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[Psalm45_9]

Pax Vobis Cvm!

YAQUBOS:

As we can see, the Holy Scripture gives us the clear “list” of the Holy Spirit. God has given us the clear definition of what is the Word of God.

he List of the Holy Spirit declared by the authority that scripture attests:

Council of Rome

“Now indeed we must treat of the divine scriptures, what the universal Catholic Church accepts and what she ought to shun. The order of the Old Testament begins here: Genesis, one book; Exodus, one book; Leviticus, one book; Numbers, one book; Deuteronomy, one book; Joshua [Son of] Nave, one book; Judges, one book; Ruth, one book; Kings, four books [that is, 1 and 2 Samuel and 1 and 2 Kings]; Paralipomenon [Chronicles], two books; Psalms, one book; Solomon, three books: Proverbs, one book, Ecclesiastes, one book, [and] Canticle of Canticles [Song of Songs], one book; likewise Wisdom, one book; Ecclesiasticus [Sirach], one book . . . . Likewise the order of the historical [books]: Job, one book; Tobit, one book; Esdras, two books [Ezra and Nehemiah]; Esther, one book; Judith, one book; Maccabees, two books” (Decree of Pope Damasus [A.D. 382]).

YAQUBOS:

And Psalm45:9, who was asking all the time for that “list” of the Spirit in the Scripture, is now trying to prove that the human writings can meet that DIVINE CANON!!!

I have answered your objections.

YAQUBOS:

So, once for all, we have proved that the Standard is not in humans ( Jews or the Church ), but in God’s Word.

But who determined what belongs in the Bible, the Holy Spirit working in one person, or many? If it is many, then that is the ecclesial body, aka the Church! If not, then I have to conclude that the Bible just appeared one day out of nowhere. Just like the claim the Joseph Smith made about the Book of Mormon.

YAQUBOS:

And, dear Psalm45:9, the texts you are quoting from those human writings are not texts without context! They are part of those books that we have proved as NOT MAKING PART OF THE WORD OF GOD, because:

1. They are not written by a prophet, for prophets CEASED in Israel long BEFORE they were written. And this is proved by those human writings themselves! As I have written by His Grace.

You mean Divine Revlation ceased before the coming of Christ? If God the Father was not speaking directly to people, does that mean God the Holy Spirit was not? I suppose the authors of the Psalms knew that their psalms were prophecies.

YAQUBOS:

1. They are not confirmed by an act of God. An act of God is demanded when there is someone claiming to be a prophet. While these human writings don’t claim to be written by a prophet of God, as we have proved.

Esther never claimed to be a Prophetess. The Wisdom of Solomon makes a clear prophecy, why else would the Palestinian Jews reject this book?

YAQUBOS:

1. They don’t tell the truth about God. They may have true parts: the Qur’an also has true parts. But they have other parts that are seriously contradicting the Word of God, as we saw in what I previously wrote by His Grace.

I don’t see any contradictions. I see denominations that contradict each other. Anyways, what you write demonstrates the importance of the Church Hierarchy maintaining the truth and determining what is not the truth.

 

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Continuing solely by his grace!

YAQUBOS:

1. They don’t have the power of God, as those books themselves say.
   N.B.: some parts might seem powerful for those who don’t know what is the power of God, just like the Muslims are finding a very powerful thing in the Qur’an… But those books are clearly saying that they are written by human power.

The same could be said about the Protocanonicals of the Old Testament, which the Church protected from the Gnostics, who would have liked to see them get burned.

YAQUBOS:

1. Those human writings are part of the Old Testament. The people in the Old Testament didn’t accept those books as Word of God.

The Alexandrian Jews did, the Ethiopian Jews still do today but why are you relying on human authorities? The Palestinian Jews reject the New Testament.

YAQUBOS:

And by the way: These five questions are ALL DIVINE STANDARDS from THE SCRIPTURE. So don’t try to prove that some books meet ONE of those Standards. They have to meet them ALL.

That also applies to the protocanoicals.

Esther was not written by a prophet, God is not even mentioned in it. O wait one minute, he is in the Catholic and Orthodox version

 

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YAQUBOS:

Peace be with you!

How do you know that? For there are difficult parts in the writings of the Church Fathers. Who can explain that?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

The ones who have Authority given by God to do so.The Magestarium the Bishops whose line goes back to the apostles.God Bless

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

As we can see clearly, after seeing the clear DIVINE CANON, Psalm45:9 doesn’t want to take advice from the prophet of God:

“Listen and give heed, do not be haughty, For the LORD has spoken.” ( Jeremiah 13:15 ).

