Black Lives Matters vs All Lives Matters

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I respectfully - but quite strongly - disagree.

–If you want context, look at it in full context: BLM, as an organization, is committed to essentially every far-left cause imaginable: “Queer rights,” abortion rights; acting like illegal immigrants should be empowered; tearing down institutions, etc. Those “values” are 100% contrary to the traditional concept of a 1-mom, 1-dad family. There’s your context.

–These values have been vetted by lawyers; written and re-written; debated et al, yet the words chosen were what they were: BLM could have said “we want to extend child-rearing to extended family,” etc. Nope - they said they want to “disrupt” the nuclear family structure.

–For that matter, what single event has absolutely crushed black culture & achievement in the USA over the last 50 years? The death of the traditional black family. All BLM is doing is trying to smudge the fact that the death of the traditional (nuclear!?) black family has been a disaster in the US, without saying so and while casting the blame elsewhere.
 
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I’m going to ask a very serious question. What happens after there is police reform and individual [white] cops who are still individually racist commit crimes against black people, or any other group of people based on racist motives? Would it (whatever it would be) also apply to a black cop who is racist against Mexicans?
 
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SusieQ57 said:
From Social Media: If you are a Christian, and can’t hear Black Lives Matter without feeling the need to respond with a criticism that “All Lives Matter”, then crack open your Bible and hit up Luke 15.
Don’t have it handy? Let me summarize.
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The issue has never been the sentiment that Black Lives Matter. The issue has always been the fact that Black Lives Matter proposed a false narrative from their inception that was not in harmony with the available data. Essentially, at the time they were created, immediately after the Michael Brown killing, they fostered a narrative that police officers were indiscriminately killing people of color and doing so without just cause on a systemic scale. When we looked at the aggregate data, we found that this is not true at all. That all races are subject to violent encounters with the police, sometimes resulting in death. The data also showed that police were actually less likely to shoot a black subject in similar circumstances. The data also shows that as a percentage of police interactions, police brutality, and police shootings specific are rare events. Lastly, they used a case study wherein the shooting actually turned out to be justified once a full investigation was complete and the case went to trial. Unfortunately, the narrative of hands up, don’t shoot, after having been thoroughly debunked in the Michael Brown Trial, is still being touted by BLM protesters, six years later. So not only are they advancing a false premise, that the cops are systemically racist, they are also doing so by tossing aside the requirement for due process. Also, the BLM movement proved on numerous occasions the willingness to engage in political violence to advance their agenda (i.e., looting, rioting, assault of civilians and police). The narrative they spurred also served to incite people to murder police officers. This is why the mantra of “All Lives Matter” cropped up. So while we all agree that black lives do matter, just as we agree that all lives matter, many of us find just cause to refuse to align with Black Lives Matter as a movement. Their evolution to increasingly radical agendas such as getting rid of the nuclear family has only served to further alienate them. Christians should never support a movement that fundamentally doesn’t believe in the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th Commandments.
 
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Well said. I would also add that it has never really been about racism or police brutality or systemic issues, but the already powerful, the already super-rich, and the political class, using people to further political agendas and power and wealth divide.
 
Sorry, I can’t say that one person is more important than another. I believe everyone counts. All lives are precious and God loves us all.
 
meltzerboy2 said:
However, BLM sometimes reminds me of BLT, so it’s not such a great acronym either.
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I work in legal news where BLM has, until recently, stood for the U.S. Bureau of Land Management. Every time I read a headline like ‘BLM looking at Montana mining leases’, I have a split second of utter confusion as my brain tries to comprehend how Black Lives Matter got involved in mining issues 😛
 
farronwolf said:
So for discussion sake. What is the biggest threat to “black” lives, since color seems to make a difference?

What single thing would make the most difference in “black” lives. After that, what is the second largest thing affecting “black” lives?

Are these things different than what affects whites, or brown, or yellow lives?
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I address your inquiry which I find to be more of a rhetorical statement than information seeking.

The statement is made as to arrests to submit that it matters if black people survive police interactions. What is most protested is overly-aggressive police tactics which can be violent or fatal. I can only speculate that the secondary cause is racial profiling.

Things are different as to black lives due to racial profiling and race role conditioning.
 
