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Peace be with you!
Gene C.:
Hi Yaqubos,

Glad to see that you’re still posting.
Me too. I am glad to read you again, because you didn’t reply to my last replies in the thread about your conversion from Christianism to Christianism…
Gene C.:
I would like to ask you two questions without posting what you originally said because I don’t have the time to go back and look for them.

1 - Who told you that divine revelation has ended?
2 - Who told you that Montanism is a heresy?
The Word of God that people are attacking in this thread.
Gene C.:
I do believe that Montanism is a heresy and that divine revelation has ended as far as Sacred Scripture is concerned. I just want to know who told you that it is a heresy. Are you able to answer these questions without asking me any questions first? I would very much appreciate hearing your answer.

Grace and peace to you,
Gene C.
Well, as this topic is about the Authority of the Bible, so I think it’s enough to tell you that the Word of God teaches me this. Now those who are attacking the Authority of the Bible need to provide some proofs that the Montanism is a heresy and that the Revelation has ended.

In Love,
Yaqubos†
 
Peace be with you!
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RBushlow:
Peace be with you.

Everyone,
Please be aware that Yaqubos will attempt to sidestep any questions because he has does not have the answers to our questions. I have attempted to have a coherent dialog with him before, but have not be able to get one single answer from him.

Let us go now to love and serve the Lord.
That’s where you get, my friend. You ask a question about the Authority of the Bible, and then you ask for answers from that Bible!!! And if I respect your doubts about the Authority of the Bible and I try to prove first the Authority of the Bible as Word of God, you say I don’t have answers!

Yes, I don’t have answers to Christians who don’t want to listen to the ONLY Person who has the answers: the LORD.

In Love,
Yaqubos†
 
Peace be with you!

Luke1:48 said:

Thank you for what you are showing here. You made a search for my posts here… It seems that you are interested in what the Lord wants to tell you, as you see the strong hand of the Spirit working through these replies.

But I would like to ask you not to lie. Because by referring just to replies in which I am asking some questions, you make people think that I am just asking questions in these forums which is not the case.

The Lord bless you.

In Love,
Yaqubos†
 
Peace be with you!
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Philthy:
You seem to ask many questions and only rarely issue statements and I am beginning to see why. Please see your statement bolded above. I disagree with it. Would it be faith if it was “built” on what “God said” through a human? You seem to be assuming that God CANNOT speak through humans. Where did you get this idea?

As an aside, I’ve read this entire thread today for the first time and you have not coherently articulated a single point. Why don’t you try and answer a few questions that you are asked and also CORRECT any erroneous statements that others make by identifying the error contained in their comments and STATING the truth as you know it. This is commonly known as exchanging ideas. Exchanging questions is silly.

Loving you in my imperfect way -

Philthy
Dear friend, I don’t have any answers out of the Word of God. When the Lord speaks, all must listen and stop arguing.

But as our friends here are arguing about the Word of God, so I am just showing them how their thinking is CIRCULAR by asking questions.

This is not the case with my replies in other topics, where you find strong arguments from the Word of God.

In Love,
Yaqubos†
 
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YAQUBOS:
Peace be with you!

It is not me who must give a passage. You said that the Revelation has ended, and you said that you were wrong when you said that the Revelation didn’t end. So you need to prove what you claim.

Don’t forget that this thread is questioning the Authority of the Bible.

In Love,
Yaqubos†
**"God has said everything in his Word **

65 “In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son.”[26] Christ, the Son of God made man, is the Father’s one, perfect and unsurpassable Word. In him he has said everything; there will be no other word than this one. St. John of the Cross, among others, commented strikingly on Hebrews 1:1-2:

In giving us his Son, his only Word (for he possesses no other), he spoke everything to us at once in this sole Word - and he has no more to say. . . because what he spoke before to the prophets in parts, he has now spoken all at once by giving us the All Who is His Son. Any person questioning God or desiring some vision or revelation would be guilty not only of foolish behaviour but also of offending him, by not fixing his eyes entirely upon Christ and by living with the desire for some other novelty.[27] **There will be no further Revelation **

66 “The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ.”[28] Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.

67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfilment, as is the case in certain nonChristian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”. **IN BRIEF **

68 By love, God has revealed himself and given himself to man. He has thus provided the definitive, superabundant answer to the questions that man asks himself about the meaning and purpose of his life.

69 God has revealed himself to man by gradually communicating his own mystery in deeds and in words.

70 Beyond the witness to himself that God gives in created things, he manifested himself to our first parents, spoke to them and, after the fall, promised them salvation (cf. Gen 3:15) and offered them his covenant.