And he also answers without understanding what I mean. For instance:

YAQUBOS:

And our Lord Jesus Christ didn’t even say a word to them about this!

I meant that the Lord didn’t blame the Jews for not accepting those human writings as Scripture. But Psalm45:9, who is answering what he supposes to be a protestant , answered about quoting… saying:
Psalm45:9:

And our Lord Jesus Christ never quoted: The Song of Songs, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Obadiah, Zephaniah, Judges, 1 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Lamentations and Nahum.

I am not talking about quoting, my friend…

So we see how Psalm45:9 is trying to say that those human writings are Scripture although they do NOT meet the 5 questions of the DIVINE CANON…

We cannot oblige someone to be obedient, can we?..

Read again the posts **# **242 to 247 in this thread, and you will see that the DIVINE CANON is clear.

The CHALLENGE: bring any words or books that can meet ALL those DIVINE standards, and we will declare them as WORD OF GOD.

Blessed be our Lord!

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[Psalm45_9]

Pax Vobis Cvm!

YAQUBOS:

As we can see clearly, after seeing the clear DIVINE CANON,

(1955 Jewish encyclopedia)" the quotations from the Old Testament found in the new, are mainly taken from the Septuagint to; and even when Citation is indirect the inference of the Septuagint version is clearly seen"(volume 3, p. 186)

(Zondervan Compact Bible Dictionary, 1993 Pg. 536)“The early Church, built largely on converts from the synagogues of the Greek speaking world, took over the LXX as their Bible”

(Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 6, p. 1147)"There are approximately 350 quotations in the New Testament of the Old Testament. Of these 350 quotations 300 come from the Greek Septuagint. It was the Old Testament Bible of the first century Christians. Jesus quoted from it. The Septuagint included the Deutero Canonical books which Protestants call the "Apocrypha."The Jews in Ethiopia to this day still follow the same identical canon which is found in the Catholic Old Testament which includes these seven Deutero Canonical books "(cf. Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 6, p. 1147).

The Alexandrian Jews accepted them and the Ethiopian Jews still do today.

(The 1955 Jewish encyclopedia )says" the appearance of the septuagint(which the Jews of the Christian centuries rejected) was greeted enthusiasm everywhere; but with the rise of the Christian sect, and its adoption of the version of the Bible, the Jews began to denounce it vehemently, accusing the Christians of falsifying the Greek texts a year and their"(p. 593)

(Encyclopedic Dictionary of the Bible 1963 ) “Even in the second century of the Christian era the Jewish rabbis were not fully agreed on the Canonicity of certain books (e.g. Cant, Eccl; cfr. Also 4, Esd 14,44ff).”

(The Encyclopedia of Judaism, vol 15 page 117)" says that the limit of the third part (Writings) was not finalized until mid of second century. In addition, the Hebrew Canon was also not accepted by Ethiopian Jews who accept Septuagint to this day "

(Dictionary of Biblical Literacy 1986. p.321)“Precisely when Jewish leadership officially adopted the traditional 39 books of the so-called “Hebrew Canon” is not known; nor is there agreement as to exactly what criteria were used in determining the Canon.”

The Canon was not formally defined at the time of Christ.

 

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Continuing solely by his grace!

YAQUBOS:

Psalm45:9 doesn’t want to take advice from the prophet of God:

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (Matthew 18:15-18)

“Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” (Acts 20:28)

“He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.” (Luke 11:16)

The Holy Spirit that chose its’ bishops bound this:

Council of Rome

“Now indeed we must treat of the divine scriptures, what the universal Catholic Church accepts and what she ought to shun. The order of the Old Testament begins here: Genesis, one book; Exodus, one book; Leviticus, one book; Numbers, one book; Deuteronomy, one book; Joshua [Son of] Nave, one book; Judges, one book; Ruth, one book; Kings, four books [that is, 1 and 2 Samuel and 1 and 2 Kings]; Paralipomenon [Chronicles], two books; Psalms, one book; Solomon, three books: Proverbs, one book, Ecclesiastes, one book, [and] Canticle of Canticles [Song of Songs], one book; likewise Wisdom, one book; Ecclesiasticus [Sirach], one book . . . . Likewise the order of the historical [books]: Job, one book; Tobit, one book; Esdras, two books [Ezra and Nehemiah]; Esther, one book; Judith, one book; Maccabees, two books” (Decree of Pope Damasus [A.D. 382]).

