BREAKING: Texas Republicans pass abortion law after marathon filibuster

[57thDimension]

Isn’t this truly disgusting? Once you peel away the layers of fluff and phony concern, the reality is that easy abortion has allowed MALES to be irresponsible as well. We all know that many women do not want to abort their babies but are pressured by the males (they are not MEN) because they don’t want to assume responsibility for protecting their women or their children.

It is disgusting. It makes me wonder why some men support abortion.

+Sebastian

 

[_Abyssinia]

townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/07/10/proabort-wanrs-late-term-abortion-ban-means-less-sex-for-men-you-know-n1638047

This was in response to a PRO ABORTION blogger who said if you “stand with women” you will preserve the ability to have unprotected sex with women about whom you do not care nor the child you two may create. As she sums it up:

***Sherman’s post can really be summed up in one sentence: The sex lives of men are way more important than the lives of unborn children, so please, keep late term abortion available for women. Men like Sherman are still free to have irresponsible sex with as many women as they want, HB2 doesn’t limit their behavior. Nothing is stopping the sick bastards from asking (or forcing) women to get an abortion before the five-month mark. ***

Isn’t this truly disgusting? Once you peel away the layers of fluff and phony concern, the reality is that easy abortion has allowed MALES to be irresponsible as well. We all know that many women do not want to abort their babies but are pressured by the males (they are not MEN) because they don’t want to assume responsibility for protecting their women or their children.

What a hideous generation Roe has created. Those who survived are not willing to give the same consideration to the children THEY created. The truth hurts and the truth is that protecting access to lust, pleasure and fun are not reasons to kill another person.

Lisa

Ben Sherman’s comments about abortion are an example of why I do not understand why so many feminists are pro abortion.

 

[Raskolnikov]

From: townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/07/10/proabort-wanrs-late-term-abortion-ban-means-less-sex-for-men-you-know-n1638047

+Sebastian

If people who are having casual sex are too stupid to know that doing so without contraception tends to cause pregnancy, then there’s probably no helping them. I’m surprised such a person would be capable of finding an abortion clinic anyway.

Also, the idiot (SHerman is his name?) who made that comment must have forgotten all the men who had no say in whether their children lived or died, because it was ‘a woman’s choice.’

 

[Raskolnikov]

Ben Sherman’s comments about abortion are an example of why I do not understand why so many feminists are pro abortion.

Why wouldn’t they be? It’s the best of both worlds: they get as much or little custody as they want from family courts, mandatory child support, and government stipends for children born, and free abortion for those too inconvenient to birth; that means total freedom and no responsibilities for mothers, no freedom and total responsibility for fathers: a feminist utopia.

 

[LisaA]

Why wouldn’t they be? It’s the best of both worlds: they get as much or little custody as they want from family courts, mandatory child support, and government stipends for children born, and free abortion for those too inconvenient to birth; that means total freedom and no responsibilities for mothers, no freedom and total responsibility for fathers: a feminist utopia.

I suspect Abysinnia was speaking a bit tongue in cheek. It’s SO ironic that “feminists” who didn’t want to be considered sex objects or used for their bodies have supported legislation and culture that does this very thing!

If a woman’s body is not honored for its gift of creating and nurturing human life, isn’t that the woman is being used for pleasure? If she is wanted as a sexual partner but not a wife and a mother to the man’s children, then what is she other than a sex object? Women who used to be honored and men who used to be EXPECTED to be responsible have lost their proverbial minds if they think this attitude benefits either part, society or most important the human life they have created.

Women have been SO foolish to listen to the voices that told them the pill and abortion liberated them. It has been a curse not a blessing.

Lisa

 

[andrewstx]

The first bill only failed by the rule of law per being voted on late. I understand the supporters of infanticide, the Democrats did some rule breaking as well. Amazing, what abortion supporters say.

Exactly. Both parties played dirty pool and should be ashamed of themselves. The main problem to me is EXTREME partisanship.

But Texas has been a one party dictatorship since Reconstruction, the party that ran things has changed but that is about all. Right wing Demos right wing Repubs, nothing has really changed except for the extreme partisanship and the total refusal to compromise on anything.

