British growing more liberal

[Titus]

Does no-one here ever wonder that we Catholics give off a fairly scary impression to atheists like Migueliones when we talk about atheists (= people who disagree with us) as ‘post-human wraiths’?

Liberalism to my mind has become a dirty word because it is so associated with the Culture of Death. But I embrace a lot of liberalism and it’s seriously bad play to associate opposition to socialised healthcare- for example - with opposition to abortion (something which is often implied when conservatives talk about the liberal-conservative split). I can be a liberal on many issues while remaining a fully orthodox Catholic. Agreed?

 

[LDNCatholic]

Does no-one here ever wonder that we Catholics give off a fairly scary impression to atheists like Migueliones when we talk about atheists (= people who disagree with us) as ‘post-human wraiths’?

Titus, you live in London. as a future ‘‘post human wraith’’ I don’t think your opinion matters Mine neither unfortunately. Then again, we have two choices according to mschrank (and a few others) this painful sounding mutation, or becoming a dhimmi when the UK becomes the UC-United Caliphate.

 

[mschrank]

Hey, say what you like, I lived as one for a long time. It sucked. No, I wasn’t a Catholic when I lived in the UK. I didn’t go to church. Nothing, no spiritual life whatsoever.

I’m not talking about value here. I’m not saying these people are less than human in terms of worth, or that God doesn’t love them. This is not Fred Phelpsism.

I’m just saying that their experience of what life is, and why we’re here, and how we ought to live, is so radically different than most people who have ever lived for the last million years that its really hard to call them human from the experiential sense.

Just think about it. As human beings, our essence is less than fixed. Dogs always act doggy and cats always catty but humans can be unhuman, or more ‘post-human’.

Whether post-human is good or bad is totally up to the individual and his or her beliefs. If you think that “meaning” and “purpose” and “religion” are nothing more than evolutionary spandrels which must be cast off, then post-human is actually more like “super human”, or in one philosopher’s words, announces the emergence of the “uberman” in the same way human was ‘post-quadripedal primate’.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Hey, say what you like, I lived as one for a long time. It sucked. No, I wasn’t a Catholic when I lived in the UK. I didn’t go to church. Nothing, no spiritual life whatsoever.

I’m not talking about value here. I’m not saying these people are less than human in terms of worth, or that God doesn’t love them. This is not Fred Phelpsism.

I’m just saying that their experience of what life is, and why we’re here, and how we ought to live, is so radically different than most people who have ever lived for the last million years that its really hard to call them human from the experiential sense.

Just think about it. As human beings, our essence is less than fixed. Dogs always act doggy and cats always catty but humans can be unhuman, or more ‘post-human’.

Whether post-human is good or bad is totally up to the individual and his or her beliefs. If you think that “meaning” and “purpose” and “religion” are nothing more than evolutionary spandrels which must be cast off, then post-human is actually more like “super human”, or in one philosopher’s words, announces the emergence of the “uberman” in the same way human was ‘post-quadripedal primate’.

Ah I’m only joking around anyway. Sometimes it doesn’t look that way but at the end of the day theres no sense getting into angry debates with people you don’t know. I just find it somewhat funny that we never hear these kind of ‘‘warnings’’ over here from anyone except the racist scum. Only Americans warn us of this impending doom .

 

[slyboots]

I recently read in the Nation Catholic Registry that in the UK there are now more Catholics than Anglicans. No surprise really considering the Anglican church’s recent attitudes.

 

[LDNCatholic]

I recently read in the Nation Catholic Registry that in the UK there are now more Catholics than Anglicans. No surprise really considering the Anglican church’s recent attitudes.

Whats with the frown? We’re just taking back what we’re owed

 

[Dale_M]

Dale_M:

Well, you’re an atheist so you can adopt any moral position which suits you! Of course, us Catholics are forbidden to even contemplate pre-marital sex.

Well, to an extent. I don’t have morals ‘dictated’ - for lack of a better term - by an institution to me, yes. But just because you don’t believe in God doesn’t mean you don’t have morals.

Oh, absolutely (unless you are a wraith, in which case you are controlled by the Dark One and have no choice). I’m sorry I didn’t reply earlier, I lost track of the thread.

LDNCatholic:

Only Americans warn us of this impending doom

I don’t understand why a large section (well, a vocal section, anyways) of the U.S. public are so worked up about some rising Islamic tide. I think many of them fall also into the “secure the borders” camp (which also strikes me as a bit strange).

I’m not sure how it plays overseas, but American politics often puzzle me.

 

[Kaninchen]

Whats with the frown? We’re just taking back what we’re owed

Yup but it’s all those Polish plumbers - soon the UK will have to scour the Muslim world for plumbers to avoid the country turning into a scrabble-board nightmare.

Americans really should keep up with current European paranoias before threatening us with our paranoias of a few years ago.