“Listen and give heed, do not be haughty, For the LORD has spoken.” ( Jeremiah 13:15 ).

I am!

 

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Continuing solely by his grace!

YAQUBOS:

I meant that the Lord didn’t blame the Jews for not accepting those human writings as Scripture. But Psalm45:9, who is answering what he supposes to be a protestant , answered about quoting… saying:

The Lord also told his disciples to follow the Chair or Moses, where is that in the Old Testament?

YAQUBOS:

So we see how Psalm45:9 is trying to say that those human writings are Scripture although they do NOT meet the 5 questions of the DIVINE CANON…

They do, but every one of the Protocanonicals must also meet all 5 of the questions. The Deuterocanoicals were written by the Holy Spirit, their prophecies were fulfilled with the coming of Jesus Christ. They are full of the power of God, they tell the truth about God (The Mother and the 7 Sons in 2 Maccabees died in faith of the resurrection), they are full of the power of God, and the people of God aka the Church accepted it.

Esther does not meet the first two questions of the DIVINE CANON; it must be tossed.

YAQUBOS:

We cannot oblige someone to be obedient, can we?..

“Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.” (2 Peter 2:20-21)

Who are the holy men of God inspired by the Holy Ghost?

“Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” (Acts 20:28)

What you say is true.

YAQUBOS:

Read again the posts # 242 to 247 in this thread, and you will see that the DIVINE CANON is clear.

I did, I’m still not seeing why they are not scripture, and they meet the “requirements.” Esther doesn’t though.

YAQUBOS:

The CHALLENGE: bring any words or books that can meet ALL those DIVINE standards, and we will declare them as WORD OF GOD.

I have! Esther does not meet them!

YAQUBOS:

Blessed be our Lord!

Benedictvs Devs Israhel!

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

Psalm45:9 doesn’t know that the Septuagint was not in one volume…

Psalm45:9, the DIVINE CANON is in the posts # 242 to 247. Read it again.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[Psalm45_9]

Pax Vobis Cvm!

YAQUBOS:

Psalm45:9 doesn’t know that the Septuagint was not in one volume…

No, I did do that, it just demonstrates that the early Christians did not rely on the Palestinian Jews who rejected LXX that supported things like the Virgin Birth. Anyways:
(Encyclopedic Dictionary of the Bible 1963 ) “Even in the second century of the Christian era the Jewish rabbis were not fully agreed on the Canonicity of certain books (e.g. Cant, Eccl; cfr. Also 4, Esd 14,44ff).”

(The Encyclopedia of Judaism, vol 15 page 117)" says that the limit of the third part (Writings) was not finalized until mid of second century. In addition, the Hebrew Canon was also not accepted by Ethiopian Jews who accept Septuagint to this day "
(Dictionary of Biblical Literacy 1986. p.321)“Precisely when Jewish leadership officially adopted the traditional 39 books of the so-called “Hebrew Canon” is not known; nor is there agreement as to exactly what criteria were used in determining the Canon.”

YAQUBOS:

Psalm45:9, the DIVINE CANON is in the posts # 242 to 247. Read it again

OK, if you insist:

YAQUBOS:

1. Were they written by a prophet of God?
   No, they are not written by a prophet of God, as we read in those books themselves!

Nehemiah, Ruth, 1 and 2 Chronicles, and Esther has never been deemed prophetic. There are no prophecies in them, nor did prophets write them. Ecclesiastes has no prophecies and does not make a claim that it was written by a prophet. 1 & 2 Chronicles, 1 & 2 Kings, and Joshua do not say a prophet of God wrote them. There are no prophecies whatsoever in Esther and our Lord and the New Testament writers never made a reference to this book.

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” ( 1 Maccabees 9:27 )

I do not see where this passage states where all divine inspiration ceased. Actually it was durring this time that God performed the oil miracle at the Temple that Jews (including Jesus) observe as Hanukah. Now let’s look at the verse 26:

“They sought and searched for the friends of Judas, and brought them to Bacchides, and he took vengeance on them and made sport of them.” (1 Maccabees 9:26) Let’s now look at another passage: “And the Jews and their priests decided that Simon should be their leader and high priest for ever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise.” (1 Maccabees 14:41)

1 Maccabees 9:26 shows the search for the Israeli leaders. 1 Maccabees 14:41 uses the term “Leader” why? Because in order for there to be a legitimate King, he must be anointed by a prophet. The throne was empty until Jesus was anointed by the prophet, St. John the Baptist. Thus 1 Maccabees 9:27 shows that there could be no King until a prophet arises to anoint him, 1 Maccabees 9:27 only points to Jesus.

