Can a Catholic be Democrat?

[Ridgerunner]

Some tell me that they are not for abortion, but they would not want to deny someone else that choice

If I never kill two year olds myself but support the right of others to do it with impunity, am I really innocent of the killing? We know I’m not.

I’m reminded of a true vignette in Solzhenitzyn’s “Gulag Archipelago”. A man was wrongfully condemned to death by the Bolshevik regime. He was innocent and they knew it but he was inconvenient to the rulers and besides, they had a “quota” of executions to meet.

The condemned man declared that as he was to be taken to the room where they shot people, he would turn to his jailer, who would not actually be the one to shoot him, and say; “It is you who are guilty of my death. It’s no longer Stalin. Nor Beria. Not the shooter yet, but you, and my murder will be on your head forever.”

And the moral wisdom of that condemned man surpassed all the excuses and euphemisms and “I’m personally opposed but…” declarations of our own murderous day, and show them for the lies that they are.

 

[Dan123]

When it comes to healthcare, have you been to the DMV?

I have, though not in awhile. It was pretty efficient too, I waited less than 10 minutes and the process at the counter (license renewal) took about 5. Most stuff I can do online as well, super convenient.

Have you ever had to deal with an insurance company refusing to cover a procedure they told you would be covered? They put even the DMV of old to complete shame. THAT’S who you want in charge?

 

[Willing_Spirit]

Writing laws that deter people from harming each other and law enforcement are a reason for the goverment’s existence. I don’t understand what you don’t understand about my perspective.

 

[Hodos]

I’m allowed to vote next election, and I am more a democrat than a republican, can I vote for a democrat given the abortion stance? And might I add abortion rates have dropped when there is a Democrat president, and I have proof thanks

I think the better question is can a Democrat be a Catholic (given the current party platform).

 

[Dan123]

The condemned man declared that as he was to be taken to the room where they shot people, he would turn to his jailer, who would not actually be the one to shoot him, and say; “It is you who are guilty of my death. It’s no longer Stalin. Nor Beria. Not the shooter yet, but you, and my murder will be on your head forever.”

Reminds me of a point someone made on the death penalty. Paraphrasing but “no system is perfect, and eventually it will make a mistake, it most likely already has. When the government kills someone in our name and they weren’t guilty, we’re all murderers.” I’m sure I butchered the eloquence of that.

 

[Feanor2]

Yes a Catholic can vote for a Democratic candidate.

 

[Willing_Spirit]

Maybe you are right, but my point is that while the most effective way to do things like improve the economy and provide quality healthcare for all is debatable, abortion is not (for a Catholic). It is murder and should be illegal. It’s allowance is an unjust law that needs correcting, an extreme oppresion.

I will vote for someone that intends to move laws in the right direction, restricting/eliminating allowances of abortion and cutting funds to providers, not corrupting the law further, allowing for later term abortions and increasing funds to providers.

Abortion is the most important issue, just as slavery once was. I’m still unclear about our obligations as Catholics and I do not intend to judge, but I will never understand the decision to vote pro-choice as a Catholic.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Yes a Catholic can vote for a Democratic candidate.

Yes. And a Catholic CAN kill an innocent person too, or steal a car or molest a child. But that does not mean he isn’t morally culpable. A Catholic cannot morally support a candidate who supports abortion in the absence of equally grave alternatives.

 

[TheLittleLady]

while pro-life candidates are an option.

Not everyone is willing to vote 3rd party to get a pro life candidate

 

[EvangelistVictor]

I doubt it, Pope Francis has said abortion is the top priority.

Edit: Nevermind, I was mistaken about what i read

I use to think like that. But our blessed Pope says caring for the poor is just as important as abortion. Republicans want to stop all abortions, . . . but reduce . . . social programs that . . . serve as . . . safety nets.

White women on welfare who vote for Trump got the shock of they’re lives when he cut some of their benefits. I guarantee you they won’t vote for him again.

“There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”

― George W. Bush

Trump’s Food Stamp Cuts Will Be Devastating to Trump Country

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[mythbuster1]

If you don’t like today’s Republican Party, you can try to change it by running for office. Have you considered running for State legislature?

