Burger King sells gay pride Whopper

[SMGS127]

I think you’re over reacting there. Noone thinks a company is in a acid pit of immorality for helping someone.
It’s just. That homosexuality is a sin. And if someone says “Hey we support this sin, so come spend your money on us!” Then we should say no. Because supporting that company is supporting that sin. Plain and simple. So really, by buying a pride whopper. You are going against Gods commandments.

By agreeing that “we’re all the same inside” and helping support scholarships for LGBT kids, I’m going against God’s commandments?

I guess I misheard the commandment that said “thou shall not affirm the human dignity of gays and lesbians” when I went through RCIA.

 

[latin_rite]

By agreeing that “we’re all the same inside” and helping support scholarships for LGBT kids, I’m going against God’s commandments?

I guess I misheard the commandment that said “thou shall not affirm the human dignity of gays and lesbians” when I went through RCIA.

Show me where i have said i do not think gays and lesbians should not be treated with dignity?
Where have i even hinted at the idea they do not deserve to be treated with dignity?

Sometimes the lbgt community reminds me of a spoiled child,

 

[Memaw]

It’s not. I think people get worked up way too much about gay people. We’re just like anyone else in the world, and those who are actively gay are just sinners, like everyone else. There is nothing somehow uniquely more sinister about actively gay people than any other sin. I’ve never understood why people feel the need to slam gays (or those who show support for gays, especially those who merely show abstract support for gays, like rainbows).

Seriously, I wish people would just let gay people live their lives. If they sin, they sin, and that’s a personal responsibility they have to themselves. We can (and should) preach the Gospel, but there’s only so much we’re supposed to do. We don’t need to be the self-proclaimed nannies helping hold the hand of every gay person on the planet.

And most of all, can we be respectful to them, please? I seriously feel like every thread that’s like “X company decided to help homeless LGBT teens!” looks like a giant red Drudge siren with “X company falls into acid pit of immorality” on CAF. It makes me feel so sad for members of my religion.

The fact that they are sinning is bad enough, but that they are trying to “force” the rest of us to make it legal and acceptable is what’s bad for our society and our young people. I don’t see thieves trying to make us accept theft as legal and I don’t see adulterers marching down the street with their married partner. I doubt anyone on here would want it to be legal for someone to steal their new car, or anything else. Prayers for all including those of us who accept all this as justifiable in the eyes of God. God love us but HE does not love sin!! Read the Bible. God Bless, Memaw

 

[SMGS127]

Show me where i have said i do not think gays and lesbians should not be treated with dignity?
Where have i even hinted at the idea they do not deserve to be treated with dignity?

Sometimes the lbgt community reminds me of a spoiled child,

You said:

So really, by buying a pride whopper. You are going against Gods commandments.

The Pride Whopper served two purposes. It said “we’re all the same inside” and it raised money to help LGBT kids go to college. So which of these two do you think violates God’s commandments?

The fact that they are sinning is bad enough, but that they are trying to “force” the rest of us to make it legal and acceptable is what’s bad for our society and our young people. I don’t see thieves trying to make us accept theft as legal and I don’t see adulterers marching down the street with their married partner. I doubt anyone on here would want it to be legal for someone to steal their new car, or anything else. Prayers for all including those of us who accept all this as justifiable in the eyes of God. God love us but HE does not love sin!! Read the Bible. God Bless, Memaw

Thieves and adulterers hurt other people; gays don’t hurt anyone but themselves. So much more comparably, I do see those who enjoy marijuana advocating for its legality. I do see those with terminal illnesses advocating for physician-assisted suicide.

Let’s face it; America has the Wiccan attitude of “live your life however you want, as long as you don’t hurt anyone else.” This is not isolated to just gays, yet gays are the only group of people that Christians love to bash on national media. I don’t see people going on national television calling the terminally ill “pedophiles.” I don’t see people going on national television talking about how marijuana users are attempting to “recruit” children.

It’s ridiculous how persecuted the LGBT community is by conservative Christians. Anything remotely suggesting anything but complete intolerance of gays & lesbians is considered cowing to the “homosexual agenda” or “militant homosexuals,” etc. And worst, when someone has the courage to actually call one of these people homophobic, the person turns around and says “they called me homophobic cuz of my stance on marriage!” and completely ignores the actual reason they’re homophobic.

I don’t support SSM, but you know what? I’m polite to gays & lesbians, I love them as people, I treat them as my friends, I stick up for them. And I have been warmly accepted in the LGBT community as a result. Opposing SSM does not make you homophobic in the community. If you were called homophobic, you should re-evaluate your attitude, not cry persecution.

I am very proud of this BK franchise for doing what is right, standing up for the human dignity of gays and lesbians, and helping LGBT kids go to college. If I were in SF, I’d go get lunch there today.

 

[latin_rite]

You said:

The Pride Whopper served two purposes. It said “we’re all the same inside” and it raised money to help LGBT kids go to college. So which of these two do you think violates God’s commandments?
.

The one that suggest that it is ok to support people committing a sin. If you buy a whopper you are supporting that sin. Like the good book says. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

[gianfranco]

I agree - it is a beautiful city. I even lived there for a few years. But when the city itself does something like this:
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It’s slightly difficult to separate the two.