 

[andrewstx]

One party dictatorship to me is more like the old Soviet dictatorship when the only ones allowed to vote were Communists. Texas has essentially done something similar with gerrymandering and voter ID.
As much as you would like to call it a dictatorship, we are a red state. We elected these officials. If Perry would seek another term, I would vote for him again. Would you consider predominantly blue states dictatorial???*

Yes Mr. Perry has been re-elected continually by the tactics I have already spoken of. Gerrymandering and voter ID laws that prevent poor people, disabled people who have not been able to drive for years. Jim Crow laws revisited. My own step-dad in Texas could not vote, reason: he could not afford to pay the Jim Crow poll taxes

I would consider extremely uniform blue states dictatorial as well, are there any?
What ever became of political compromise? With the extreme partisanship that will bring us down it no longer exists.

Moderate Republican (yes there are still a few of us around).*

 

[LisaA]

Exactly. Both parties played dirty pool and should be ashamed of themselves. The main problem to me is EXTREME partisanship.

But Texas has been a one party dictatorship since Reconstruction, the party that ran things has changed but that is about all. Right wing Demos right wing Repubs, nothing has really changed except for the extreme partisanship and the total refusal to compromise on anything.

Do you believe in infanticide? What about this abortion law offends you as a “moderate” Republican? Are you a believer in a moderate amount of infanticide? A moderate amount of quality medical standards?

Lisa

 

[andrewstx]

Do you believe in infanticide? What about this abortion law offends you as a “moderate” Republican? Are you a believer in a moderate amount of infanticide? A moderate amount of quality medical standards?

Lisa

Where did you come up with all of that, my writing? I need to take composition and rhetoric again.

I absolutely do not believe in infanticide!

Moderate Republican means different things, first I am not a tea party member. I don’t believe this country should be an “oilagharchy”, I do not support the “winner take all, never compromise” philosophy shared by the far right Republicans. I believe that every man, woman, and child born or unborn counts, and not just the very rich. This Nation was founded on the politics of compromise and not winner take all, no matter how dirty they play.

I hope that helps you understand me if…you are interested.

 

[oldcelt]

One party dictatorship to me is more like the old Soviet dictatorship when the only ones allowed to vote were Communists. Texas has essentially done something similar with gerrymandering and voter ID.
As much as you would like to call it a dictatorship, we are a red state. We elected these officials. If Perry would seek another term, I would vote for him again. Would you consider predominantly blue states dictatorial???**

Yes Mr. Perry has been re-elected continually by the tactics I have already spoken of. Gerrymandering and voter ID laws that prevent poor people, disabled people who have not been able to drive for years. Jim Crow laws revisited. My own step-dad in Texas could not vote, reason: he could not afford to pay the Jim Crow poll taxes

I would consider extremely uniform blue states dictatorial as well, are there any?
What ever became of political compromise? With the extreme partisanship that will bring us down it no longer exists.

Moderate Republican (yes there are still a few of us around).

Just as there are Moderate Democrats remaining. They just don’t happen to have any leadership positions at this time.

 

[LisaA]

Yes Mr. Perry has been re-elected continually by the tactics I have already spoken of. Gerrymandering and voter ID laws that prevent poor people, disabled people who have not been able to drive for years. Jim Crow laws revisited. My own step-dad in Texas could not vote, reason: he could not afford to pay the Jim Crow poll taxes

I would consider extremely uniform blue states dictatorial as well, are there any?
What ever became of political compromise? With the extreme partisanship that will bring us down it no longer exists.

Moderate Republican (yes there are still a few of us around)

Just as there are Moderate Democrats remaining. They just don’t happen to have any leadership positions at this time.

Gee didn’t realize Gov Perry had been in office since 1937…or even the 1960s when the last poll tax was declared unconstitutional. Quit pulling ancient history out of the dark recesses of long past experience to make claims about today. The vote on the abortion rule reflected the majority of Texans.

As to dictatorial blue states…trust me I live in one. California has changed rules so that they don’t even have to have two party elections. The primary is a free for all and the top two vote getters face off in the general election, even if they are both Democrats.

New York is pretty blue as is Illinois. Interestingly the blue states lead in unemployment, debt and the misery index. I think the most worriesome aspect are those leaving blue states because they hate the results of Democrat rule and then try to inflict their crazy ideas on the red state they’ve entered to get the tax and employment benefits.

Lisa

 

[oldcelt]

Gee didn’t realize Gov Perry had been in office since 1937…or even the 1960s when the last poll tax was declared unconstitutional. Quit pulling ancient history out of the dark recesses of long past experience to make claims about today. The vote on the abortion rule reflected the majority of Texans.