71 God made an everlasting covenant with Noah and with all living beings (cf. Gen 9:16). It will remain in force as long as the world lasts.

72 God chose Abraham and made a covenant with him and his descendants. By the covenant God formed his people and revealed his law to them through Moses. Through the prophets, he prepared them to accept the salvation destined for all humanity.

73 God has revealed himself fully by sending his own Son, in whom he has established his covenant for ever. The Son is his Father’s definitive Word; so there will be no further Revelation after him." (CCC Part 1, Section 1, 65-73)

Thus says the Word of God.

I know that what I said was wrong, because I looked it up in the Cathecism. The terminonlgy got to me, can you now provide a scripture passage?** **
 
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YAQUBOS:
Peace be with you!

It is not me who must give a passage. You said that the Revelation has ended, and you said that you were wrong when you said that the Revelation didn’t end. So you need to prove what you claim.

Don’t forget that this thread is questioning the Authority of the Bible.

In Love,
Yaqubos†
Why don’t you just answer a question for once?
 
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YAQUBOS:
Peace be with you!

Thank you for what you are showing here. You made a search for my posts here… It seems that you are interested in what the Lord wants to tell you, as you see the strong hand of the Spirit working through these replies.

But I would like to ask you not to lie. Because by referring just to replies in which I am asking some questions, you make people think that I am just asking questions in these forums which is not the case.

The Lord bless you.

In Love,
Yaqubos†
Given how you just ask questions and don’t answer ours, it most certainly sounds right.
 
Peace be with you!

Am I really understanding what this topic is about?

Just tell me: Do you all believe the Bible is the Word of God?
And: Is human will that makes the Bible Word of God?

In Love,
Yaqubos†
 
Pax Vobiscm!

Since it’s morning over here, I’m saying good morning to you!
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YAQUBOS:
Peace be with you!

Am I really understanding what this topic is about?

Just tell me: Do you all believe the Bible is the Word of God?
Yes, all Catholics and Orthodox Christians believe the Bible is the Written Word of God, and it is an authority. However, we do not believe it is the only Authority, we also believe that the Oral Word of God is an authority.
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YAQUBOS:
And: Is human will that makes the Bible Word of God?
This question is a little confusing to me. So I will try my best. The Holy Spirit essentially created the Written Word of God, through Human Will. It is the Holy Spirit that lead the Oral Word (the church fathers) to find the written word, that was lost in the shuffle of Heretical Gnostic Texts.
 
Peace be with you!
Psalm45:9:
Yes, all Catholics and Orthodox Christians believe the Bible is the Written Word of God, and it is an authority. However, we do not believe it is the only Authority, we also believe that the Oral Word of God is an authority.
Ok. So this topic has no purpose.

All what you want to say is that you are sure that what humans are telling you is right, even if it contradicts the Scripture. Ok then.

As you believe in the Bible as Word of God, so you will not argue about the Authority of the Scripture. Then I can now quote the Scripture as AUTHORITY, even if you don’t think it’s the SOLE Authority.

We just have to study the following:

“Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us,
just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word,
it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, **to write it out ** for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus;
**so that you may know the exact truth ** about the things you have been taught.” ( Luke 1:1-4 )

In the light of these divine words, we see that the written Word of God is the rule by which we test if what we hear of humans is true.

According to this passage, Luke is not telling us to study the written Word in the light of our tradition, but to study our tradition in the light of the written Word.

If a tradition is not in accordance with the written Word, then we must not believe it.

In Love,
Yaqubos†
 
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YAQUBOS:
Peace be with you!

ONLY God explaining His Word is a divine Truth.

Can you please explain on what logic you build this?

There is no agreement between many Christian denominations today. Does this mean that the Church is not a truth?

Was there Word of God before the Roman Church existed? Were there people who believed the Word of God BEFORE that Church existed?

In Love,
Yaqubos†
Yaq…
If all 33,830 PLUS non- Catholic denominations that allege that they all believe the Bible are all guided by the Holy Spirit, then just how is it that they do not agree on all points of interpretation on the same passages of scripture? For all their protestations they really agree on very little…and EVERY time they disagree, they create a new church denomination …even when it’s a “Non-denominational” denomination… (Oxymoron?) :confused:

Your posts are like a bout with a Zen Buddhist who answers every questions with another question…and very little information. make your point concisely and (God willing) w/ some brevity so we can get on w/ this thread. Lead, follow, or get outta the way…LOL
 
By the way…Catholic Tradition doesn’t contradict scripture (if you think so then show us how & where…)
 
Peace be with you!
Church Militant:
By the way…Catholic Tradition doesn’t contradict scripture (if you think so then show us how & where…)
NO! Of course not! Christian tradition doesn’t contradict the Scripture, because it is based on the Word of God, and it is always in accordance with the written Word of God.