YAQUBOS:

If the prophets ceased to appear in Israel long before these lines were written, then who wrote these lines??? Of course, NOT a prophet of God!

Just because there wasn’t a prophet, does not mean that all Divine Inspiration ceased

 

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Continuing solely by his grace!

2. Was that prophet who wrote them confirmed by an act of God?
As we saw in 1 Maccabees 9:27 ( one of those false human teachings ), prophets ceased in Israel since a long time! So those books say they are not written by a prophet! So why do we have to search for miracles confirming them??!! They clearly say they are NOT prophets! So we don’t need to test them if they are prophets or not.

1 Maccabees 9:27 was answered above. Lets think about this, the only book in the New Testament the was confirmned by an act of God, is the Book of Revelation; where Christ told St. John to write down his visions (Revelation 1:11) Not all of the Books in the Old Testament was written by a confirmed acts of God. Anyways:

“I will not conceal anything from you. I have said, `It is good to guard the secret of a king, but gloriously to reveal the works of God.’ And so, when you and your daughter-in-law Sarah prayed, I brought a reminder of your prayer before the Holy One; and when you buried the dead, I was likewise present with you. When you did not hesitate to rise and leave your dinner in order to go and lay out the dead, your good deed was not hidden from me, but I was with you. So now God sent me to heal you and your daughter-in-law Sarah. I am Raphael, one of the seven holy angels who present the prayers of the saints and enter into the presence of the glory of the Holy One.” (Tobit 12:11-15)

Tobit is confirmed by the Angel (who is God’s instrument), tells Tobit that God is with him; there is more:

“They were both alarmed; and they fell upon their faces, for they were afraid. But he said to them, “Do not be afraid; you will be safe. But praise God for ever. For I did not come as a favor on my part, but by the will of our God. Therefore praise him for ever. All these days I merely appeared to you and did not eat or drink, but you were seeing a vision.And now give thanks to God, for I am ascending to him who sent me. Write in a book everything that has happened.” Then they stood up; but they saw him no more. So they confessed the great and wonderful works of God, and acknowledged that the angel of the Lord had appeared to them.” (Tobit 12:16-22)

Just like Moses and many of the Prophets, Tobit and his son were filled with fear when they were also confirmed. Not only was he told to give divine witness for his mission, but Tobit was also commanded to write what has happened in a book.

3. Does it tell the truth about God?
As we saw in Tobit 12:9, and 2 Maccabees 12:45-46, these books not only do not give us the truth of God, but they also give us many imaginary things… Just read “Bel and the Dragon” and you will see…

As stated before where is the seat of Moses that Christ commands his disciples to follow stated in the Old Testament? The Book of Tobit demonstrates that God comes to the aid of his faithful ones. 2 Maccabees shows the Mother and the 7 sons dieing in their faith of the resurrection, which is proved and promised by Christ. Both books tell the truth.

 

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Continuing solely by his grace!

YAQUBOS:

1. Does it have the power of God?
   No!

Yes!

“But when he arrived at the treasury with his bodyguard, then and there the Sovereign of spirits and of all authority caused so great a manifestation that all who had been so bold as to accompany him were astounded by the power of God, and became faint with terror. For there appeared to them a magnificently caparisoned horse, with a rider of frightening mien, and it rushed furiously at Heliodorus and struck at him with its front hoofs. Its rider was seen to have armor and weapons of gold. Two young men also appeared to him, remarkably strong, gloriously beautiful and splendidly dressed, who stood on each side of him and scourged him continuously, inflicting many blows on him. When he suddenly fell to the ground and deep darkness came over him, his men took him up and put him on a stretcher and carried him away, this man who had just entered the aforesaid treasury with a great retinue and all his bodyguard but was now unable to help himself; and they recognized clearly the sovereign power of God. While he lay prostrate, speechless because of the divine intervention and deprived of any hope of recovery, they praised the Lord who had acted marvelously for his own place. And the temple, which a little while before was full of fear and disturbance, was filled with joy and gladness, now that the Almighty Lord had appeared. Quickly some of Heliodorus’ friends asked Onias to call upon the Most High and to grant life to one who was lying quite at his last breath. And the high priest, fearing that the king might get the notion that some foul play had been perpetrated by the Jews with regard to Heliodorus, offered sacrifice for the man’s recovery. While the high priest was making the offering of atonement, the same young men appeared again to Heliodorus dressed in the same clothing, and they stood and said, “Be very grateful to Onias the high priest, since for his sake the Lord has granted you your life. And see that you, who have been scourged by heaven, report to all men the majestic power of God.” Having said this they vanished.” (2 Maccabees 3:24-34)

