British growing more liberal

[LDNCatholic]

So with only a few exceptions for the rich who get private medicine, everyone else has to put up whatever the government decides to do with the pharmacies. If they want free contraception including RU486 abortion drugs over the counter is all their pharmacies, they can do it. Sounds like Communism to me.

Pity on the poor Catholic pharmacists!

I’m not a chemist, so I don’t know if they get a choice in what to stock but if you’d ever been to England you’d know very few of them are Catholic.

And it isn’t that the rich ‘‘get’’ private healthcare, its that they’re the ones who can afford it.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by** LDNCatholic**
I’m not a chemist, so I **don’t know if they get a choice in what to stock **but if you’d ever been to England you’d know very few of them are Catholic.

If there is no choice, then it is Communism.

I’ve never been to England but I do have relatives that have visited here. Aren’t Protestant just as upset about these things as the Evangelicals are in the USA?

 

[LDNCatholic]

If there is no choice, then it is Communism.

I’ve never been to England but I do have relatives that have visited here. Aren’t Protestant just as upset about these things as the Evangelicals are in the USA?

They aren’t as prominent nor as serious as the Evangelicals in America.

 

[Kaninchen]

In the socialized medicine in the UK, what percentage are privately owned?

There’s a category problem there.

It seems that if most are owned and regulated by the government, that would be close to communism.

So, you believe that the UK has passed through State control of the means of production, distribution and exchange and that the State has withered away, while still believing that it has a government?

When a government can put free condoms and free morning after pills in every pharmacy, what happens to the individual pharmacist’s right not to be involved? It has been taken away by the government.

They won’t get funding for it.

If they can refuse the government money, can they actually survive as an independent pharmacy?

Depends on what else they sell and their pricing policy - it’s called capitalistic competition.

 

[Kaninchen]

If there is no choice, then it is Communism.

No, that’s an American - “been seen reading the NY Times” - definition of communism.

I’ve never been to England but I do have relatives that have visited here. Aren’t Protestant just as upset about these things as the Evangelicals are in the USA?

Less than 10 percent of Brits are seriously religiously observant - Religious Conservatives form only a minority of that minority.

Different countries, different cultures.

 

[Kaninchen]

So with only a few exceptions for the rich who get private medicine, everyone else has to put up whatever the government decides to do with the pharmacies. If they want free contraception including RU486 abortion drugs over the counter is all their pharmacies, they can do it. Sounds like Communism to me.

You do seem confused about this. Pharmacies are in capitalistic competition with other pharmacies, they can have different marketing strategies.

Pity on the poor Catholic pharmacists!

I’m sorry for poor Catholic pharmacists, the rich ones, I can’t say I’m bothered about one way or another, unless they have some kind of personal tragedy, of course.

 

[Kadaveri]

Under British law doctors and other health workers have the right to refuse to perform or assist in the performing of abortions.

And while we’re at it, the abortion rate in the UK is 6.4 per 1,000 women, whereas in the USA its 9.3 per 1,000 women. So you’ll have to produce some evidence that our state-funded health system encourages women to have abortions. On the other hand I’d say it has the opposite effect, as since there’s no profit involved the health workers have nothing to gain from encouraging women to have an abortion, whereas with a private health system abortions are a product they’re trying to sell.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by Kaninchen
Depends on what else they sell and their pricing policy - it’s called capitalistic competition.

Not living there it is difficult to understand how it works. So the pharmacies even though not privately owned and operated yet run by and funded by the government(socialized medicine) still compete with each other using good management and marketing skills. I kind of get that. It is very,very limited form of capitalism(free enterprise).

originally posted by LDNCatholic
They aren’t as prominent nor as serious as the Evangelicals in America.

originally posted by Kaninchen
Less than 10 percent of Brits are seriously religiously observant - Religious Conservatives form only a minority of that minority.

originally posted by Kaninchen
I’m sorry for poor Catholic pharmacists, the rich ones, I can’t say I’m bothered about one way or another, unless they have some kind of personal tragedy, of course.

So there is no real Christian opposition to what is happening. By the last statement make by Kaninchen, it would appear that there is an anti-Christian influence.

originally posted** by Kaninchen**
So, you believe that the UK has passed through State control of the means of production, distribution and exchange and that the State has withered away, while still believing that it has a government?

I believe that the UK(state) has control of the means of production, distribution and exchange of condoms and birth control and has grown stronger and is using its power to force free distribution through state pharmacies to its citizens. That is what Communism does.

originally posted** by Kadaveri**
On the other hand I’d say it has the opposite effect, as since there’s no profit involved the health workers have nothing to gain from encouraging women to have an abortion, whereas with a private health system abortions are a product they’re trying to sell.

Not true. The health care work departments seeks to gain more jobs, higher pay and an expanded budget for its work.

 

[Kaninchen]

Not living there it is difficult to understand how it works. So the pharmacies even though not privately owned and operated yet run by and funded by the government(socialized medicine) still compete with each other using good management and marketing skills. I kind of get that. It is very,very limited form of capitalism(free enterprise).

