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YAQUBOS:
Don’t you believe that all Christians are priests and kings?

Yes, all Catholics do, as a mater of fact. However, there is a difference between a lay priest, which I am, and a ministerial priest.

2. A member of a Western Christian church adhering to the theologies of Luther, Calvin, or Zwingli.

I am not a member of a WESTERNChurch. I don’t adhere to any human theology, but to Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior.

See my citation from the Encyclopedia. Anyways, I also do not adhere to human theology. I only listen to the Theology that was incorporated by Christ himself.

3. One of the German princes and cities that supported the doctrines of Luther and protested against the decision of the second Diet of Speyer (1529) to enforce the Edict of Worms (1521) and deny toleration to Lutherans.

I am not a German prince nor a German city.

1. protestant (also pr -t s t nt) One who makes a declaration or avowal.

Is this what you think I am???..

Many wrong things were said about true Christians all along history, so…

Again, see my encyclopedia citation. Anyone who uses the Bible to say what the Church teaches is wrong is a Protestant. The person is “Protesting.”

 

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Peace be with you!
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What else does St. Paul Timothy?

“But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it.” (2 Timothy 3:14)

From whom did you learn it, Psalm45:9?
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He then speaks of scripture, which only can refer to the Old Testament, since the New Testament did not exist yet. He does say scripture is profitable for teaching, reproof, correction, and for training in righteousness, but he does not say that it is all that we need.

Do you think we need any other thing to build our faith upon OTHER than what God says?

“So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.” (2 Thesolonians 2:15)

Word of whose mouth?

“You should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles.” (2 Peter 3:2)

“that you should remember the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken by your apostles.” ( 2 Peter 3:2 )

Who are these apostles?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!
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And Saint Paul said the Church is the pillar of Truth, truth rests in the teachings of the Church, just like Christ said it would.

And where is that Church today?

Please, don’t hesitate to give every proof you have for your answer…
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However, it is only through the Church Fathers that we know what Revelation is.

Why do you take the Church Fathers as authority in these matters? Who told you to take them as authority?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!
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Sorry. “Some Western, non-Catholic, groups are labeled as Protestant, even if the sect acknowledges no historical connection to Luther, Calvin, or the Anabaptists. These sundry groupings, i.e. Lutherans, Calvinists, Anabaptists, and other sectarians, are characterized in part by a lack of apostolic succession, in the sense that their founders are not anointed successors of St. Peter.

What was Martin Luther when he began the Reformation of the Roman WESTERN Church?
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The reason why it is labled Western, is because the Heresy of Sola Scriptura originated in the West.

What is Sola Scriptura?

Do you know about Christ’s churches in the East and in the West that believed in what God says long before Luther was born?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!
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Yes, all Catholics do, as a mater of fact. However, there is a difference between a lay priest, which I am, and a ministerial priest.

So, according to the definition you gave last time, you are protestant…
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Again, see my encyclopedia citation. Anyone who uses the Bible to say what the Church teaches is wrong is a Protestant. The person is “Protesting.”

Ok. So I am not protestant. For I believe in what the Church teaches as WORD OF GOD, and not as human vanities.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

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Pax Vobis Cvm!

YAQUBOS:

From whom did you learn it, Psalm45:9?

Jesus, who taught his Apostles, who taught the Church Fathers through the Apostles.

YAQUBOS:

Do you think we need any other thing to build our faith upon OTHER than what God says?

No and what the Bishops preach is the Word of God, I’m glad we finally agree.

YAQUBOS:

Word of whose mouth?

The Apostles, who taught the Church Fathers, who then taught future Bishops by word of mouth.

YAQUBOS:
“that you should remember the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken by your apostles.” ( 2 Peter 3:2 )

Who are these apostles?

The men that Jesus chose to preach his gospel, as the Church Fathers attest.

 

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(Countinuing solely by his grace.)

YAQUBOS:

And where is that Church today?

Please, don’t hesitate to give every proof you have for your answer…

It’s all around us. The Church is the communion of Faith. However, this faith must be founded by the Apostles, who were taught by Christ himself, in order for it to be the authentic faith that Christ taught. Like what is stated here:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm

And here:

http://www.patriarchate.org/patriarchs/patriarchs/

YAQUBOS:

Why do you take the Church Fathers as authority in these matters? Who told you to take them as authority?

St. Paul, who was taught by the Apostles, did: “Take heed to yourselves and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the Church of God which he hath purchased with his own blood.” (Acts 20:28)

YAQUBOS:

What was Martin Luther when he began the Reformation of the

RomanWESTERNChurch?
A Heretic. Of course you mean the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, as proclaimed at the Council of Nicea.

 

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YAQUBOS:

What is Sola Scriptura?

A heresy, “Sola scriptura (Latin by Scripture alone) is one of five important slogans of the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. It meant that Scripture is the Church’s only infallible rule for deciding issues of faith and practices that involve doctrines. The intention of the Reformation was to correct the Catholic Church by appeal to the uniqueness of the Bible’s authority, and to reject Christian tradition as a source of original authority alongside the Bible or in addition to the Bible.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_scriptura

YAQUBOS:

Do you know about Christ’s churches in the East and in the West that believed in what God says long before Luther was born?