YAQUBOS:

It even says that it is not sure that it has a strong human power… Just read the following conclusion of the human author of 2 Maccabees:

“So I too will here end my story.
If it is well told and to the point, that is what I myself desired; if it is poorly done and mediocre, that was the best I could do.”

2 Maccabees 15:39-40 does not in any way regard the truth of the narration. What it regards is the style and manner the book was written in. There is no denial of inspiration whatsoever, it is merely a statement by the author that he is not as polished with the information as Jason of Cyrene was. Read this: “Even if I am unskilled in speaking, I am not in knowledge; in every way we have made this plain to you in all things.” (2 Corinthians 11:6) St. Paul makes a similar comment about himself.

 

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Continuing solely by his grace!

YAQUBOS:

1. Was it accepted by the People of God?
   No!

Yes!

(Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 6, p. 1147)"There are approximately 350 quotations in the New Testament of the Old Testament. Of these 350 quotations 300 come from the Greek Septuagint. It was the Old Testament Bible of the first century Christians. Jesus quoted from it. The Septuagint included the Deutero Canonical books which Protestants call the "Apocrypha."The Jews in Ethiopia to this day still follow the same identical canon which is found in the Catholic Old Testament which includes these seven Deutero Canonical books "(cf. Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 6, p. 1147).
People under the Old Covenant still accept them.

YAQUBOS:

There is a big misunderstanding among many Christians about the Canon of the Scripture. They think some humans (the Jews for the Old Testament, and the Church for the New Testament ) DECIDED what is Word of God and what is not. And this is totally wrong.

YAQUBOS:

And many Jews deny that Jesus is the Christ! Must we believe that also? ( I say this SUPPOSING that what you say about the Jews is true )

Why do you insist on human authorities?

AMEN!

The deuterocanoicals pass! According to question one and two, Esther does not belong in the Bible.

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

Dear Psalm45:9, I have a brotherly advice for you. Just stop your dishonesty and your hypocrisy. There is moral hypocrisy and doctrinal hypocrisy. The Pharisees had them both… What about you? Do you just have the doctrinal hypocrisy?…

It’s very dishonest to test someone and to try to take words from his mouth to use them afterwards in a very wrong way and out of context. The Pharisees used to do that with our Lord, and the Lord called them HYPOCRITES! Just ask yourself: would Jesus do this?

You first asked for the “list” of the Spirit. You insisted on that and you wanted an answer. When I gave you the Lord’s answer, you began to doubt about what God says. Psalm45:9, before you begin your discussion against the children of God, you must be sure you are accepting what God says. Did you accept the DIVINE CANON? After you received the “list” of the Spirit, you began to throw your doubt on it! What will happen if I show you how vain are your human oppositions to the clear DIVINE CANON? Won’t you try again to make opposition??

My friend, you don’t need to be hypocrite in order to defend those Roman philosophies. They don’t deserve the cost. If you just accept what God is saying, you will be SINCERE in Him.

You have to choose, my friend. Do you accept the DIVINE CANON? Are you ready to deny every human book that doesn’t meet the DIVINE CANON?

You are writing many things, thus showing that your interest is not in explaining to me, but in proving to yourself and to others that you have “answers”… If you want the glory of men, you can’t believe, as our Lord said. If you want to explain to me, you must first understand what I am telling you.

By the Grace of the Lord, I will have the patience to explain everything to you step by step. But:

Are you convinced that we must not receive as DIVINE WORD all the words that do not meet the DIVINE CANON?

And before writing anything, ask yourself: what would Jesus do if He were in my place?

To be continued, if the Lord wills.

In Love,

Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

Lord, bless this study. Amen!

YAQUBOS:

What is the Word of God?

Psalm45:9:

God’s Revelation to humanity, which is the Bible and Apostolic Tradition

Why not the Jewish Tradition also? Did Moses and the prophets write everything??? So is there not a Jewish Tradition?