I would agree. And it is also difficult to believe this is simply about accepting a minority. I think not.

 

[SMGS127]

The one that suggest that it is ok to support people committing a sin. If you buy a whopper you are supporting that sin. Like the good book says. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Just because you’re gay or lesbian doesn’t mean you’re committing sin.

 

[Monkey1976]

The one that suggest that it is ok to support people committing a sin. If you buy a whopper you are supporting that sin. Like the good book says. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I think that the issue we’re getting hung up on is that while we all agree that people with same-sex attractions are due the same respect and dignity, popular culture insists that to support homosexual persons, we must support homosexual activity. I don’t think that anyone here would have a problem with scholarships for students with same-sex attraction. As SMGS127 pointed out, there are still many families - especially among fundamentalist Protestants - that will throw their own child onto the streets because of same-sex attraction, whether it was acted upon or not. I also doubt that anyone can object to the message that we are all the same inside. We are all fallen, we are all subject to concupiscence, and we are all in need of God’s Grace. In some people, it manifests as an inclination to steal. In others, an addiction to pornography. In others, an attraction to the same sex.

The problem comes in when we accept what culture is insisting upon: That actions and attractions are the same thing. That the dignity of homosexual persons rests not in their identity as human persons loved by God, but in what they choose to do with their genitals. That’s the question behind this move by Burger King: Do we take their statement at face value, or do we suspect them of promoting the culture’s view of homosexuality?

 

[SMGS127]

I think that the issue we’re getting hung up on is that while we all agree that people with same-sex attractions are due the same respect and dignity, popular culture insists that to support homosexual persons, we must support homosexual activity. I don’t think that anyone here would have a problem with scholarships for students with same-sex attraction. As SMGS127 pointed out, there are still many families - especially among fundamentalist Protestants - that will throw their own child onto the streets because of same-sex attraction, whether it was acted upon or not. I also doubt that anyone can object to the message that we are all the same inside. We are all fallen, we are all subject to concupiscence, and we are all in need of God’s Grace. In some people, it manifests as an inclination to steal. In others, an addiction to pornography. In others, an attraction to the same sex.

The problem comes in when we accept what culture is insisting upon: That actions and attractions are the same thing. That the dignity of homosexual persons rests not in their identity as human persons loved by God, but in what they choose to do with their genitals. That’s the question behind this move by Burger King: Do we take their statement at face value, or do we suspect them of promoting the culture’s view of homosexuality?

I honestly don’t think it matters what the Burger King franchise owner personally believes. I think actions (unless a political/governmental thing, where actions can end up slippery sloping) should be determined at face value. And his actions are completely in line with Church teaching. They should not be criticized merely because people believe him to also support gay marriage. I personally believe he probably does support gay marriage (though I can never know someone’s heart). But his Pride Whopper in no way contributes to the legalization of such, and the action of creating the Pride Whopper was a good and moral one which only had good and moral effects to it. So why are we criticizing it? .

 

[Memaw]

You said:

The Pride Whopper served two purposes. It said “we’re all the same inside” and it raised money to help LGBT kids go to college. So which of these two do you think violates God’s commandments?

Thieves and adulterers hurt other people; gays don’t hurt anyone but themselves. So much more comparably, I do see those who enjoy marijuana advocating for its legality. I do see those with terminal illnesses advocating for physician-assisted suicide.

Let’s face it; America has the Wiccan attitude of “live your life however you want, as long as you don’t hurt anyone else.” This is not isolated to just gays, yet gays are the only group of people that Christians love to bash on national media. I don’t see people going on national television calling the terminally ill “pedophiles.” I don’t see people going on national television talking about how marijuana users are attempting to “recruit” children.

It’s ridiculous how persecuted the LGBT community is by conservative Christians. Anything remotely suggesting anything but complete intolerance of gays & lesbians is considered cowing to the “homosexual agenda” or “militant homosexuals,” etc. And worst, when someone has the courage to actually call one of these people homophobic, the person turns around and says “they called me homophobic cuz of my stance on marriage!” and completely ignores the actual reason they’re homophobic.

I don’t support SSM, but you know what? I’m polite to gays & lesbians, I love them as people, I treat them as my friends, I stick up for them. And I have been warmly accepted in the LGBT community as a result. Opposing SSM does not make you homophobic in the community. If you were called homophobic, you should re-evaluate your attitude, not cry persecution.

I am very proud of this BK franchise for doing what is right, standing up for the human dignity of gays and lesbians, and helping LGBT kids go to college. If I were in SF, I’d go get lunch there today.

You don’t think they hurt other people then you must have your head in the sand. They hurt themselves more than anybody. We don’t “love to bash” them but we don’t want their lifestyle forced on our society and our children any more than we would any other sinful lifestyle. God Bless. Memaw

 

[SMGS127]

You don’t think they hurt other people then you must have your head in the sand. They hurt themselves more than anybody. We don’t “love to bash” them but we don’t want their lifestyle forced on our society and our children any more than we would any other sinful lifestyle. God Bless. Memaw

I said they hurt themselves…I said:

SMGS127:

gays don’t hurt anyone but themselves.