“Eusebius of Caesarea

“At that time [A.D. 150] there flourished in the Church Hegesippus, whom we know from what has gone before, and Dionysius, bishop of Corinth, and another bishop, Pinytus of Crete, and besides these, Philip, and Apollinarius, and Melito, and Musanus, and Modestus, and, finally, Irenaeus. From them has come down to us in writing, the sound and orthodox faith received from tradition” (*Church History *4:21).”

catholic.com/library/Apostolic_Tradition.asp

YES!!!

 

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YAQUBOS:

So, according to the definition you gave last time, you are protestant…

I am a member of the Priesthood of all believers, a lay priest, not a ministerial priest. What Hebrews 13:15-16 is stating is an allusion to Exodus 19: “And you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel." (Exodus 19:6)

Later on Exodus 19 states: ‘And the LORD said to Moses, “Go down and warn the people, lest they break through to the LORD to gaze and many of them perish. And also let the priests who come near to the LORD consecrate themselves, lest the LORD break out upon them.” And Moses said to the LORD, "The people cannot come up to Mount Sinai; for thou thyself didst charge us, saying, `Set bounds about the mountain, and consecrate it.”” (Exodus 19:21-23)

Exodus 19:6 states that the Children of Israel are a Kingdom of Priests, but in Exodus 19:21-23, God warns Moses that not everyone can go up to the Holy Mountain only the priests can. This priesthood is not the Levitical priesthood, because that was not instituted until much later in the Book of Exodus. And So the Universal Priesthood has always existed, but the ministerial priesthood has always existed too, even before the Mosaic Law.

I am a lay priest and a member of the Universal Priesthood, but I am not a ministerial priest. Ministerial priests have been given the authority to govern the church and proclaim doctrines; I do not consider my self their equal. Protestants, on the other hand, believe that they have authority to govern themselves and determine doctrines via sola scriptura. I do not believe in the heresy of Sola Scriptura thus I am not a protestant.

YAQUBOS:

Ok. So I am not protestant. For I believe in what the Church teaches as WORD OF GOD, and not as human vanities.

I also believe that, I follow on the teachings and theology of Christ, not human vanities, therefore I cannot be a Protestant, for I am not Protesting against the Church.

 

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Peace be with you!
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No and what the Bishops preach is the Word of God, I’m glad we finally agree.

I’ll pray for you, because it seems that you like to follow illusions…

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

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Peace be with you!
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St. Paul, who was taught by the Apostles, did: “Take heed to yourselves and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the Church of God which he hath purchased with his own blood.” (Acts 20:28)

Why do you take St.Paul as Authority?
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A Heretic. Of course you mean the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, as proclaimed at the Council of Nicea.

Was Martin Luther a heretic BEFORE he began the Reformation in the Western Roman Church? Are Augustinians heretics?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

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Peace be with you!

“Eusebius of Caesarea

“At that time [A.D. 150] there flourished in the Church Hegesippus, whom we know from what has gone before, and Dionysius, bishop of Corinth, and another bishop, Pinytus of Crete, and besides these, Philip, and Apollinarius, and Melito, and Musanus, and Modestus, and, finally, Irenaeus. From them has come down to us in writing, the sound and orthodox faith received from tradition” (*Church History *4:21).”

catholic.com/library/Apostolic_Tradition.asp

YES!!!

Why do you take Eusebius as authority?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

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YAQUBOS:

Peace be with you!

I’ll pray for you, because it seems that you like to follow illusions…

In Love,
Yaqubos†An opinion. Both the Patriarchs of Rome and Constantinople can trace their teachings directly to the Apostles.

 

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YAQUBOS:

Peace be with you!

Why do you take St.Paul as Authority?

Becuase the Church Fathers took him as an authority, becuase Christ said that his Bishops had the authority, as the Church Fathers attest.

Was Martin Luther a heretic BEFORE he began the Reformation in the Western Roman Church? Are Augustinians heretics?
Augustinians are Christians! Luther was a member of the One Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, but then he was caught up in his ambitions and fell into heresy.

 

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YAQUBOS:

Peace be with you!

Why do you take Eusebius as authority?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

Because Christ gave his authority to the Bishops, as the first Bishops (the Apostles) preached to the Church Fathers. The Church Fathers attest to this.

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!
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An opinion. Both the Patriarchs of Rome and Constantinople can trace their teachings directly to the Apostles.

An opinion: all New Testament teachings are Apostolic.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

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Peace be with you!
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Augustinians are Christians! Luther was a member of the One Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, but then he was caught up in his ambitions and fell into heresy.

He was an Augustinian priest, you mean?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

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Peace be with you!
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Because Christ gave his authority to the Bishops, as the first Bishops (the Apostles) preached to the Church Fathers. The Church Fathers attest to this.

Who told you that the Christ gave His authority to the Church Fathers?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

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Pax Vobis Cvm!

YAQUBOS:

An opinion: all New Testament teachings are Apostolic.

How do you know that? Just like what St. Peter said, there are somethings that are hard to understand, which the unlearned twist.

Only the Bishops can interpret the scriptures, who were also the Church Fathers.

 

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Pax Vobis Cvm!

YAQUBOS:

He was an Augustinian priest, you mean?

Of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Then he invented the heresy of Sola Scriptura.

Anyone who believes in Sola Scriptura, follows his lead; for he invented it, and is a protestant.