BREAKING: Texas Republicans pass abortion law after marathon filibuster

[Tucker_R]

So you want poor women to murder babies and spend an eternity in hell? How democrat of you… my last response to you. Ignored. I suggest everyopne else do the same.

Yes. I am against any laws that adversely affect ONLY poor women. I also believe that I have the right to make medical decisions myself. What “they” were trying to do was wrong, and I am glad that it didn’t work. No one has the right to make those decisions for me.

 

[john78]

Glad to see that there is a bit of common sense left out there, amongst a room full of idiots who can’t see past their nose.

Though I would give more credit not to the republicans who passed the bill, but to those faithful who have been praying on any level for a foot hold against abortion on any level. An that in turn means giving some true thanks to God for listening to the prayers of those of us who have been.

It is weird though, D.O.M.A gains a little bit of ground, and a major strike has been sent to abortion on some level at least.

dunno what to make of that.

eventually our Country will split from those who demand equal rights for every bloody thing under the sun no matter if it is immoral or not, be it the right to gay marriage to abortion, what ever…

I do not know if society can really even call these people liberals or democrats anymore…
not sure if communists, or socialists, or Marxists, even really fit…

maybe it is some mixture of the labels, an those who demand the government lead their lives and take care of them, versus those of us who do not twist and bend the Constitution an Bill of Rights, who do not take those laws out of context along with those of us who want to be of the faith and not have to worry about losing our job because our employer does not recognize us as having the right to not work on Sunday, YET tell that same employer you are Muslim and low an behold if that person does not get any day off that is asked no questions asked.

The split is taking place, it is between the two political parties and those that live at their feet, and the rest of us ; what ever revolt, be it armed, or civil disobedience, will happen in due time hopefully sooner than later, be it a revolt, civil war, what ever.

 

[PTL]

I do not know if society can really even call these people liberals or democrats anymore…
not sure if communists, or socialists, or Marxists, even really fit…

I think communists and monsters will fit.

 

[ProVobis]

So, you think a fetus that has life at 20 weeks does not merit the right to life?

A split second after conception gives the fetus the same right, does it not?

It seems like bills like this send a mixed message IMO, and anyone who tries to propose such bills isn’t doing the pro-life movement any favors. Okay, so you say that they are more restrictive. But if they only move the woman to act more quickly, that may work against the movement as well. Just my opinion.

 

[livnlern]

Austin is also our capital, so there are 2 populations of liberals up there - TU (or UT for non-Aggies) and the government. Double whammy.

We’ve had a HUGE influx of new immigrants from the NE - especially since 2008. I watch the license plates closely and they come here for work. I pray that they are fed up with their states’ dismal conditions and don’t try to duplicate the failure, but they could have an effect on our votes in major elections.

Austin has also been on the top ten list of best places to live in the US for some time now. That’s got to be a big draw for people from other parts of the country.

digitaljournal.com/article/341052
“The number two spot is home to Austin, Texas. Mostly known for being the home of the University of Texas, Austin provides a vibrant cultural scene hosting various live music events across the city. Being a high tech location, the city offers various job opportunities to any new graduate. Austin is also known for its numerous parks and outdoor locations, as well as the high average income level of residents.”

The people there are definitely different from most other parts of Texas! Very hippyish.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Austin has also been on the top ten list of best places to live in the US for some time now. That’s got to be a big draw for people from other parts of the country.

digitaljournal.com/article/341052
“The number two spot is home to Austin, Texas. Mostly known for being the home of the University of Texas, Austin provides a vibrant cultural scene hosting various live music events across the city. Being a high tech location, the city offers various job opportunities to any new graduate. Austin is also known for its numerous parks and outdoor locations, as well as the high average income level of residents.”

The people there are definitely different from most other parts of Texas! Very hippyish.

It’s got a pleasant climate, drier than many Texas cities, and it’s got a little altitude so it’s marginally cooler in summer. If you’re a hippy or a hipster, you’ll fit right in. If you’re not, you either put up with all that stuff or you go elsewhere. The traffic is HORRIBLE and only gets worse the more people move there.

I would have to think long and hard before relocating to Austin. It would be better than going home to Denver, but only just.

 

[LisaA]

A split second after conception gives the fetus the same right, does it not?

It seems like bills like this send a mixed message IMO, and anyone who tries to propose such bills isn’t doing the pro-life movement any favors. Okay, so you say that they are more restrictive. But if they only move the woman to act more quickly, that may work against the movement as well. Just my opinion.

