Can a marriage survive this?

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Just went to the gym. It’s right across the street from the store. She asked me if I went in to the store, I played it like maybe/maybe not. I didn’t do it. (I wanted to, but didn’t). But just hearing her squirm on the other end of the phone was good.

Might have been bad of me, but it felt good. And, I really didn’t do anything wrong other that pass along the feeling of what it’s like…just a little bit.
 
She asked me if I went in to the store, I played it like maybe/maybe not. I didn’t do it. (I wanted to, but didn’t)
Why didn’t you?

Don’t you have a right to visit you wife?

Were you afraid of something or were you being polite?
 
Just went to the gym. It’s right across the street from the store. She asked me if I went in to the store, I played it like maybe/maybe not. I didn’t do it. (I wanted to, but didn’t). But just hearing her squirm on the other end of the phone was good.

Might have been bad of me, but it felt good. And, I really didn’t do anything wrong other that pass along the feeling of what it’s like…just a little bit.
See this is what i mean. You are hurting and mad and you have every reason to be so. But just remember that when someone is hurting they want to get even. Just watch that love doesnt turn into hate. Thats why she has to stop now. Trust me if she doesnt realize it, its going to be too late. And you may never be able to forgive her. When someone breaks the bond of trust, for some there is no going back. I just dont want that to happen to you guys.
 
I think I would not recommend this…could backfire if the wife kicks him out and he is suddenly “available”. It would make repairing your marriage so much more of an uphill battle than it really is.
Trust me she knows, a woman always knows, especially a loser like him. your wife isnt the first and wont be the last. Its just a shame she doesnt see that. Men like that love to try to break up people and hurt inocent people. The sad thing is he doesnt want your wife either, its a shame she cant see it. If she would look the other way she would be replaced in a heartbeat. He knows how marriage can have its up and downs, and usually at 7 or 8 years some sooner, some later, you have second thoughts. Everyone does. But they go away as fast as they come. Unless someone like this jerk gets wind of it. This is a way of life for him. And who i really feel sorry for is the kids, im not sure if you have them but i believe you guys do. thats who is going to really get torn up she needs to see this. you really should let her read this stuff. But it may make it worse for you. Just another reason for her to hurt you. I feel for you man
 
Why didn’t you?

Don’t you have a right to visit you wife?

Were you afraid of something or were you being polite?
I didn’t go in because she wasn’t there. I would have been going in for the sole purpose of making him squirm. I told her, I’m not afraid any more, and she said “what does that mean?” I didn’t give her an answer. She thinks I’m being mean, but I’m just getting stronger, learning to stand up for us and for what’s right.

It’s good enough to me that as of 5:45 tonight, she still wasn’t sure that I went in or not. She said she didn’t know whether to believe that I was telling the truth or not. Feels good to know she’s getting a taste, no matter how small.
 
Step 1 - go to confession…CHECK!

Just went to confession with the priest that I confided in last summer. Afterward, we sat and talked for about 40 minutes or so. Best lunch in a long time. (Now I get to eat, finally)

Step 2 - full participation at Mass…coming soon!

“Be not afraid…”

Not anymore.
 
Step 1 - go to confession…CHECK!

Just went to confession with the priest that I confided in last summer. Afterward, we sat and talked for about 40 minutes or so. Best lunch in a long time. (Now I get to eat, finally)

Step 2 - full participation at Mass…coming soon!

“Be not afraid…”

Not anymore.
you are on the right track
 
By advising you to make sure she understands how she is hurting you, I meant through clear communication and a refusal to give into her relativist conversations, that she must have daily with you and in her head to continue this behavior.

Acting revengefully, or reciprocating her behavior, will probably only give her more reason to continue her infidelity, and in fact will be solid justification in her mind, compared to the drivel of “friendship” she has been using thus far.

I would try acting not similarly, but completely opposite of her. Everytime she tries to reassure you, worry her. Everytime she says it’s no big deal, talk about it as if it is a big deal. Everytime she says it is just friendship, call it infidelity. Etc etc. That’s what I was trying to say.

😦
 
I know. I don’t act vengefully. Yesterday, a unique opportunity presented itself, and I thought I’d see how it played out. It was nice to know she was afraid of something for a change.

So, on to another question. As far as I know, the other man’s wife does not know. Do I have a right or responsibility to fill her in? I don’t plan on it, but if things dont change soon, I may be resorting to some drastic measures.
 
I know. I don’t act vengefully. Yesterday, a unique opportunity presented itself, and I thought I’d see how it played out. It was nice to know she was afraid of something for a change.

So, on to another question. As far as I know, the other man’s wife does not know. Do I have a right or responsibility to fill her in? I don’t plan on it, but if things dont change soon, I may be resorting to some drastic measures.
Just remember that hurting another inocent person isnt always the right answer. but the threat of telling her now thats another thing.
 
Like I tell other people with certain family issues, call Dr. Laura Schlessinger; that’s 1-800-DRLAURA. I am serious.