 

[mythbuster1]

It is also written, “If any man will not work, let him not eat.” The work requirements only apply to able-bodied adults without children, in localities where unemployment is less than 7%. Able-bodied adults who can work and choose not to have no right to expect us to feed them (those who live off their wealth can do as they please, because they do not burden others with supporting them, but rather trade for whatever they need so that those who supply their needs benefit).

 

[Nepperhan]

Please do not confuse being in favor of freedom of religion and believing in the Constitution with being anti-Christian or anti-Catholic. No politician is forcing Catholic priests to perform same sex marriages, etc., despite what is posted here.

 

[EvangelistVictor]

It is also written, “If any man will not work, let him not eat.” The work requirements only apply to able-bodied adults without children, in localities where unemployment is less than 7%. Able-bodied adults who can work and choose not to have no right to expect us to feed them (those who live off their wealth can do as they please, because they do not burden others with supporting them, but rather trade for whatever they need so that those who supply their needs benefit).

Your taking that verse out of context, just like the devil did when he tempted Jesus in the desert. The great Apostle Paul was warning Christians at his time who where sitting around waiting for the Lords return, thinking it was gonna happen soon, which is why they weren’t working.

In Matthew 25:31-46 Jesus says this:

The Judgment of the Nations​

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats,
33 and he will put the sheep at his right hand and the goats at the left.
34 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;
35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,
36 I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.’
37 Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink?
38 And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing?
39 And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?’
40 And the king will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.’
41 Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels;
42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’
44 Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?’
45 Then he will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’
46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

 

[LaughingBoy1503]

Seems that a lot of union rank and file support Trump. Not the leadership.

I am a union construction worker and I can name almost 10 other co workers who are conservatives and support Trump. Myself included.

 

[on_the_hill]

Vote for whomever you feel will best represent you and what you hope the U.S. will be like during and after the president’s term.

 

[Dolphin]

I did not vote for Trump is 2016 and won’t again in 2020. I cannot vote for him and feel as if I’m being a faithful Christian

 

[mythbuster1]

How have I twisted Scripture? The Scriptures command us to aid the sick, the disabled, widows and orphans, and those who have fallen on hard times, not those who refuse to work.

 

[Mindblown]

I work in Accounting. Under Trump’s tax plan, the wealthy bracket were taxed BIG TIME and the middle class saved and the lower didn’t pay any at all. Whatever the media is telling you is hogwash brainwash. Last tax season, the clients of our firm in the top bracket/the rich were all saying though conservative, it might be hard to vote Trump again due to giving away half their income. It’ll be interesting to see what they say this tax season as so many other factors are at play. I think they’ll be voting Trump 2020. . . .

Regarding abortions - Trump is giving planned parenthood a lot of grief - rightfully so. No President has EVER done more to defend the MOST innocent and MOST defenseless. After seeing Democrat’s defend the planned parenthood monsters caught on tape promoting the sale of babies, how can anyone with a conscious vote for a Democrat?

 

[upant]

Our USCCB have given clear directions:

remember the bishop placed the priority on abortion in their Fall 2019 General Assembly in Baltimore? Is the link updated?

what most people miss in this link is the fact that the bishops state a person cannot vote for a candidate who favors a policy promoting an intrinsic evil such as abortion and most democrat politicians do and all of the democratic presidential candidates do. they all favor the policy.

(bold mine)

A Catholic cannot vote for a candidate who favors a policy promoting an
> intrinsically evil act, such as abortion, euthanasia, assisted suicide, deliberately subjecting workers or the poor to subhuman living conditions, redefining marriage in ways that violate its essential meaning, or racist behavior, if the voter’s intent is to support that position. In such cases, a Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in grave evil.

No politician is forcing Catholic priests to perform same sex marriages, etc., despite what is posted here.

not yet, but it is an agenda item of the LGBTQ and a vote for a democrat brings it closer to reality.

“Do you think religious institutions like colleges, churches, charities — should they lose their tax-exempt status if they oppose same-sex marriage?”

O’Rourke answered “Yes.” He added: “There can be no reward, no benefit, no tax break for anyone or any institution, any organization in America that denies the full human rights and the full civil rights of every single one of us. So as president, we’re going to make that a priority and we are going to stop those who are infringing upon the human rights of our fellow Americans.” (LA Times)