 

[Kaninchen]

I won’t be here much longer, Cali is suppose to drop off the continent due to all our sinning.

Hm, when I lived in California, quite a bit of it seemed rather naughty but lots of it seemed not naughty at all - in comparison with, say, Ibiza!

At least you don’t face a war between Poles and Muslims for the plumbing market. :whacky:

 

[LDNCatholic]

Yup but it’s all those Polish plumbers - soon the UK will have to scour the Muslim world for plumbers to avoid the country turning into a scrabble-board nightmare.

Americans really should keep up with current European paranoias before threatening us with our paranoias of a few years ago.

Good point…those damn immigrants…haven’t you heard?! England is already 50% non white and English people are a minority in their own country!!! Us pure English people have to be careful! except…I’m not one of them…point withdrawn

 

[LDNCatholic]

At least you don’t face a war between Poles and Muslims for the plumbing market. :whacky:

Not forgetting the battle for the building sites.

 

[Kaninchen]

Good point…those damn immigrants…haven’t you heard?! England is already 50% non white and English people are a minority in their own country!!! Us pure English people have to be careful! except…I’m not one of them…point withdrawn

Oh no, like me you’re part of the problem - hm, well, actually we were yesterday’s problem and I’m not even non-pure English!

Funny how England gets so white about a mile or so from the center of any city, isn’t it?

[Not including London of course which is lots and lots of cities pretending to be *a city - like LA]

 

[Kaninchen]

Not forgetting the battle for the building sites.

The Poles have won - only Albanians imported from Italy can save us now.

 

[Kaninchen]

I’m not sure how it plays overseas, but American politics often puzzle me.

What used to puzzle me, when I lived in America, was just how long most American national politicians would last in the highly adversarial system of, say, the UK (especially with the ferocity of the UK press) - usually “not long” was my guess. They seemed so terribly shielded.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Oh no, like me you’re part of the problem - hm, well, actually we were yesterday’s problem and I’m not even non-pure English!

Funny how England gets so white about a mile or so from the center of any city, isn’t it?

[Not including London of course which is lots and lots of cities pretending to be *a

city - like LA]

Yeah…well I suppose we’ve outed ourselves and our foreign plot to overthrow the queen.

As for that second part, I wouldn’t know, I don’t really go far outside of London…too white for me

 

[LDNCatholic]

The Poles have won - only Albanians imported from Italy can save us now.

Oh I don’t know, there still are a couple of traditional English bulding crews, i.e completely composed of Irish workers . And not just the ‘‘I’ll do yir driveway fer ya’’, knock on the door type building crews either.

 

[Kaninchen]

Yeah…well I suppose we’ve outed ourselves and our foreign plot to overthrow the queen.

I thought you lot were determined to force them to become Catholics or something?

As for that second part, I wouldn’t know, I don’t really go far outside of London…too white for me

You’re allowed to be a bit exotic north of Watford but not in the Cotswolds.

 

[Kaninchen]

Oh I don’t know, there still are a couple of traditional English bulding crews, i.e completely composed of Irish workers . And not just the ‘‘I’ll do yir driveway fer ya’’, knock on the door type building crews either.

I thought that the Irish all had to go back and work in ‘Software’ or something - so these must be roaming bands of recusant refugees doomed to roam the earth forever, refusing to conform with the demands of The Tiger Economy.

 

[LDNCatholic]

I thought that the Irish all had to go back and work in ‘Software’ or something - so these must be roaming bands of recusant refugees doomed to roam the earth forever, refusing to conform with the demands of The Tiger Economy.

There are still a few of them clinging on to England. They were over in Ireland for 750 years, payback time now. Course my parents are getting ready to immigrate back to Ireland when they retire. Now the irony is my dad is one of those ‘‘I’M PURE ENGLISH MATE!’’ sorts. Always bemoaning the evils of immigrants. The irony being:

He married an immigrant. A Catholic one

Although he can’t stand the thought of immigrants coming to England, he sees no problem leaving the country and becoming an immigrant in Ireland.

But I digress. The Irish immigrants are going strong, my Muslim mates have to be constantly reminded that they’re just copying our ideas and adding a twist to it.

EDIT: for the last post. Yes they’ll all become Catholic, or Muslim, or Sikh, anything but Protestant.
Watford? I’m not that adventurous. No sir, unless the road signs are bilingual I’m out of my depth.

 

[anamchara]

Hm, when I lived in California, quite a bit of it seemed rather naughty but lots of it seemed not naughty at all - in comparison with, say, Ibiza!

At least you don’t face a war between Poles and Muslims for the plumbing market.

which parts? :ehh::tsktsk:

No we face something worse, Mexicans crossing our borders! Oh the horrors! The illegals are just coming over to get on welfare and get free medical and education!! They are forcing English out of our schools and goverment buildings next thing you know we will be taken over!