It’s a shame that you do not have a priest/pastor (not sure if you’re Catholic) to trust to ask this question.

Dr. Laura is very wise. She was raised by a Catholic Italian (immigrant) mother and a Jewish father. She is a practicing Jew. She has been known to tell Catholic callers, ‘You have a Catechism in your house? If every Catholic would read their Catechism we’d be in better shape’ - or something to that effect.

I’m not saying you need to tell her you’re Catholic. I only mention her background in case you want to know her qualifications. She is more than qualified.

Find where she is located on the radio dial by visiting her website.

I’ve listened to her for four or five years. I think I’ve heard her reply to this very situation but I’m not qualified to give you advise.
 
I used to listen to Doc L. Been a long time, though.

I’m just trying to figure out all of this, how do I approach all of this? Do I present counselling as an option first? Do I issue ultimatums?

Ideally, what I want, is for her to make the choice. I don’t want to demand that she do anything. After all, if it’s not her choice, what good is it? I just need to be able to present my case in a very firm, non-threatening manner. (I’m still new to this assertiveness thing.)
 
RJ - I’ve been trying to keep up with your situation here… and I’m still praying for you…

I think you are on the right track. I wouldn’t push her TOO hard about marriage counseling just yet. Give her a couple more weeks, however, you DO need to encourage her to go alone.

Again, don’t push her.

Has she told you that she’s not talking to him anymore, etc? Is she talking to you about him at all?

I really, really think you’ve got to get her out of that job. It’s hard enough for a marriage to survive with those type of hours the both of you are working, but throw an emotional affair in the mix, that’s not good. When she begged you not to MAKE her quit her job…what did you say?

You’ve got to be tough, yet, compasionate. And I know that it’s hard. Maybe you should talk to Mr. Romeo.

If you need to, we can PM. I don’t mind.

Again, remind her that if he were perfect, he’d have a great marriage. Grass is not always greener on the other side. My DH had come creative ways to describe this…and it made a lot of sense to me, but I shouldn’t post it on public forum.

Is your wife suffering from depression?
 
I used to listen to Doc L. Been a long time, though.

I’m just trying to figure out all of this, how do I approach all of this? Do I present counselling as an option first? Do I issue ultimatums?

Ideally, what I want, is for her to make the choice. I don’t want to demand that she do anything. After all, if it’s not her choice, what good is it? I just need to be able to present my case in a very firm, non-threatening manner. (I’m still new to this assertiveness thing.)
If you want to know that SHE wants to work on the marriage, an ultimatum will backfire. If she takes action then, it will be because she felt threatened. Not a good way to start down the road of reconnecting.

You can tell her how YOU feel. Not how she makes you feel, but how you feel. “When I think about you spending time with XYZ instead of talking to me, I feel ABC”, and so on. You can tell her you’re seeking help in counseling and that you’d like it if she would join you or seek counseling on her own. You can ask her how she thinks you SHOULD be reacting, given how you just told her you feel. You can tell her you see that this relationship is really damaging your marriage. She may not agree. You can ask her what she DOES think is damaging the marriage, then, because it’s clrea something is not right. Maybe she’ll have some enlightening things to say.

In short, tell the truth, and don’t act angrily, threaten, or give ultimatums.

ALSO…remember that this is not a race against time. Don’t feel like you have to act or get action out of her right away. Recovery doesn’t work that way.

There is a book I suggest a lot, “Rebuilding When Your Relationship Ends” by Bruce Fisher. It’s for people who are divorced, but the chapter on TRANSITION may be helpful to spouses of people having EAs. Here’s what I posted on a group I belong to about the chapter:

"Some of you know I’m divorced and have been in counseling for a couple of months. My counselor has me working through a great, older book called “Rebuilding: When your relationship ends” by Bruce Fisher.

Until now, I haven’t suggested it because it deals mostly with post-divorce issues. But I want to suggest that those of you in marriages dealing with an emotional affair might pick up a copy and read the chapter on “Transition”. It lays out the best explanation of WHY emotional affairs happen that I have read to date. It also offers some great insights into what might be going on in your spouse’s mind at the time of the “affair” and some tips for getting through it with the relationship intact.

To summarize what Fisher says, many spouses who are trying to deal with issues from their families of origin may go into a normal rebellion stage (think teenager) at an unexpected time. Part of this rebellion leads then to get away from their spouse, especially if the spouse is a caretaker type or over-responsible (like I am/was…and my ex was probably lead to marry me because I was over-responsible and allowed him to be unresponsible for a lot of things…because of some issues in his family). The rebellious spouse then forms a deep relationship with an outside party, hurting the “parenting” spouse…but, ironically, often the new “friend” is ALSO a parenting type and the cycle starts over again. (I can clearly see this is what happened in the case of my ex.)