As to dictatorial blue states…trust me I live in one. California has changed rules so that they don’t even have to have two party elections. The primary is a free for all and the top two vote getters face off in the general election, even if they are both Democrats.

New York is pretty blue as is Illinois. Interestingly the blue states lead in unemployment, debt and the misery index. I think the most worriesome aspect are those leaving blue states because they hate the results of Democrat rule and then try to inflict their crazy ideas on the red state they’ve entered to get the tax and employment benefits.

Lisa

I somehow got credit for that whole passage…only the line about Moderate Democrats was mine.

 

[LisaA]

I somehow got credit for that whole passage…only the line about Moderate Democrats was mine.

Sorry, but agree with you in total. There are some Moderate Dems but they are not allowed to speak up or have leadership positions.

Lisa

 

[ishii]

Moderate Republican means different things, first I am not a tea party member. I don’t believe this country should be an “oilagharchy”, I do not support the “winner take all, never compromise” philosophy shared by the far right Republicans. I believe that every man, woman, and child born or unborn counts, and not just the very rich. This Nation was founded on the politics of compromise and not winner take all, no matter how dirty they play.

I hope that helps you understand me if…you are interested.

Regarding the “winner take all philosophy” you are against, then naturally you are against the ramming down our throats of Obamacare by Obama and the Democrat party? Recall Obama’s words to John McCain as he tried to have a debate on the passage of Obamacare: “the elections over” (i.e. we won, you lost, get out of the way). The fiscal irresponsibility of Bush, then Obama caused the rise of the Tea Party movement that merely wants fiscal responsibility: we don’t spend what we don’t have and we don’t bankrupt future generations in order to give handouts to interest groups to get them to support us so we can win elections. They continually make their case to the people and occasionally have an influence on primaries and elections. More power to them. The tea party has every right to organize and have a say just as the mushy moderates do.

Compromise is fine among people who generally agree on the basics - such as the constitution. However, when dealing with those who would trample on the constitution, I don’t see where there would be any room for compromise.

Speaking of moderates, how virtuous, exactly, is moderation in opposition to the evil, anti-life, anti-Catholic policies of Obama?

Ishii

 

[_Abyssinia]

One party dictatorship to me is more like the old Soviet dictatorship when the only ones allowed to vote were Communists. Texas has essentially done something similar with gerrymandering and voter ID.
As much as you would like to call it a dictatorship, we are a red state. We elected these officials. If Perry would seek another term, I would vote for him again. Would you consider predominantly blue states dictatorial???

Yes Mr. Perry has been re-elected continually by the tactics I have already spoken of. Gerrymandering and voter ID laws that prevent poor people, disabled people who have not been able to drive for years. Jim Crow laws revisited. My own step-dad in Texas could not vote, reason: he could not afford to pay the Jim Crow poll taxes

I would consider extremely uniform blue states dictatorial as well, are there any?
What ever became of political compromise? With the extreme partisanship that will bring us down it no longer exists.

Moderate Republican (yes there are still a few of us around).**

Democrats and republicans gerrymander

Maryland Redistricting Plan is an Affront to Representative Democracy

Incumbents Carve Out a New Congressional Map

Michigan Democrats’ Gerrymandering Problem at Historic Level

 

[pnewton]

. This Nation was founded on the politics of compromise and not winner take all, no matter how dirty they play.

The Democrats for the most part want zero restrictions on abortion. That is no compromise. We have been living under “no compromise” on abortion despite the fact that the democratic majority of the country disapproves of abortion.

 

[LisaA]

The Democrats for the most part want zero restrictions on abortion. That is no compromise. We have been living under “no compromise” on abortion despite the fact that the democratic majority of the country disapproves of abortion.

Yes and while I realize both sides do this, with respect to abortion “compromise” means you pro-lifers compromise YOUR beliefs and allow abortion.

The Left cannot claim a willingness to compromise because in this and other cases they have fought ANY restriction on abortion, from the gruesome Partial Birth Abortion method to gestational restrictions, to consent laws, to even forcing tax dollars to pay for abortions.

Clearly as you said NO RESTRICTIONS of any kind is their “compromise” on this issue.

Lisa

 

[_Abyssinia]

Wendy Davis Raises Almost $1 Million In Second Half Of June

Texas state Sen. Wendy Davis’ (D) campaign was expected to announce Monday that it raised almost $1 million in the last two weeks of June after her well-known filibuster of an abortion bill, the Texas Tribune reported.

