Can catholics be masons?

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This is an interesting thread on a topic that I previously really knew nothing about. In an effort to educate myself a bit more, I went to the Freemasons website, and found this link titled “Masonic Myths and Outright Falsehoods.” freemasonry.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=83&Itemid=55

Thought others might find it interesting as well. (Just to clarify, I’m making no claims regarding the info on the site, I just found it interesting and thought I would share it)
 
I suspect that if you are a Mason your degree is likely well below 20 or 30. Quite literally any Mason under the 30th degree has no idea what Evils the Masons are really responsible for because it is effectually kept hidden from your eyes by deception though you are completely unaware it. Also the fact that you in fact are serving two Masters. Any catholic person who is a practicing Mason by their own decree automatically excommunicates themselves from the Roman Catholic Church. And that is a decree set by the Magisterium of the Church
So if a Catholic is not a priest or bishop, that means they do not truly know what the Catholic church is about? And these is not a specific masonic god.
 
So if a Catholic is not a priest or bishop, that means they do not truly know what the Catholic church is about? And these is not a specific masonic god.
The Catholic Church has the fullness of truth from God.
Freemasonry has the fullness of lies from Satan.
 
The Catholic Church has the fullness of truth from God.
Freemasonry has the fullness of lies from Satan.
That doesn’t answer the question.

And the Masons so not worship Satan so how is that applicable?
 
How do you know this? Do you know the head masons that are behind this?

What have the done recently that suggests this?
I am no expert on “charlatanism,” no one is. This issues we are discussing border on the phantasmagoric, but there is ho hurt in engaging in educated phantasy for the sake of discussion. What I am going to say, in the realm of speculation, may upset many Jewish and Masonic feathers, but God knows that my sole intention is search for truth. I see some connection between the Freemasonry and the *Protocols of the Elders of Sion. * I know, I know. You [and the Masons] will say “it’s all untrue.” But I have always asked myself: Why a Saint, Maximilian Kolbe would have been deceived about the Protocols? The Saints are known to risk their lives for the truth, and St. Maximilian proved that at Auschwitz! Some of you may know, that the Saint believed that the *Protocols *were true document. He quoted from them profusely, and atributed their authorship to a Jewish branch of Freemasonry - the Red Freemasonry. He made no distinction between Masons and “Zionists, but thought differently about the Jewish people as a whole.” The Protocols, for him, were used at the Masonic Conference in September 1926, in Bucarest, Romania. Does this mean that they were written then? Not at all, only that somehow they had a Jewish-Masonic origin. A copy as is known today, published already in 1920, is at the British Museum. But there were earlier copies, I suspect, dating to Theodore Hertzl, the Father of Sionism. That would move the Protocols date to 1903-1908, perhaps from Odessa (I heard that an original copy is also hidden in the vaults of the British Museum, but it cannot be seen for 100 years by the order of the Queen). When the reprint appeared in 1920, under a title “The Jewish Peril,” it was in my opinion forged! The reprint was accusatory of the Jews! But the original, which St. Maximilian read from, may have been favorable to the Jewish State! But what we are concerned here is Freemasonry. The St. Maximilian’s “original” was of Masonic authorship, if we are to believe the Saint! It was a secret blueprint on how to dominate the world through a secret society - Freemasonry? The bottom line: As I have written in my thesis, challenging Richard Cohen (1982), the information St. Maximilian had was unassailable! But the Jewish Masons covered their tracks with the 1920 version - forgery - and declared thereby the original Protocols a “forgery,” when it was not! What the original said? It promoted a Jewish domination of the world, replacing the Catholic Church! It was a return to pre-Jesus’ world! That’s why Hitler and others benefited from misreading the Protocols, or rather reading too much into them. For the original document was a Masonic “blueprint” - a theory at best birthed by a few fanatics!. The “wise men of Zion”, said St. Maximilian, “were just a small handfull of Jews deceived by Satan” - not all the Jewish people! This was true! But Hitler read it otherwise, blaming all Jews! We know the rest of the story. Even some churchmen believed that it was an all-Jewish plan! What I am speculating here, I emphasize the word “speculate,” is that there is much more to the story of Freemasonry that meets the eye. The Saint said: “The Protocols’ [autors] are the true head of the Freemasonry” (Writings, v. VI (1047), p. 490. These “few Jewish sages,” he added, "are hiding behind the "external Freemasonry, or the so-called “Blue Masonry that represents interests other than Jewish.” These low-ranking Freemasons readily deny thet the very head of Freemasonry is constituted by Zionists! May be they themselves don’t know! Hence the secrecy and confusion. Even Catholics have bought into this lie, and believed that Masons are OK! They are, that is the external fasade! What Catholics don’t know, according to St.Maximilian, is that the true Freemasonry, the so-called “Red”, is Jewish and it is still run by the secret “sages of Zion”! Enough “speculation” for today. Don’t take it with me if any of you disagree: I have the interest of truth at heart! You do not have to agree with me!
 
