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Oh, there was more than a meeting with the Pope.
Sanders was officially asked and invited by the chancellor for the pontifical academy, Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, a close aide of Pope Francis, to come speak at the Vatican about creating a “moral economy.” Sorondo said that it was his idea to invite Sanders, not the other way around.
The USCCB document Catholics In Political Life, which is the basis of the debate at Notre Dame says, “The Catholic community and Catholic institutions should not honor those who act in defiance of our fundamental moral principles. They should not be given awards, honors or platforms which would suggest support for their actions.”
Sanders was definitely given a platform and an honor at the Vatican, actually staying at the Pope’s residence.
A platform at the Vatican, the headquarters and ruling body of the worldwide Catholic Church, is much more significant and has a greater impact on the world than an award given at an U.S. university of 12,179 students.
Sanders was also the only presidential candidate given a platform by Catholic channel Salt + Light Television, endorsed by the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Vatican Television Center, and many departments of the Vatican. This is the interview where Sanders calls Pope Francis a socialist (in response to Rev. Thomas Rosica posing the question).
saltandlighttv.org/witness/?f=bernie-sanders
washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/02/22/exclusive-watch-bernie-sanders-call-pope-francis-a-socialist
And back to that meeting at the Vatican with Pope Francis, the Vatican tried to backtrack when news of a potential meeting with Sanders started coming out. “As far as I know, there will be no meeting with Sanders,” the Rev. Federico Lombardi told reporters at the Vatican, according to the Italian news agency ANSA (washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/14/no-plans-for-pope-francis-to-meet-with-sanders-vatican-says).
Yet, it still happened, with full knowledge of its political implications considering they already saw how the media and the world were perceiving the situation.
National Catholic Register (EWTN) says "the courtesy visit was prearranged. “Last night the meeting was scheduled for 6am this morning,” Sachs said in comments to CNA. “They had the chance to talk for several minutes.” No photographs were taken of the encounter.
Read more: ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/pope-francis-meets-bernie-sanders-vatican-confirms/#ixzz46EGUg8dQ
We shouldn’t be arguing about what’s happening at Notre Dame, if we are going to look past what’s happening at the headquarters of the Catholic Church.
In fact, Notre Dame is concurrently giving an award to former Speaker of the House John Boehner, giving an award to both a Republican and a Democrat. What’s the problem then? news.nd.edu/news/65074-2016-laetare-medal
“In recognizing both men, Notre Dame is not endorsing the policy positions of either, but celebrating two lives dedicated to keeping our democratic institutions working for the common good through dialogue focused on the issues and responsible compromise," said Notre Dame President Rev. John I. Jenkins, C.S.C.
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Oh, there was more than a meeting with the Pope.
Sanders was officially asked and invited by the chancellor for the pontifical academy, Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, a close aide of Pope Francis, to come speak at the Vatican about creating a “moral economy.” Sorondo said that it was his idea to invite Sanders, not the other way around.
The USCCB document Catholics In Political Life, which is the basis of the debate at Notre Dame says, “The Catholic community and Catholic institutions should not honor those who act in defiance of our fundamental moral principles. They should not be given awards, honors or platforms which would suggest support for their actions.”
Sanders was definitely given a platform and an honor at the Vatican, actually staying at the Pope’s residence.
A platform at the Vatican, the headquarters and ruling body of the worldwide Catholic Church, is much more significant and has a greater impact on the world than an award given at an U.S. university of 12,179 students.
Sanders was also the only presidential candidate given a platform by Catholic channel Salt + Light Television, endorsed by the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Vatican Television Center, and many departments of the Vatican. This is the interview where Sanders calls Pope Francis a socialist in response to Rev. Thomas Rosica posing the question. (saltandlighttv.org/witness/?f=bernie-sanders), (washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/02/22/exclusive-watch-bernie-sanders-call-pope-francis-a-socialist)
And back to that meeting at the Vatican with Pope Francis, the Vatican tried to backtrack when news of a potential meeting with Sanders started coming out. “As far as I know, there will be no meeting with Sanders,” the Rev. Federico Lombardi told reporters at the Vatican, according to the Italian news agency ANSA (washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/14/no-plans-for-pope-francis-to-meet-with-sanders-vatican-says).
Yet, it still happened, with full knowledge of its political implications considering they already saw how the media and the world were perceiving the situation.
National Catholic Register (EWTN) says "the courtesy visit was prearranged. “Last night the meeting was scheduled for 6am this morning,” Sachs said in comments to CNA. “They had the chance to talk for several minutes.” No photographs were taken of the encounter. (ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/pope-francis-meets-bernie-sanders-vatican-confirms)
We shouldn’t be arguing about what’s happening at Notre Dame, if we are going to look past what’s happening at the headquarters of the Catholic Church.
In fact, Notre Dame is concurrently giving an award to former Speaker of the House John Boehner, giving an award to both a Republican and a Democrat. What’s the problem then?