Re statement one, yes in Catholic teaching it does.

Statement two, I think you are dead wrong on that one. I think the “ALL OR NOTHING” standard is a much bigger problem. To most Americans it sounds totally unreasonable to ban all abortions no matter what. If we hold out for that standard we will get NOTHING.

The vast majority of Americans do not realize that late term abortions even occur. Maybe a few more now that the Gosnell trial was grudgingly reported by the MSM. But most people believe that abortion is only available early in the pregnancy unless there are very serious health/life issues for the mother. Even the “pro choice” person recoils in horror at the idea a baby has his or her neck snipped. Although Gosnell did it outside of the womb, if you listen to the testimony of the doctor who testified in Congress, most babies are killed inside the womb with chemicals and THEN hacked apart. This testimony is quite chilling as he calmly demonstrates how to pull all of the body parts out of the woman.

Most people see abortion as an undesireable option on a “blob of tissue.” When a pregnancy gets far along, it’s clearly a human baby. One of the biggest benefits of technology is seeing inside the womb and there is great evidence that if a woman sees the baby via ultrasound she is more likely not to abort.

We need to educate people and a bill barring late term abortions is a way to pull in all but the most radical of abortion supporters. People are able to avert their eyes and their conscious when they envision something that looks like a blood clot. It’s much harder to agree to hack apart a child with all his fingers and toes and nerve endings.

Americans are not barbarians, they are mostly ignorant. I’ve done sort of causal “surveys” among my co-workers, friends, fellow parishioners, members of clubs and organizations. Most thought the banning of Partial Birth Abortion meant no more late term abortion. What they didn’t realize is that it’s same song different verse for the likes of Gosnell and Cathart. Once they are faced with what is happening they are SHOCKED and horrified. These are not devout Catholics other than some of my fellow parishioners. They are just ordinary Americans, most of whom do not even go to church.

A ban on late term abortions is a great start. As technology improves and as the tide continues to term, we can also turn back the clock on Roe.

Lisa

 

[LisaA]

It’s got a pleasant climate, drier than many Texas cities, and it’s got a little altitude so it’s marginally cooler in summer. If you’re a hippy or a hipster, you’ll fit right in. If you’re not, you either put up with all that stuff or you go elsewhere. The traffic is HORRIBLE and only gets worse the more people move there.

I would have to think long and hard before relocating to Austin. It would be better than going home to Denver, but only just.

LOVE San Antonio! Also like the hill country. A friend moved to Bastrop TX and although the trip to her place was a bit dry and dull, the hills with the creeks and pretty trees was very pleasant. They moved from Pasadena and think they’re at least half way to heaven!

Lisa

 

[TheRealJuliane]

A ban on ANY form of abortion strikes a body blow to the abortion industry. But this is a major blow, because late-term abortions are the most lucrative to the abortion clinic. This is the real reason for the insanity in the Senate chambers last night. Those people may think they are standing up for women’s rights, but they are being used so that women can be hurt and babies that could live can continue to line the pockets of the abortionists.

 

[gracepoole]

Troll alert. If you were a true Catholic… you would see what is wrong with a woman killing the unborn.

FYI: it’s against Forum rules to call a fellow poster a “troll.” It’s viewed as uncharitable.

 

[Dawnia]

A split second after conception gives the fetus the same right, does it not?

It seems like bills like this send a mixed message IMO, and anyone who tries to propose such bills isn’t doing the pro-life movement any favors. Okay, so you say that they are more restrictive. But if they only move the woman to act more quickly, that may work against the movement as well. Just my opinion.

The problem with all or nothing legislation is that when you wait for all, you end up with nothing.

Around 90% of all abortions are done in the 1st trimester anyway. The 20 wk provision is mainly for show. It is the other parts of this legislation that have teeth, like having the same requirements as other ambulatory surgical centers and doctors with hospital privileges. Those two elements are expected to shut down the majority of abortion facilities.

 

[ProVobis]

The problem with all or nothing legislation is that when you wait for all, you end up with nothing.

Around 90% of all abortions are done in the 1st trimester anyway. The 20 wk provision is mainly for show. It is the other parts of this legislation that have teeth, like having the same requirements as other ambulatory surgical centers and doctors with hospital privileges. Those two elements are expected to shut down the majority of abortion facilities.