When it comes to determining the truth or falsity of a claim, I’m going to go with the Catholic Church. As a Catholic, I obviously believe its teachings --and there is enough written documentation on this subject so that, while it may not have the status of ‘dogma’, it is certainly reasonable for any Catholic–indeed, any person–to suppose that the Church is ‘telling the truth’ about both itself and any others–organizations or groups or both–in which it is giving information or instruction.
 
Masonry dates way back since King Solomon era.
Masonry – the art, trade, or occupation of a a skilled worker who builds by laying units of substantial material (as stone or brick) – is even older than that. Freemasonry, OTOH, dates to just a few hundred years ago at most.
I don’t see why this is against the catholic religion.
Because the Church has quite plainly said Catholics are not allowed to be Masons. It’s that simple.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
AMEN to all of you who are standing up for the Church and what She teaches! 👍

Sometimes we may not know exactly why the Church teaches something. But just a word to the wise…obey the Church first, then dig in and find out for yourself the “why” behind the teaching. Once the research is actually done, it is usually pretty clear that what She teaches is Good and True. There is a whole lot of mystery to the whole picture. But the do’s and dont’s are pretty basic if we actually read why the teachings are what they are.

LONG LIVE CHRIST THE KING! And He shall be with His Church till the end of the world.
 
Nope, absolutely not. Catholics are not allowed to be Masons. We are not allowed to join secret societies.
 
This is an interesting thread on a topic that I previously really knew nothing about. In an effort to educate myself a bit more, I went to the Freemasons website, and found this link titled “Masonic Myths and Outright Falsehoods.” freemasonry.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=83&Itemid=55

Thought others might find it interesting as well. (Just to clarify, I’m making no claims regarding the info on the site, I just found it interesting and thought I would share it)
They list the idea that Freemasonry is a secret society as a myth. I’m sorry but they are wrong. If they’re not a secret society then why do they refuse to make public some of their rituals and information about the higher orders? 🤷:confused:
 
NO! NOT! NEVER!!!

For further reading, Why Catholics Cannot be Masons , by John Salza. a noted Catholic apologist and former 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Freemason and Shriner. tanbooks.com/

He was a member of two Masonic Lodges in Milwaukee, serving as Junior Deacon, Senior Deacon and Junior Warden.

The book has the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur, which are declarations that a published book or pamphlet is free of doctrinal or moral error.

12 (Twelve) Popes have condemned Freemasonry over the last 250 years on the grounds that Masonry’s teachings are incompatible with Catholic faith and morals.

Bob
 
So if a Catholic is not a priest or bishop, that means they do not truly know what the Catholic church is about? And these is not a specific masonic god.
It is the duty of all practicing Catholics to educate themselves about their Church and what morality and spirituality it teaches.

I won’t say that ALL members of the Masonic Lodge are implicitly evil except to say that they may be completely unaware that the Masonic God they serve is Satan himself.

It’s no unhidden truth that many Catholics are members of Freemasonry, with even a number of the clergy from different ranks in the hierarchy and even amongst strongly suspected ranking positions in the Vatican.