“In recognizing both men, Notre Dame is not endorsing the policy positions of either, but celebrating two lives dedicated to keeping our democratic institutions working for the common good through dialogue focused on the issues and responsible compromise," said Notre Dame President Rev. John I. Jenkins, C.S.C. (news.nd.edu/news/65074-2016-laetare-medal)
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So, it is now all right to give a platform to a pro-choice politician?
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No, it’s not. And it is a grave scandal that Sanders was allowed to speak. It has been terribly scandalous that so many pro-abortion people have been allowed to speak, or have been praised by the Vatican and the Pope. It’s just awful.
I think people are more hesitant to protest the Pope for fear of sending the message that they are attacking his authority. It puts faithful Catholics in an awful bind, because you want to show faithfulness to the Pope, but these actions are scandalous.
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Sanders was invited to speak at the Vatican about creating a moral economy. If this was a conference with the Pontifical Academy and Vatican officials, I’m not sure this qualifies as “giving a platform”. If it was a public talk sponsored by the Vatican then I would certainly agree with you. Actually, I am more concerned about the concept of a “moral economy”, that and the fact that a self-described socialist was invited to suggest what that might be.
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Asking a man such as Sanders, who has an obviously malformed moral compass, to speak about creating a “moral economy” is utter madness. What’s next, asking PETA to give a seminar on the best bbq cooking recipes?
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“You might expect that the Pontifical Council would have invited people in tune with JPII, who had seen Nazism and Communism (and the vices of unfreedom) first-hand. Instead, they’ve organized something quite distressing – and perhaps telling. Our American media are buzzing because presidential candidate and self-proclaimed socialist Bernie Sanders was invited”
… … But all that’s just for starters. If you wanted to invite political figures, there are people like the electrician, Solidarity leader, and later Polish president Lech Walesa who helped bring down Marxism in the annus mirabilis, 1989. He’s still alive and – I can personally attest – kicking."
–Robert Royal
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AMEN.
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otjm
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Considering that Bernie was talking about economics (not that I think he knows squat about the topic), it appears that you feel that anyone who does not meet your moral criteria on one matter (and you an I agree on the moral issue) has no right to speak on any other matter.
Please show me where, in the CCC, that the Church holds such a position.
There is more than a little bit of difference between awarding Joe Biden a medal, and inviting someone to a conference on economics.
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, Abortion is Murder
Question, Who has killed more human beings Stalin or Planned Parenthood s/b named Planned Abortions ?
The U.S.A. is a dead nation, separated from God’s Graces, so long as we donate $500 million/year to Planned Abortions and kill 4,000 babies/day !
the killing machine of PP makes stalin/hitler/ mao look like pikers;
“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own” (Jn 15:18-19)
Read more:
ncregister.com/blog/khawkins/at-some-catholic-universities-education-is-too-costly-and-human-life-is-che
Question, Who has killed more human beings Stalin or Planned Parenthood s/b named Planned Abortions ?
The U.S.A. is a dead nation, separated from God’s Graces, so long as we donate $500 million/year to Planned Abortions and kill 4,000 babies/day !
the killing machine of PP makes stalin/hitler/ mao look like pikers;
“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own” (Jn 15:18-19)
Read more:
ncregister.com/blog/khawkins/at-some-catholic-universities-education-is-too-costly-and-human-life-is-che
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I was reading about Notre Dame University yesterday. From what I have read, they are heretics.
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otjm
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Reading without critical thinking is simply being swayed by whatever comes along in the media.
Notre Dame is a university, and like most universities - in fact, probably all universities - it is mad up of administration and professors.
And like other universities, professors come in all shapes, sizes, and philosophical and theological positions.
There may, or may not, be some heretics there. Casting the whole university as heretical has no basis in fact - including whatever you read. That is pure poppycock.
Whoever made the decision to invite Joe Biden, was part of a very small group who have the power to make such decisions, and they appear to be very well insulated from criticism. And it is far, far more likely that the decision was made as a matter of prestige, than it was as a matter of heresy. Some people can make decisions for reasons other than openly denying doctrine or moral law; and one example is that it is made on a purely secular weighting of poer, prestige, notoriety and a variety of other secular (name removed by moderator)uts.
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cruxnow.com/church/2016/04/26/old-abortion-politics-drive-biden-backlash-at-notre-dame/
This article is full of holes. Just another example of pro-abort apologetics.
This article is full of holes. Just another example of pro-abort apologetics.
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You didn’t answer the question I asked; you answered someone else’s, or your own.
I don’t have any question about Bernie’s stance on abortion, nor do I need a lecture from you about it.
He is talking about economics; and for some of his comments, I don’t believe he knows all that much real world economics.
But his talk appears to have nothing to do with his stance on abortion.
And last I recall, he is not a Catholic.
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And if the Church needs to address his stance on abortion, eugenics, stem cell research, and etc., that will need to be done by his bishop.
Talking about cancer research is not related; and people who are in governments regularly address things at the Vatican.
we get the point about Joe’s positions. I suspect the the Vatican has a clue; but the topics are unrelated, and one does not refuse to speak with a government individual of his rank because of abortion issues, as much as you would like that to happen.
Nor is this an issue solely to Pope Francis; prior popes have met with the same group.
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You have some attitude, BYE!
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