YAQUBOS:

They think some humans ( the Jews for the Old Testament, and the Church for the New Testament ) DECIDED what is Word of God and what is not. And this is totally wrong.

Psalm45:9:

AMEN!

Although:
Psalm45:9:

The infallible church has determined that.

Psalm45:9, you have to explain to me what is the difference between determining and deciding what is the Word of God.

YAQUBOS:

The faithful people of God just DECLARED what God has REVEALED as Word of God.

Psalm45:9:

AMEN!

Aha! So by “determined” you mean “declared”, right? So God told the Church what is His Word, and the Church just declared it, right?

If right, then please tell me how did God tell the Church what is His Word. Is it not by the DIVINE CANON that I wrote in the posts # 242 - 247 in this thread? If yes, then all what we declare as Word of God must meet that DIVINE STANDARD.

To be continued, if the Lord wills.
In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

Continuing by His Grace.

YAQUBOS:

For instance, the Church never doubted any Book of the Scripture as not being part of the Word of God. SOME believers ( even “Fathers” of the Church ) doubted SOME of the New Testament Books. But these SOME don’t make the WHOLEChurch of Christ.

Psalm45:9:

Well now, if there are some who disagree, then that does not equal the whole Church of Christ. The Church Majority agreed on the Canon is the more correct term. Some people did doubt the authenticity of some of the canonical books, which is why the Holy Spirit in the Church determined what is scripture, through various councils.

You are talking about those who disagreed as if we are talking about the time BEFORE accepting those Books as Scripture. But the fact is that all those Books were already ACCEPTED by the Church as Word of God, and some Christians just doubted what was ALREADY accepted. So this makes: the whole Church accepted those Books, and some just doubted.

And this is what you confirm when you say AMEN to the following:

YAQUBOS:

And when the Church declared which Books are Word of God, they had not a choice between thousands of books among which they had to pick out those that are the Word of God. They ALREADY knew what God had revealed as Word of God, and they studied those inspired Books to find the rules ( Canon ) by which they could clearly show that all heretical and wrong books didn’t meet those rules or standards.

Psalm45:9:

AMEN!

YAQUBOS:

Now, every book or word that doesn’t meet those BIBLICAL Standards, is NOT THE WORD OF GOD.

Psalm45:9:

AMEN!

That’s a beautiful AMEN! This shows that you accept the DIVINE CANON. Now let’s see which books meet that STANDARD.

YAQUBOS:

What are the standards according to which the faithful children of God ( the Church ) accept and reject books as canonical?

Psalm45:9:

The Holy Spirit telling the Church Hierarchy that a writing or a preacher is heretical.

As you say AMEN when we said that the SWORD of the Spirit ( the Word of God ) gives the Church the DIVINE STANDARDS, so we conclude that the Holy Spirit tells the Church by those standards that we have read in the Word of God.

To be continued, if the Lord wills.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

Continuing by His Grace.

YAQUBOS:

I will take the example of the human writings written between the third century B.C. and the first century A.D. These books are called by some as Deuterocanonical and by others as Apocrypha. These books were never accepted by the Jews as Scripture

Psalm45:9:

(Encyclopedic Dictionary of the Bible 1963 ) “Even in the second century of the Christian era the Jewish rabbis were not fully agreed on the Canonicity of certan books (e.g. Cant, Eccl; cfr. Also 4, Esd 14,44ff).”

(The Encyclopedia of Judaism, vol 15 page 117)" says that the limit of the third part (Writings) was not finalized until mid of second century. In addition, the Hebrew Canon was also not accepted by Ethiopian Jews who accept Septuagint to this day "

(Dictionary of Biblical Literacy 1986. p.321)“Precisely when Jewish leadership officially adopted the traditional 39 books of the so-called “Hebrew Canon” is not known; nor is there agreement as to exactly what criteria were used in determining the Canon.”

The Ethiopian Jews still consider them to be scripture.

Didn’t you say AMEN to the following:

YAQUBOS:

1. Was it accepted by the People of God?
   Why this question? Because:

“For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.” ( 1 Thessalonians 2:13 )

The People of God means the REAL People of God, and not simply a faction of those who call themselves People of God!!!

Jesus Christ didn’t come to Ethiopia… And in the time of the Lord, there were Books IN ISRAEL that were used as Scripture. The Lord didn’t add any book and He didn’t blame them for adding any book. Jesus Christ has the authority! Not those Jews who wanted to doubt even after Jesus Christ came!!