A ban on ANY form of abortion strikes a body blow to the abortion industry. But this is a major blow, because late-term abortions are the most lucrative to the abortion clinic. This is the real reason for the insanity in the Senate chambers last night. Those people may think they are standing up for women’s rights, but they are being used so that women can be hurt and babies that could live can continue to line the pockets of the abortionists.

Those all are good points, if our number one objective is to hit the “abortion industry” in the pocketbook. But, science and money aside, we still believe that the life of a 19-week fetus has no lower value than one of a 20-week fetus. Bills like this can only confuse the real moral issue here.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Those are good points, if our number one objective is to hit the “abortion industry” in the pocketbook. But, science aside, we still believe that the life of a 19-week fetus has no lower value than one of a 20-week fetus. Bills like this can only confuse the real moral issue here.

Our objective is to make abortion both illegal and unthinkable. Any way we can get closer to that goal is good. The people who are doing abortions know the difference and all of us do too. It’s a great step forward and you will know when you hear the screaming of all the abortion harpies in the country.

 

[ProVobis]

Our objective is to make abortion both illegal and unthinkable.

I like that part.

 

[LisaA]

Those all are good points, if our number one objective is to hit the “abortion industry” in the pocketbook. But, science aside, we still believe that the life of a 19-week fetus has no lower value than one of a 20-week fetus. Bills like this can only confuse the real moral issue here.

That is simply your opinion and I wonder if you actually believe this or are being provacative.

I’d rather have all of something than part of nothing. Baby steps ProVobis. The turning point in this debate is to demonstrate the unborn baby is a human being. The ONLY way to justify abortion is to dehumanize the baby. The abortion industry has a huge head start with years of misinformation. We have many testimonies and videos of abortion clinic workers telling pregnant women that “it’s just a blob” “it doesn’t feel pain” “it’s like having a wart removed.”

The support to ban late term abortions is extraordinary. Start there and as Juliane noted, focus on the other issues such as staffing, facilities, etc. Public opinion is on our side. Fewer and fewer doctors are willing to do abortions. The few who are are the Gosnells of the world who cannot make it in the profession. They DONT have admitting privileges. Their facilities DON’T measure up to other surgi centers where routine day surgeries are done.

Lisa

 

[TexCatholic4JMJ]

I got the news about the Governor having another special session and I hope that this time
the bill gets passed. For those who thought that it was only the pro-death crowd that
“voiced their opinion”, know that there were supporters of the bill there as well. Of course,
they were respectful and quiet since it was in session. I think the democrat legislators who
were egging on their mob should be reprimanded. I’m sure they will have some crowd
control so that it can’t happen again.
Someone mentioned his bad performance in the debate. It was mentioned briefly at the time
that he was still under the effects of medication for the surgery he’d had just a short time
before the debate. Well, I can vouch for how he was feeling! After my car accident, the
pain medication, and other meds given to me for some of the side effects of the first were
awful. I could not respond in a normal way, it was as if my thoughts were wading through
molasses before I could say them. I got off of them as soon as I could. (Can’t figure out
how some get addicted to them, guess it must not affect them the same way.)

Okay, now back to the topic…

 

[CompSciGuy]

I think some are just jaded that the people had the guts to take matters into their own hands.I doubt anyone here would be saying the quoted remark if pro-lifers had shouted a pro-choice bill out of contention.

It would be absolutely inappropriate in any case! It is the job of the democratically elected members of the state senate to represent their constituents. By being rowdy and shouting over the senators, these few were effectively silencing the voices of Texas citizens. In other words, this was an act of tyranny on the part of the protestors.

 

[CompSciGuy]

British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli once said, “History is made by those who show up.” I’m inclined to agree. If you want a government of the people, by the people, for the people then the people had better make their presence known on issues that matter to them and get involved in the process. I’m not embarrassed about what happened in Austin. I wouldn’t be embarrassed or disapprove if the situation were reversed either. I’m tired of seeing governments run amok because the people are lazy and apathetic when it comes to defending and fighting for their rights and beliefs. People can rage all they want on the internet, but where were they when their government was making decisions for them?

People get involved by voting, and the majority of Texans voted for the senators that were pushing that bill last night. If you haven’t noticed Texas is a freaking huge state, and it is unrealistic for everyone everywhere to drive all the way to Austin on a work day to protest in the lobby of the state capitol. I live in Austin and even this wasn’t realistic for me either. But believe me I, along with millions of others across this great state, were busy making phone calls and calling for a second session. This is how to really make a difference, not screaming your head off like a child and silencing the voices of elected officials. That is called tyranny.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

That is simply your opinion and I wonder if you actually believe this or are being provacative.