But there are many human traditions ( example: many traditions of the Roman Church ) that contradict the Scripture. I don’t need to talk about all of them here, because I am talking about them in the topics related to each of them.

In Love,
Yaqubos†
 
Pax Vobiscvm!
Behold, the Apostolic Tradition of the Church:

‘“All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.’ (2 Timothy 3:16)

But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.” (John 21:25)

“First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” (2 Peter 20-21)

“That you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles… So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.” (2 Peter 3:2, 15-16)

‘“Do you understand what you are reading?" And he said, "How can I, unless some one guides me… Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this scripture he** told him the good news of Jesus**.’ (Acts 8:30-31, 35)

“Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things which have been accomplished among us, just as they were delivered to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent The-oph’ilus, that you may know the truth concerning the things of which you have been informed.” (Luke 1:1-4)

“So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.” (2 Thesolonians 2:15)

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you**, **whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (Matthew 18:15-18)

“I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.” (Matthew 16:18)

“If I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.” (1 Timothy 3:15)
 
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YAQUBOS:
But there are many human traditions ( example: many traditions of the Roman Church ) that contradict the Scripture. I don’t need to talk about all of them here, because I am talking about them in the topics related to each of them.
Pax Vobiscvm!

Then we must assume that this is merely an opinion, Apostolic Tradition does not contradict scripture.
 
Peace be with you!
Psalm45:9:
Pax Vobiscvm!

Then we must assume that this is merely an opinion, Apostolic Tradition does not contradict scripture.
Yes, of course! APOSTOLIC tradition doesn’t contradict the Scripture.

So among all what you hear as tradition, how can you know which is APOSTOLIC and which is not?

According to Luke, we must know which is APOSTOLIC by returning to the WRITTEN Word of God.

In Love,
Yaqubos†
 
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YAQUBOS:
Peace be with you!

Yes, of course! APOSTOLIC tradition doesn’t contradict the Scripture.

So among all what you hear as tradition, how can you know which is APOSTOLIC and which is not?

According to Luke, we must know which is APOSTOLIC by returning to the WRITTEN Word of God.

In Love,
Yaqubos†
“Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things which have been accomplished among us, just as they were delivered to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent The-oph’ilus, that you may know the truth concerning the things of which you have been informed." (Luke 1:1-4)

As stated in the Bolded part. St. Luke complied his work based on Apostolic Tradition, St. Luke was not an early disciple of Christ, like the Apostles were. As Christ stated, whatever the Bishops bind, shall be bound. I don’t see any contradictions. But I do see denominations who contradict each other.
 
Peace be with you!

Psalm45:9 said:
“Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things which have been accomplished among us, just as they were delivered to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent The-oph’ilus, that you may know the truth concerning the things of which you have been informed." (Luke 1:1-4)

As stated in the Bolded part. St. Luke complied his work based on Apostolic Tradition, St. Luke was not an early disciple of Christ, like the Apostles were. As Christ stated, whatever the Bishops bind, shall be bound. I don’t see any contradictions. But I do see denominations who contradict each other.

So go now and write a Scripture according to the traditions you have… 🙂 We return to the same problem we were discussing before…

I just want you to concentrate on Luke 1:1-4 to see how and why Luke wrote what he wrote:

“Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us,
just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word,
it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus;
so that you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught.”

It is right that the eyewitnesses handed down those things, but Luke investigated everything CAREFULLY from the beginning, and the Holy Spirit led him to WRITE IT OUT FOR US, so that we may know which of what was handed down to us is the truth.

In Love,
Yaqubos†
 
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YAQUBOS:
Peace be with you!

So go now and write a Scripture according to the traditions you have… 🙂 We return to the same problem we were discussing before…

I just want you to concentrate on Luke 1:1-4 to see how and why Luke wrote what he wrote:

“Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us,
just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word,
it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus;
so that you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught.”

It is right that the eyewitnesses handed down those things, but Luke investigated everything CAREFULLY from the beginning, and the Holy Spirit led him to WRITE IT OUT FOR US, so that we may know which of what was handed down to us is the truth.

In Love,
Yaqubos†
St. Luke wrote down what he was told by the apostles. He did not read anything. And it was only the Holy Spirit working through the Church Fathers that allowed us to know that St. Luke’s Gospel is indeed scripture. If the Holy Spirit led St. Luke to know that what the Apostles (the bishops) were preaching was the truth, I don’t see why it can’t tell us today that what the Bishops preach is also the truth.
 
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