So don’t quote me refusing human authority! I am talking here about ONE point of those five points of the DIVINE CANON, and I am talking about the REAL People of God, and not the unbelieving Jews who still doubted what the Canon is even after the Lord came! And the bad thing is that you are quoting me saying the same thing that I said here right now: "And many Jews deny that Jesus is the Christ! Must we believe that also? ( I say this SUPPOSING that what you say about the Jews is true )

Why do you insist on human authorities?"

Yes! I am talking about the REAL People of God, the REAL Israel, and not those who denied the Lord! And remember that we are talking here about ONE point of that DIVINE CANON! Talking about ONE point doesn’t mean insisting on human authority!

To be continued, if the Lord wills.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

By His Grace we continue.

YAQUBOS:

Those churches that have accepted these writings as Bible ( yet, they didn’t accept them OFFICIALLY ), they accepted them in the fourth, sixteenth, and seventeenth centuries, it means long after they were written! And they didn’t have the right to declare them as Word of God, because they are part of the Old Testament!

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They are part of the Old Testament of the Alexandrian Canon. “Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (Matthew 18:18) They have the authority.

Even if the bishops have that authority, they will exercise it ACCORDING TO THE DIVINE CANON, as we said, and you said AMEN!!! The DIVINE CANON says that it must be accepted by the people of God who heard that when REVEALED! Not by a people that suddenly appears later and declares to be the people of God! For the Word says:

“For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.” ( 1 Thessalonians 2:13 )

You can’t have a people of God without the Word of God! So as the REAL people of God didn’t accept those books as DIVINE, then they do not meet the 5th point of the DIVINE CANON! Or else we must think that there was not a people of God until the Roman Church came!!!

By the way: did you notice that I said “then they do not meet the 5th point of the DIVINE CANON!”. I didn’t say “then they are not Word of God”. Because we can’t judge everything according to ONE point. The Word of God meets all the points of the Canon, because the Canon is taken FROM IT!!!

To be continued, if the Lord wills.

In Love,

Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

We continue by His Grace.

YAQUBOS:

Other Fathers of the Church were against the canonicity of those books, like:

• Jerome: this is the Hebrew scholar who made the official Latin Vulgate version of the Old Testament, and he DIDN’T add those human writings, because he didn’t believe they are Scripture! But the HUMAN authorities of his church ordered their adding to the version! And you know what it means to oppose those authorities…

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Wrong!

Jerome

“What sin have I committed if I follow the judgment of the churches? But he who brings charges against me for relating [in my preface to the book of Daniel] the objections that the Hebrews are wont to raise against the story of Susannah [Dan. 13], the Song of the Three Children [Dan. 3:29–68, RSV-CE], and the story of Bel and the Dragon [Dan. 14], which are not found in the Hebrew volume, proves that he is just a foolish sycophant. I was not relating my own personal views, but rather the remarks that they are wont to make against us. If I did not reply to their views in my preface, in the interest of brevity, lest it seem that I was composing not a preface, but a book, I believe I added promptly the remark, for I said, ‘This is not the time to discuss such matters’” (Against Rufinius 11:33 [A.D. 401]).

The fact that we read in this quote a contradiction of what Jerome wrote in the preface, shows that something changed later. And I have explained to you what happened even before you ask, but it seems you didn’t pay attention to that… Did you read the following:

YAQUBOS:

• Jerome: this is the Hebrew scholar who made the official Latin Vulgate version of the Old Testament, and he DIDN’T add those human writings, because he didn’t believe they are Scripture! But the HUMAN authorities of his church ordered their adding to the version! And you know what it means to oppose those authorities…

I have typed in bold what you have to notice.

YAQUBOS:

• Athanasius: one of the most important Fathers of the Church. He is the most known Father in the matter of the Arian controversy! He didn’t accept those human writings as Divine!

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Again, in order for a dogma to be declared, it must be approved by the majority. The majority approved of the Catholic Canon, as St. Jerome attests.

We have shown what happened with Jerome.

You talk again about a majority approving of the Roman Canon, thus showing that those books were not accepted by the people of God until the Roman Canon was created! But the DIVINE CANON, unlike the canon of Rome, says that it must be accepted by the REAL People of God. A doubt on the REAL WORD OF GOD comes AFTER its acceptance by the People of God, and not before!

To be continued, if the Lord wills.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

May the Lord help us as we continue.