Perhaps one of the most notable former Archbishop is the late Annibale Bugnini 33rd degree Mason who was highly instrumental in promulgating the Novus Ordo Mass we have today with all it’s scandalous liturgical fanfare of abuses.
 
It is the duty of all practicing Catholics to educate themselves about their Church and what morality and spirituality it teaches.

I won’t say that ALL members of the Masonic Lodge are implicitly evil except to say that they may be completely unaware that the Masonic God they serve is Satan himself.

It’s no unhidden truth that many Catholics are members of Freemasonry, with even a number of the clergy from different ranks in the hierarchy and even amongst strongly suspected ranking positions in the Vatican.

Perhaps one of the most notable former Archbishop is the late Annibale Bugnini 33rd degree Mason who was highly instrumental in promulgating the Novus Ordo Mass we have today with all it’s scandalous liturgical fanfare of abuses.
Do you have any recommended reading material on this Bishop? I’m curious. My dad has the book called “The Lodge Door” but I don’t think it talks about specific people within the Church, just masonry in general.

Thanks. And I appreciate your comment.
 
Do you have any recommended reading material on this Bishop? I’m curious. My dad has the book called “The Lodge Door” but I don’t think it talks about specific people within the Church, just masonry in general.

Thanks. And I appreciate your comment.
Please see tanbooks.com/doct/vatican_liturgy.htm
*Liturgical Time Bombs in Vatican II - The Rise and Fall and Rise and Fall of Annibale Bugnini
*
Bob
 
It is the duty of all practicing Catholics to educate themselves about their Church and what morality and spirituality it teaches.

I won’t say that ALL members of the Masonic Lodge are implicitly evil except to say that they may be completely unaware that the Masonic God they serve is Satan himself.

It’s no unhidden truth that many Catholics are members of Freemasonry, with even a number of the clergy from different ranks in the hierarchy and even amongst strongly suspected ranking positions in the Vatican.

Perhaps one of the most notable former Archbishop is the late Annibale Bugnini 33rd degree Mason who was highly instrumental in promulgating the Novus Ordo Mass we have today with all it’s scandalous liturgical fanfare of abuses.
I don’t know much about Archbishop Annibale Bugnini. He was appointed by Paul VI on January 13, 1964 to the Council for the Implementation of the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy.The war against him started in 1973. The war was carried out by by well-wishing cardinals, who resented the “betrayal of the Council of Trent on the issue of mandatory Latin Mass”, by Archbishop’s Roman Congregation for Divine Woship, where he was Secretary. The Church was being cautious and rightly so: this was the year of *Roe v. Wade *and the end of the Vietnam War. People were forced to resign and the Congregation was abolished in
1975. Bugnini called the attacks on himself “the fruit of ignorance.” He was transfered to Iran in 1976, where he died. Only God knows the truth about Archbishop Bugnini. Even Cardinal Karol Woytyła was one of his early consultors (appointed August 15, 1970), and of course Karl Rahner. He sure spoke like a “Mason” about his Reform, before leaving for Iran: “Builders” of the new “sanctuary,” humble and trusting “cultivators” of “God’s field,” at times “unknown soldiers” in the good fight (even if not always victorious), we labored with generous dedication, freedom of spirit, loyal zeal, and prompt obedience for the liturgical reneval and the defense of the goals reached" (Archbishop Annibale Bugnini, Letter of farewell to his fellow workers and friends, January 6, 1976). Having myself read The Reform of the Liturgy 1948-1975, by Bugnini, I tend to think that “something” was amiss. But I can’t p(name removed by moderator)oint exactly what. I see too much posturing and superficiality, detachment, and shallowness. I also see chaos. But on the other hand, one has to concede that the work was monumental and remarkably difficult. Still, when the Holy Spirit presides, the things get simplified. But this, clearly, was not the case here, for there was a remarkable amount of bickering and politicking. My feeling is that the Church did well removing Archbishop Bugnini.
 
Do you have any recommended reading material on this Bishop? I’m curious. My dad has the book called “The Lodge Door” but I don’t think it talks about specific people within the Church, just masonry in general.