Fisher’s biggest advice for dealing with this: realize what might be going on in your spouse’s head and STOP EXPECTING YOUR OWN HAPPINESS TO COME FROM THE SPOUSE. Get fulfillment from your own life, work, friends, family, and activities. I’m amazed and so proud of the members of this board who I’ve heard saying this for a year now…

I feel like Bruce Fisher must have been following me around for years and taking notes. The book can be hard to find, try Amazon or Barnes and Noble online. I also have seen a few on Paperback Swap where I am a member."
 
So, on to another question. As far as I know, the other man’s wife does not know. Do I have a right or responsibility to fill her in? I don’t plan on it, but if things dont change soon, I may be resorting to some drastic measures.
From someone who received that phone call, I would do it.

Two on two evens the odds.
 
You guys are so good to me.
To summarize what Fisher says, many spouses who are trying to deal with issues from their families of origin may go into a normal rebellion stage (think teenager) at an unexpected time. Part of this rebellion leads then to get away from their spouse, especially if the spouse is a caretaker type or over-responsible . The rebellious spouse then forms a deep relationship with an outside party, hurting the “parenting” spouse…but, ironically, often the new “friend” is ALSO a parenting type and the cycle starts over again.
Sounds pretty darn familiar…

As far as depression…I don’t know. Maybe.
 
I’ve been married for 16 yrs. As I know, woman can’t accept if other woman is also share the heart of her husband.
And I think, men also don’t want to see other competitor in his marriage.
So, it might be probably but impossible to maintain a health marriage family with other woman or man
 
RascalJones, the answer is yes. Not only can a marriage survive it but it can thrive afterwards. I have been through it.

I along with others in the thread, HIGHLY recommend the marriage builders website, read everything there. The affair in my marriage had basically ended the marriage, she was starting the divorce ball rolling,and I was at the breaking point and praying and praying. I had no idea what to do spinning between “I’ll do anything to get her back” and “I hate her for the pain she has caused me and I want her to leave and am better off with out her”. Eventually the Holy Spirit literally took over my body, tsat me at the computer, and led me to the marriage builders website. The road was still incredibly difficult but thank the Lord we made it, I will pray for the same result for you.

Order the Surviving an Affair book from marriage builders ASAP, that was the most helpful for me. I also greatly benefited from Fall in Love, Stay in Love (helps with Plan A). I also got His Needs, Her Needs which was helpful, but is more focused on once things are going better and you are both trying.

Absolutely she can never see this man again, if he is a co worker she needs to find a different job and cease all contact. Of course you can not make her do that, and you have to accept that. What you have to do is figure out what it is about him that attracts her to him and basically out do him. If she gets what she needs from you she won’t need him anymore. An affair is basically always a symptom of a problem in the marriage and what sucks, is that even though she is the one who is wrong and you are the one that is hurt (I was in your situation), we, the betrayed spouses, are the ones who have to be nice. You can’t even judge her for the the affair (physical or not it doesn’t matter) and it may help if you actually sympathize (not condone). You can only control one thing, your behavior, but luckily your behavior affects how she feels about you. Maximize that truth to make her feel good about you and being with you. Recall all the complaints she has had during the marriage (I am sure there have been some) and not only tell her your going to change but show her how you have change and be consistent. She won’t buy it at first but if it is consistent she eventually will realize the change is real and then you can hopefully really get in to recovery.

Unfortunately with the other guy still around it makes it really hard. You really have to do a Plan A / Plan B approach. Surviving an affair hits these in detail but here is some info on it: marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi8113_ab.html
Plan A is for the betrayed spouse to negotiate with the wayward spouse to totally separate from the lover without angry outbursts, disrespect, and demands. These three Love Busters not only ruin any effort to reach a negotiated settlement, but they also make the betrayed spouse much less attractive to the wayward spouse. Instead of encouraging total separation from the lover, the anger, disrespect and demands of the betrayed spouse make the lover appear to be the only one who truly cares about the wayward spouse. They literally throw the wayward spouse into the arms of the lover.
If it doesn’t work after some set amount of time, say 6 months, then its probably because she is unwilling to make a decision. You eventually have to show her that she can’t have both and the way things have been are unacceptable and can not continue indefinitely.
Plan B is for the betrayed spouse to avoid all contact with the wayward spouse until the affair has completely ended and the wayward spouse has agreed to my plan for recovery
Plan B sounds hard, but 99% of affairs end fairly quickly when they try to become exclusive relationships and if it is only an emotional affair and especially if the other man has a wife you probably have good odds. It is important though that you have 6 months of being good to her and leave her on a good note so that her memory of you is a positive one so that she will want to come back after the affair is over. Then the forgiving and recovery is still hard after that.

I hope I am not coming across as a know it all, I am simply speaking from experience having been through it and having my marriage thrive after it. I post this only in hope my advice and experience can help a little. It is definitely not easy and I do not mean to make it sound as thought it is, it is probably the hardest thing you have ever faced, it was for me. You have my sympathy and my prayers, this is a difficult cross to bear.
 
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