YAQUBOS:

When was the FIRST time when those books were officially added to the Bible of a certain Church ( and NOT the WholeHolyChurch of God! ) ?
It is in 1546 A.D.! It was added by the Roman Catholic Church at the Council of Trent! And this is suspect! Why? Because the Council of Trent came as a reaction to the Reformation of Martin Luther ( 1517 ). Martin Luther called for some biblical support for human wrong beliefs like salvation by works and prayer for the dead! And as the canonical Scripture doesn’t contain such vanities, so the reaction of the Roman Catholic Church was to add those human writings in support to their human teachings! And as they considered those writings as Scripture, they supposed that the Reformation must accept those human teachings, because their added books talk about them!
Oh, but if you know how those books talk about them!!! About prayer for the dead, 2 Maccabees 12:45-46 !!! This is an example of humans praying for PAGANS who used to worship idols, so that they may have good resurrection!!! Oh! Do you believe that we can pray for a pagan who died without believing in God, so that he may have eternal life??? Don’t you believe what the Bible says that TODAY is the Day of Salvation??? As for the salvation by works, we read it in Tobit 12:9 ( and many other passages of those wrong human writings )! They say you can have salvation by your money!!!

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The Council of Rome was the first to declare them scripture, as did all the other councils from that point. The council of Trent bound the existing canon shut. Martin Luther also rejected the Epistle of James, the Epistle to the Hebrews, and the Book of Revelation

Again: you are talking about people doubting some books BEFORE they are accepted! How many times do we have to say that, in the case of the real Word of God, people doubt it AFTER it is accepted by the People of God, as it is the case with Martin Luther who doubted books that were already accepted by the real People of God who first read it!!! This is a point of the DIVINE CANON to which you said AMEN!!!

But you didn’t answer my question: “Oh, but if you know how those books talk about them!!! About prayer for the dead, 2 Maccabees 12:45-46 !!! This is an example of humans praying for PAGANS who used to worship idols, so that they may have good resurrection!!! Oh! Do you believe that we can pray for a pagan who died without believing in God, so that he may have eternal life??? Don’t you believe what the Bible says that TODAY is the Day of Salvation??? As for the salvation by works, we read it in Tobit 12:9 ( and many other passages of those wrong human writings )! They say you can have salvation by your money!!!”

Do you believe that we can pray for a pagan who died without believing in God, so that he may have eternal life???

To be continued, if the Lord wills.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

We continue by His Grace.

YAQUBOS:

None of those human writings claims to be inspired. Indeed, some of them even deny that they are inspired, because they are not written by a prophet of God!

“Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” ( 1 Maccabees 9:27 )

So these words were not written by a prophet…

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Nor was Esther. 1 Maccabees was written by the Holy Spirit.

Hey! Didn’t you say AMEN when I said that all DIVINE Books must meet the DIVINE CANON??? Esther meets those standards. Esther doesn’t have to tell you that it is inspired, because it is written in a prophetic era, and it doesn’t deny being written by a prophet or man of God! While Maccabees clearly denies being written by a man of God who has prophetic inspiration! For the inspiration of the Spirit ceased in Israel from the last prophet until the Son of God came!

You say that Maccabees was written by the Holy Spirit, although Maccabees says that it is not written by a prophet ( inspired man of God )!!! Do you imagine that the Holy Spirit wrote it without using a prophet??? How did He write it??? Don’t you know that the DIVINE CANON says that it is a prophet of God who speaks the Word of God, and not any simple human???

YAQUBOS:

And remember! The first question of the DIVINE CANON was: “Was it written by a prophet of God?”…

Psalm45:9:

St. John the Baptist didn’t write anything.

Who said that all prophets must write something! The DIVINE CANON says that the WORD OF GOD is always written by a prophet ( inspired man of God ). This doesn’t mean that all prophets must write something!!!

YAQUBOS:

So we see that those wrong human teachings that Romans accept as Scripture

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The Eastern Orthodox and the Ethiopian Jews also accept them as scripture.

The so called Eastern “Orthodox” didn’t declare them officially as Word of God! They just use them as DEUTEROCANONICAL, thus showing that the REAL People of God didn’t accept them as Scripture!

Jesus Christ didn’t come to Ethiopia, as we said. And He didn’t blame the Jews OF ISRAEL of adding or taking away from any DIVINE Book!

To be continued, if the Lord wills.

In Love,
Yaqubos†