They’re not funded by the government. People take their prescriptions to whichever pharmacy they wish - to branches of one of the big chains or to smaller or, even, individual outlets. It’s up to pharmacists to attract the trade.

If they wish to gain funding for government initiative work, they apply for it, if they don’t, they don’t.

So there is no real Christian opposition to what is happening. By the last statement make by Kaninchen, it would appear that there is an anti-Christian influence.

Why do you assume that? Brits aren’t ‘anti-Christian’ so much as indifferent to organized religion.

I believe that the UK(state) has control of the means of production, distribution and exchange of condoms and birth control and has grown stronger and is using its power to force free distribution through state pharmacies to its citizens.

The UK Government does not own condom firms and does not control the sale of condoms. It has initiatives that make available condoms and birth control products which is something quite, quite different.

That is what Communism does.

That’s the kind of thing that Americans say when they’re being lazy. Interestingly, the regimes that called themselves ‘communist’ were pretty lazy on the birth control front - they used surgical abortion as birth control.

I’ve said this to you before but I’ll say it again. Europe is not part of the American political debate - different countries, different cultures - the fact that you don’t like the idea of socialized medicine is meaningless in a European context.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by Kaninchen
They’re not funded by the government. People take their prescriptions to whichever pharmacy they wish - to branches of one of the big chains or to smaller or, even, individual outlets. It’s up to pharmacists to attract the trade.

If they wish to gain funding for government initiative work, they apply for it, if they don’t, they don’t.

So are the majority of pharmacies privately owned and funded?

Do they get a choice in what they stock? Or are they mainly funded through the government and if so told what to stock?

That’s the kind of thing that Americans say when they’re being lazy. Interestingly, the regimes that called themselves ‘communist’ were pretty lazy on the birth control front - they used surgical abortion as birth control.

I am sure a Communist nation like China promotes free condoms and birth control but when that fails they force women to get abortions.

 

[Kaninchen]

So are the majority of pharmacies privately owned and funded?

I’m not aware of any that are not.

Do they get a choice in what they stock? Or are they mainly funded through the government and if so told what to stock?

I’ve told you that they’re not government-funded several times already. They can obtain funds for being involved in government initiatives - giving advice and help over giving up smoking is a major example - but that’s a side-line.

As commercial enterprises their stock and ordering will reflect their market - the prescriptions that doctors give to patients and patients take to pharmacists - as regards drugs etc. Their stock and range of non-prescription pharmaceuticals and general commercial items will depend on their retail expertise and space available.

I am sure a Communist nation like China promotes free condoms and birth control but when that fails they force women to get abortions.

Since when has China been in Europe?

 

[gam197]

Originally Posted by gam197
So are the majority of pharmacies privately owned and funded?

originally posted by Kaninchen
I’m not aware of any that are not.

OK so they are privately owned and funded.

So it would seem they can order what they want to stock.

When the government wants to endorse an initiatives such as free condoms and emergency contraception, the government must offer them good cash, tax breaks or somethings so they will buy into the initiative. Otherwise, why would anyone do it. Here is the government(state) influencing the private(pharmacy) to convince them to participate. So it is the pharmaceutical owners who are also corrupt in that they don’t care.

Nevertheless, in order to issue a new National Health Service contract, the applicant must show that a new contract is necessary or desirable for the provision of a pharmaceutical service under the National Health to the residents of that area.

Saw this on internet -so maybe the UK(state) could withdraw their license?

 

[Kaninchen]

Here is the government(state) influencing the private(pharmacy) to convince them to participate.

It may surprise you to know that the UK is, actually, a (very) adversarial democracy - with elections and everything - and a press that often verges on the rabid.

The UK is not America, the preoccupations are not American. In America, it’s difficult to get elected without mentioning religion, in the UK, mentioning religion is something politicians tend to avoid.

So it is the pharmaceutical owners who are also corrupt in that they don’t care.

That’s your value judgment.

Saw this on internet -so maybe the UK(state) could withdraw their license?

That applies to ‘community pharmacies’ (the question of government initiatives etc) and has to do with supply and demand.

 

[gam197]

From Wikipedia…

Alliance Boots is the dominant pharmacy chain in Britain with a 17% market share[1]…

On the 25th April 2007, Alliance Boots was approached with a buy-out offer by New York City-based Private Equity firm Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, for an estimated £11billion. Alliance Boots has become the first company on the FTSE 100 share index to be bought-out by a private equity firm.

I was looking at ownership of UK pharmacies.

It is my value judgment that the UK(state) is in bed with the pharmacies(private) for a price and are pushing these free condom and free pill initiatives.

originally posted by Kaninchen
when has China been in Europe?

The UK has a lot in common with China and the UK seems to moving in their direction when it comes to reproduction.

 

[Kaninchen]

It is my value judgment that the UK(state) is in bed with the pharmacies(private) for a price and are pushing these free condom and free pill initiatives.

Wow!

The UK has a lot in common with China and the UK seems to moving in their direction when it comes to reproduction.

It’s nice to find that science fiction fans are alive and well.

 

[LDNCatholic]

The UK has a lot in common with China and the UK seems to moving in their direction when it comes to reproduction.

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[Yellow_Belle]

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