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One thing that bugs me is that I’ve never thought to say All Lives Matter in response to BLM. I frankly don’t understand the confusion behind the slogan. I’m not black and I’ve never felt the need to say that my race matters too, because it’s been clear from the get-go that the black community was dealing with their experience of racism. It’s been my impression that those who are quick to say blue lives/white lives/all lives generally tend to be uncomfortable with discussions about racism towards minorities, although I’m sure there are a few exceptions.
 
Nepperhan said:
Things are different as to black lives due to racial profiling and race role conditioning.
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The documentary 13th on Netflix has been pretty good in explaining this. Many people think racist people, beliefs and the by products of racism immediately disappeared once racial segregation was abolished. Instead we see racism dressed up in different costumes, designed to abolish the black family unit. The American prison system seriously needs reform.
 
So the protests are mainly about overly aggressive police tactics when in contact with police and racial profiling.

Studies have been cited which indicate that deadly force is less likely to be used against blacks than whites when in contact with police. So if we base it on that the protests start with a false premise.

Does profiling take place, I will have to admit that in certain places it most likely does. I can only go from personal experience regarding interactions with police. The only time I have had interactions with police which I haven’t initiated by calling them, is when I was doing something I shouldn’t have been. A couple of times, I even got to see the jail. But in all of the incidents, I was respectful, they were as well, and things went the way they were supposed to.
 
All lives do matter. We are cowards to not see and expose the truth of BLM. It is not about black lives. If it was they would be concerned about black on black murders. BLM is a domestic terrorist organization. Why can’t people say what BLM really is? Political correctness? There were 9 unarmed blacks killed by cops (not unjustified). This I s not a systematic problem.
 
Because the puppet masters who are controlling the useful masses have won the battle with their tactics by ensuring that ANY and ALL dissenting speech is immediately turned against that person in horrific ways. People are losing the jobs simply by saying things like, “we should have an open an honest conversation” or “the looting is violence”. When you are penalized like that, people shut up quick and learn fast not to say anything for fear of real repercussions. Our first amendment here in the US is all but dead and buried. People telling the truth will cost your job, your reputation and a whole lot more if you aren’t careful. People are scared.
 
VonDerTann said:
The problem is that “black lives matter” is not just a saying . It is an organization . Its own website calls itself a “global organization.” That organization has a whole series of core beliefs that are detailed on that website. What do those core beliefs include?

–“We foster a queer-affirming network…”

–“We disrupt…the nuclear family structure…”
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Nobody cares about that organization and it defintely isn’t on their minds when they use a catchy slogan.
 
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JoeFreedom said:
What happens after there is police reform and individual [white] cops who are still individually racist commit crimes against black people, or any other group of people based on racist motives?
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I put the relevant part in bold letters. Assuming that part of that police reform includes a much-needed end to “qualified immunity” . . . if they commit crimes, they need to face the legal consequences. This applies regardless of which race goes against which race.

I think there’s enough data to hypothesize that many cases of police brutality may have underlying racist motivations. But where racism is usually committed passive-aggressively or subconsciously, such motivations may be all but impossible to prove in court. Therefore, it’s better to prosecute police crimes regardless of motivation.
 
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Cops will quit in droves if you totally eliminate qualified immunity. There is a reason for it, but it needs to be reformed. In and of itself, if we eliminated it, cops would be sued left and right until our justice system came to a screeching halt. No cop is his or her right mind would be a cop if they got sued for doing their job. It’s not the answer the left is feeding you.

I think the law is clear enough that cops are not above or below the law, and if a cop commits murder, that is a crime, and they should be punished for it. Cops DO go to jail for crimes against people, and qualified immunity does not stop them from being prosecuted.
 
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Nightfly said:
If it was they would be concerned about black on black murders.
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This has already been addressed; police violence is more urgent to address. Why Black Lives Matter doesn't focus on ‘black-on-black’ crime
“When a civilian has committed a violent crime, they’re generally arrested, tried and then convicted,” Franchesca Ramsey, a writer and activist who discusses race, explains in the MTV series Decoded (which you can watch here in full).

“Conversely, there’s a lot of evidence that it’s very rare to secure an indictment against a police officer for excessive force. And an indictment is just a trial; it isn’t even a conviction.”
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I would be really, REALLY careful saying “nobody cares about the organization” BLM. It’s adherents are many; it is growing in power and influence (their protests are now often front page news and their ranks are international as well); it has the support of a large and growing number of politicians.
 
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