So I don’t get your first sentence.

As for your second, no gay person wishes homosexuality on any kid ever. The community has literally no intention of bringing any kid “into the lifestyle.” They just promote self-acceptance of one’s SSAs, which is consistent with the Church. The only difference is that those in the gay community don’t think same-sex sex is sinful, just as those in the vast majority of the straight community don’t think opposite-sex premarital sex is sinful. If someone hears the gay community say that SSAs are fine and hears the Church say SSAs are fine and hears their parents say that the important thing is just not to act on your sexual attractions, they will not become actively gay. The problem is when kids hear the gay community say “it’s okay to love yourself” and their parents say “get rid of your SSAs now or get the hell out of my house;” it’s no wonder they blatantly ignore their parents in the latter case. But this is not an issue of the gay community “forcing” a “lifestyle” on children but rather parents completely abrograting their duty to teach self-love to their children.

All the gay community wants is for people (especially kids!) to be able to accept who they are, sexual orientation included, and love themselves. That’s why I get along fine with them despite being an orthodox Catholic.

 

[vz71]

All the gay community wants is for people (especially kids!) to be able to accept who they are, sexual orientation included, and love themselves. That’s why I get along fine with them despite being an orthodox Catholic.

My personal experience says otherwise.

My experience with homosexual individuals has demonstrated these individuals as demanding an acceptance of their sinful behavior.

 

[SMGS127]

My personal experience says otherwise.

My experience with homosexual individuals has demonstrated these individuals as demanding an acceptance of their sinful behavior.

Uhhh they may demand you not be a complete a*****e to them about it, but they won’t demand you “accept” them. No one really cares what other people think, but I know a lot of gay people who get tired of people preaching to them.

 

[vz71]

My experience with homosexual individuals has demonstrated these individuals as demanding an acceptance of their sinful behavior.

Uhhh they may demand you not be a complete a*****e to them about it, but they won’t demand you “accept” them. No one really cares what other people think, but I know a lot of gay people who get tired of people preaching to them.

Perhaps you should reread my quote.
I said nothing of acceptance of them.

Unless the distinction between the sin and the sinner is much thinner then I realized.

 

[SMGS127]

Perhaps you should reread my quote.
I said nothing of acceptance of them.

Unless the distinction between the sin and the sinner is much thinner then I realized.

I should have said “I know a lot of actively gay people who get tired of people preaching to them.”

I’ve never met a gay person who went up to a religious person eating lunch, minding their own business, and said “ACCEPT ME BEING ACTIVELY GAY.” I have known several who have had to tell religious (and non-religious) people off who wouldn’t mind their own business when they were out and about with their partner at restaurants, grocery stores, convenience stores, etc. etc.

 

[vz71]

I should have said “I know a lot of actively gay people who get tired of people preaching to them.”

Interesting that those active in sin have this issue but those that are not active apparently do not.

 

[SMGS127]

Interesting that those active in sin have this issue but those that are not active apparently do not.

Actively gay people have a visible sign that they are gay in the fact that they have their partner with them in public on occasion. That’s not that interesting, anymore than it’s obvious that an actively straight man is straight if he has a girl on his arm at the movies.

Gay people who are single are only identifiable by other gay people through gaydar. To an extent, it’s nice in that non-gay people aren’t rude to you specifically. To an extent, it’s horrible because some people confide in you how horrible they think gay people are without realizing who they’re talking to.

 

[CatholicSheila]

I don’t see adulterers marching down the street with their married partner.

Because it is already legal. It is acceptable for people to get divorced and remarried - and we are to assume the first marriage is valid until shown otherwise - so we are to assume they are all committing adultery.

I’ve never seen any outcry about this. Tto claim adulterers don’t want acceptance of their sin - that’s factually incorrect. It is also incorrect to say that Christians haven’t accepted their sin. The Church may not accept the second marriage but Christians including those who are so up in arms about SSM, have.

That adulterers have earned the freedom to do as they please, and be accepted for it, doesn’t make acting on SSA right. It does show hypocrisy on the part of Christians however.

 

[Dawnia]

Actively gay people have a visible sign that they are gay in the fact that they have their partner with them in public on occasion. That’s not that interesting, anymore than it’s obvious that an actively straight man is straight if he has a girl on his arm at the movies.

Gay people who are single are only identifiable by other gay people through gaydar. To an extent, it’s nice in that non-gay people aren’t rude to you specifically. To an extent, it’s horrible because some people confide in you how horrible they think gay people are without realizing who they’re talking to.

It’s not as big of a secret as you might think it is. Anyone paying attention, knows.

 

[CatholicSheila]

It’s not as big of a secret as you might think it is. Anyone paying attention, knows.

Whilst I’m sure there are occasions where do you pick someone is gay, what you are missing is how often you don’t realise.

I can’t count the number of times someone has said something less than pleasant about gays because they don’t realise that I am a lesbian myself. I’m not out, except to a very small number of people, so everyone assumes I am straight.

Trust us, you’re not picking it most of the time.