Thanks. And I appreciate your comment.
Hello sseason;;

I could probably quote many Orthodox book sources on Freemasonry. However; Concerning Annibale Bugnini I would research and consider purchasing the following book from Tan Book Publishing: tanbooks.com
Check out this website: tanbooks.com/doct/vatican_liturgy.htm
 
Hello sseason;;

I could probably quote many Orthodox book sources on Freemasonry. However; Concerning Annibale Bugnini I would research and consider purchasing the following book from Tan Book Publishing: tanbooks.com
Check out this website: tanbooks.com/doct/vatican_liturgy.htm
There are many books on Bugnini. For starters, I would begin with The Reform of the Liturgy 1948-1975., by Annibale Bugnini himself. That book will not tell you the truth, but you will learn something about the psychology of Bugnini. It’s published by the Liturgical Press, Collegeville, MN. Collegeville 1990. It has an “Americanist touch” by virtue of being published in agreement with Fr. Frederick McManus, the American collaborator of Bugnini, from the Catholic University of America. Americanist and Masons have much in common via Benjamin Franklin, who was a Red Mason with 33 category (Red means “Jewish Masonry”) Benjamin even used the Jewish calendar . Have to go.
 
Nope, absolutely not. Catholics are not allowed to be Masons. We are not allowed to join secret societies.
That also includes the Council of Foreign Relations, and the Order of Skull and Bones.
 
Wow, interesting posts–this has been the topic of previous threads, and I always find it interesting to see the thoughts, opinions, and statements of my fellow brother catholics. Below is a post I did previously. I felt obliged to repost–the thread was deleted from where it was posted previously.

**I have been a Roman Catholic for eight years now and am active in my parish. I attend mass every Sunday when achievable, and try to be in communion with the Holy See as much as possible for a sinner.

I have been a Mason for five years (32nd degree Scottish Rite for four years).

For the past two years, I have not been active in my masonic lodge because of my discovery of the Catholic Church’s “ban” on Masonry and have tried to find a valid reasons for the Church’s position. After much searching, I have yet to find such valid reason.

Before becoming a member, my blue lodge was very upfront with the fact that it was not a religious organization and that if religion is what I desired, I should go to church. The lodge knew that I was Catholic as are other members of my lodge—I had no reason to hide it—and it was never held against me or anyone else. I have never seen nor heard any anti-Catholic rhetoric in masonry. Therefore I cannot believe that Freemasonry is anti-Catholic. I am not saying that there are no members who are against the Church, but none that I have ever seen, and the organization itself is not anti-Catholic.

I was told that a belief in God was required to become a Mason. One reason for this was to make the oaths valid. An oath of an atheist would hold no recourse (at least in his mind). The prerequisite of belief in God does not make Freemasonry a religion; there is just simply no room for atheist in the organization.

My blue lodge has at least one Jewish member. Therefore I understand why the prayers are to God. He is a fellow human being and the fraternity wants him to feel welcome. Prayers prior to high school football games here in Texas are prayed in a similar way.

Freemasonry is a benevolent fraternity. It strives to make good men better—not bad men good— or good men bad. Many of the founders of the United States of America were Masons as well as the founders of the Republic of Texas. Freemasonry has provided and does provide for orphans, widows, elderly, sick children and many others. The first public education in Texas was set up with the help of Masons—it was free to everyone (not just Masons’ kids).

If you want to find some “bad” masons, you probably will not have to look very far. However to judge the entire fraternity because of the actions of a few is unjust. I do not judge the Church that way—I hope it would not judge Freemasonry that way. The more and more I study and pray about this issue, the more I feel convinced of the need to become more active again in my local lodge.

The late Archbishop Fulton Sheen was fond of saying that there are no more than a hundred people in the US that hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they believe the Catholic Church to be (please excuse any misquote as unintentional). I believe something similar could be said of Freemasonry.

I do not doubt that both organizations have been hurt by the other in some form or fashion throughout the course of history. However, just as the Church teaches forgiveness, it is time to forgive. Let’s let bygones be bygones.

I have done a lot of research but have not been able to anser the question of:

“Why is the Roman Catholic Church against Freemasonry?”**
 
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