Davis’ campaign was expected to report raising $933,000 between June 17 and June 30 to the Texas Ethics Commission on its Monday filing deadline, according to the Tribune. Most of the 15,290 donations came from small donors, under $250 each.

Davis told the Tribune in an interview last week that if she decides to run to replace Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R), fundraising in the red state would be “a key question.” State Attorney General Greg Abbott (R), who announced his own gubernatorial bid Sunday, reported raising $4.8 million for the same two-week period, according to the Tribune.

Poll by Public Policy Polling found Abbot 48%, Davies 40%:

publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/07/davis-popular-but-gubernatorial-bid-a-long-shot.html

PPP put a comment at the end of that article saying that, ‘Texas may trend democratic eventually…’ and the evidence for that is? If they mean because of the growth in the Hispanic population in the Texas, a couple of polls have found the majority of Hispanics are conservative, so if this identification continues to be a trend among Hispanics and for what reason would that change, Texas will not trend democrat based on growth in the Hispanic population. There has been some debate among conservatives about people moving to Texas from more liberal states who may then vote in liberal legislators. But then it could be argued many are moving from more liberal states to Texas for the benefits of more conservative policies so why would they want those policies to be replaced?

 

[_Abyssinia]

CENTER]Wendy Davis Raises Almost $1 Million In Second Half Of June

Texas state Sen. Wendy Davis’ (D) campaign was expected to announce Monday that it raised almost $1 million in the last two weeks of June after her well-known filibuster of an abortion bill, the Texas Tribune reported.

Davis’ campaign was expected to report raising $933,000 between June 17 and June 30 to the Texas Ethics Commission on its Monday filing deadline, according to the Tribune. Most of the 15,290 donations came from small donors, under $250 each.

Davis told the Tribune in an interview last week that if she decides to run to replace Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R), fundraising in the red state would be “a key question.” State Attorney General Greg Abbott (R), who announced his own gubernatorial bid Sunday, reported raising $4.8 million for the same two-week period, according to the Tribune.

Poll by Public Policy Polling found Abbot 48%, Davies 40%:

publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/07/davis-popular-but-gubernatorial-bid-a-long-shot.html

PPP put a comment at the end of that article saying that, ‘Texas may trend democratic eventually…’ and the evidence for that is? If they mean because of the growth in the Hispanic population in the Texas, a couple of polls have found the majority of Hispanics are conservative, so if this identification continues to be a trend among Hispanics and for what reason would that change, Texas will not trend democrat based on growth in the Hispanic population. There has been some debate among conservatives about people moving to Texas from more liberal states who may then vote in liberal legislators. But then it could be argued many are moving from more liberal states to Texas for the benefits of more conservative policies so why would they want those policies to be replaced?

 

[_Abyssinia]

CENTER]Wendy Davis Raises Almost $1 Million In Second Half Of June

Texas state Sen. Wendy Davis’ (D) campaign was expected to announce Monday that it raised almost $1 million in the last two weeks of June after her well-known filibuster of an abortion bill, the Texas Tribune reported.

Davis’ campaign was expected to report raising $933,000 between June 17 and June 30 to the Texas Ethics Commission on its Monday filing deadline, according to the Tribune. Most of the 15,290 donations came from small donors, under $250 each.

Davis told the Tribune in an interview last week that if she decides to run to replace Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R), fundraising in the red state would be “a key question.” State Attorney General Greg Abbott (R), who announced his own gubernatorial bid Sunday, reported raising $4.8 million for the same two-week period, according to the Tribune.

Poll by Public Policy Polling found Abbot 48%, Davies 40%:

publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/07/davis-popular-but-gubernatorial-bid-a-long-shot.html

PPP put a comment at the end of that article saying that, ‘Texas may trend democratic eventually…’ and the evidence for that is? If they mean because of the growth in the Hispanic population in the Texas, a couple of polls have found the majority of Hispanics are conservative, so if this identification continues to be a trend among Hispanics and for what reason would that change, Texas will not trend democrat based on growth in the Hispanic population. There has been some debate among conservatives about people moving to Texas from more liberal states who may then vote in liberal legislators. But then it could be argued many are moving from more liberal states to Texas for the benefits of more conservative policies so why would they want those policies to be replaced?