I’d rather have all of something than part of nothing. Baby steps ProVobis. The turning point in this debate is to demonstrate the unborn baby is a human being. The ONLY way to justify abortion is to dehumanize the baby. The abortion industry has a huge head start with years of misinformation. We have many testimonies and videos of abortion clinic workers telling pregnant women that “it’s just a blob” “it doesn’t feel pain” “it’s like having a wart removed.”

The support to ban late term abortions is extraordinary. Start there and as Juliane noted, focus on the other issues such as staffing, facilities, etc. Public opinion is on our side. Fewer and fewer doctors are willing to do abortions. The few who are are the Gosnells of the world who cannot make it in the profession. They DONT have admitting privileges. Their facilities DON’T measure up to other surgi centers where routine day surgeries are done.

Lisa

Exactly. In a war, you don’t say, “Well, this is an economic strategy, I would like our enemies to understand that what they are doing is morally wrong in any case.” You hit them as hard as you can by destroying their means of support for attacking you. You destroy their infrastructure - roads, bridges, factories, dams, power plants. Obviously we aren’t going to literally drop bombs on the abortion clinics, but we can economically chip away at their bottom lines, while at the same time exposing their lies to women and the harm they do. The ultrasound bill has already caused a LOT of damage to PP’s bottom line, and shown women that the “blob of tissue” is in actuality, a living baby. Almost without exception, when women are actually shown their baby on an US, they choose life. We know that because there is a mobile pregnancy clinic parked outside PP here in my city, and over 500 babies have been saved, and more are saved every day. We know from the reaction we get (Sunday night being a great example) that we ARE having an effect, and it is hurting abortion providers and in turn, the industry itself.

Then there is Abby Johnson’s ministry, “And Then There Were None,” aimed at getting clinic workers to quit their jobs, as she did, and find new work for them, and support their healing process. And of course, 40 Days for Life which seems like nothing much, just prayerful presence at abortion clinics, but which has been responsible for many lives being saved and many clinics being closed down.

The Personhood Amendment effort is yet another strategy, and we can also attack the laws that make it possible to consider dead babies’ remains to be “medical waste.” There are hundreds of battle fronts that we can fight on, and that we will fight on.

We can’t at this time confront Roe v. Wade directly but over time, our aim is to make it unnecessary to do so.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Governor Rick Perry: We Will Beat the Pro-Abortion Mob, Ban Abortions

Governor Rick Perry gave a rousing speech to the National Right to Life convention today and urged pro-life activists to continue pressing members of the Texas legislature to ban abortions at 20 weeks of pregnancy.

Perry responded to the mob that shouted down members of the state Senate, who came a few minutes short of passing a bill that would ban late-term abortions and hold abortion clinics accountable for violating the health and safety of women.

“Even if they lose at the ballot box and come up short with stalling tactics, they will resort to mob tactics to force their agenda,” he said. He added: “the louder they scream, the more we know that we are getting something done.”

He said what the state witnessed Tuesday was nothing more than the hijacking of the democratic process and told pro-lifers to match their intensity but in a respectful and dignified manner.

The pro-life issue is too important and discussed his call for another special session to pass the 20-week abortion ban, saying, ”I am bringing lawmakers back to Austin to finish their business,” he said. “I put pro-life measures at the top of that list.”

Nearly 80,000 unborn children are lost to abortion each year in Texas. “It breaks my heart,” he said. “Abortion is a human rights issue and is a scar on our national conscience.”

“We will ban abortions after 20 weeks. It makes sense because so many children are born prematurely,” the governor added.

Perry also talked about the abortion facility regulations in the bill.

“Any patient should have the expectation that any facilities being used for a medical procedure” should be up to standards, he said. “It is entirely their call” if aboton facilities wold rather close than operate under health and safety laws. We are under no obligartion to make things easier for the abortionists. The ideal world is a world without abortion.”

“There are better options than to stop the beating heart of an unborn child,” he said.

Perry noted how pro-abortion legislator Wendy Davis rose from being a daughter of a single mother to go to Harvard and become an elected official. “Just unfortunate she hasn’t learned from her own example,” he said.

The governor said stopping abortion is a “just cause and a way to remember the 55 million who have been robbed of life.”