Can someone who supports abortion go to heaven?

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Honestly, I don’t think it’s rationally possible to claim that someone who agrees with the killing of babies in the womb can claim ignorance as a defense.

Natural Law exists, and there is plenty to show that the child in the womb is a human being. So much, in fact, that the pro-aborts have shifted from claiming that the child isn’t human to claiming that it’s not a “person.” They’ve substituted an objective qualification for a subjective assessment to further pollute the water and lead souls astray.

If someone truly doesn’t know that’s a human being in the womb, then maybe you could make a case for them, but in my opinion, the number of people who meet that criteria is very low.

As to the question, honestly, no, I don’t think they can be saved. These people support the killing of innocent children in the womb, no matter how they may chose to phrase and obfuscate the issue. That sort of thing has an impact on the soul whether the person realizes it or not, and regardless of the intentions behind their actions. I certainly hope I’m wrong, as I have many friends who are pro-aborts, but I can’t help the conclusion I’ve arrived at.
 
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HSTV said:
There are people who support abortion because they do not want the child to suffer in this world and to be poor.
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I understand what you are saying, but really you have to look at it this way, if we see someone suffering and are poor, are we helping them somehow by killing them?
 
LawyersGunsAndMoney said:
but if the person genuinely thinks they’re doing good then they’re not really culpable.
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I am sure family “honor” killers think the same thing. Hitler killed many people in mental institutions, along with special needs people. I am sure those killings were billed as mercy killings at some point.
 
openmind77 said:
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HSTV:
If someone has good intentions when being pro-choice, can this person go to heaven?

There are people who support abortion because they do not want the child to suffer in this world and to be poor.

So in this case, is it still a sin to be pro-choice, when you care about the well being of that child that will suffer in this world?

ps. I am pro-life, I am just curious/concerned to know where my pro-choice friends are standing
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The question is will anti-choice people who harass pregnant women seeking abortions, make life even more miserable for them and even try to jail them, can such people ever go to heaven?

Actually, I believe most people eventually go to heaven anyway. But I also believe in reincarnation.

So I am quite sure, all active anti-choice men who make life difficult for such women, will be born as women themselves in their next life.
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Nobody is jailing women who look for abortions. I doubt anyone ever will. Nice straw man though 🙂
 
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It is important to clarify what is meant by “supports abortion.” It is not an either-or situation. For example:
  1. Someone who performs an abortion, or encourages others to do so.
  2. Someone who has never been directly involved with abortion, but still believes the fetus is not human and not worthy of protection and that a woman has every right to terminate any pregnancy she wishes.
  3. Someone who believes a fetus is a human being, but that the needs of the mother outweigh the needs of that fetus.
  4. Someone who believes all lives are precious, but that it is not the role of government to protect the pre-born.
  5. Someone who believes it is the role of government to protect the pre-born, but that other issues are equally important when voting for people to run for office.
  6. Someone who believes all lives are precious and that it is the role of government to protect the pre-born, but who keeps this view private and does not act on it.
  7. Someone who believes that abortion is the most important issue, but does not believe a candidate can accomplish anything toward it, and so votes for someone else.
I have tried to arrange these in order of most-supportive of abortion to least-supportive of abortion. There is certainly a big difference between saying that someone from #1 is going to heaven vs. someone from #7 is going to heaven. So I’m not sure we can give the same answer to all 7 categories here.
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Also politicians who claim to be personally pro life but claims they can’t force their views on others and thus always supports the pro abortion rights position.
 
openmind77 said:
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Sbee0:
Nobody is jailing women who look for abortions. I doubt anyone ever will. Nice straw man though 🙂
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I believe the Georgia law says that if a women goes to another state to get an abortion she could be jailed for 10 years. Also if a woman takes a pill that induces a miscarriage she may get an even longer sentence.
HB 481: Georgia law criminalizes abortion, subjects women to life in prison.
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Slate is wrong. The law does not say women would be jailed for seeking an abortion.

Keep in mind Slate is and always has been a solidly left wing news source and therefore is prone to sensationalizing this topic.

Which is exactly what they are doing.
 
People always focus on the wrong question. It isn’t about going to hell, its if it is a good and holy thing that will help you achieve heaven. The answer is no. Not many people here would put up with friends who thought blacks weren’t human and could be killed because their lives wont be as good as whites. Yet that is precisely the ignorance and evil that abortion is. Its sick. Blatantly evil and sick. And if people wish to buy the serpents lie that evil is good, they probably won’t make good friends.
 
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The question is will anti-choice people who harass pregnant women seeking abortions, make life even more miserable for them and even try to jail them, can such people ever go to heaven?

Actually, I believe most people eventually go to heaven anyway. But I also believe in reincarnation.

So I am quite sure, all active anti-choice men who make life difficult for such women, will be born as women themselves in their next life.
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These beliefs are so wholly and completely antithetical to Catholic belief that I cannot fathom how you can hold them while still calling yourself Catholic.

“It is appointed to a man to die once, and then the judgment.”

There is no reincarnation, period. If you go to Hell, you go to Hell. No second chances. No infinite cycles of reincarnation to try to get it right. The damned are damned and the saved are saved, and once you hit your appointed time that’s it, your chances are over.
 
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Hoosier-Daddy said:
People always focus on the wrong question. It isn’t about going to hell, its if it is a good and holy thing that will help you achieve heaven. The answer is no. Not many people here would put up with friends who thought blacks weren’t human and could be killed because their lives wont be as good as whites. Yet that is precisely the ignorance and evil that abortion is. Its sick. Blatantly evil and sick. And if people wish to buy the serpents lie that evil is good, they probably won’t make good friends.
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Yes to good friends, and good relationship with God is what heaven is.
 
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openmind77:
The question is will anti-choice people
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Help me out here, I catch on slowly.
What/who are anti-choice people?
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Sorry about your slowness. Anti-choice people are those who don’t think people should be able to choose what they wish to do with their own bodies and its contents.
 
openmind77 said:
Anti-choice people are those who don’t think people should be able to choose what they wish to do with their own bodies and its contents.
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Those contents, as you call them, are another human being. A distinct instance of the human species. That child has all the same rights as its mother, father, and every other person on this planet.

So yes, if you chose to label my defense of all human beings with the absurdist moniker of “anti-choice” then I will wear it proudly.
 
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openmind77:
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Sbee0:
Nobody is jailing women who look for abortions. I doubt anyone ever will. Nice straw man though 🙂
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I believe the Georgia law says that if a women goes to another state to get an abortion she could be jailed for 10 years. Also if a woman takes a pill that induces a miscarriage she may get an even longer sentence.
HB 481: Georgia law criminalizes abortion, subjects women to life in prison.
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Slate is wrong. The law does not say women would be jailed for seeking an abortion.

Keep in mind Slate is and always has been a solidly left wing news source and therefore is prone to sensationalizing this topic.

Which is exactly what they are doing.
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Slate is not the only source. This one is hardly left wing: Women Could Get 30 Years in Prison for Having a Miscarriage in Georgia
 
openmind77 said:
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Sbee0:
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openmind77:
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Sbee0:
Nobody is jailing women who look for abortions. I doubt anyone ever will. Nice straw man though 🙂
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I believe the Georgia law says that if a women goes to another state to get an abortion she could be jailed for 10 years. Also if a woman takes a pill that induces a miscarriage she may get an even longer sentence.
HB 481: Georgia law criminalizes abortion, subjects women to life in prison.
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Slate is wrong. The law does not say women would be jailed for seeking an abortion.

Keep in mind Slate is and always has been a solidly left wing news source and therefore is prone to sensationalizing this topic.

Which is exactly what they are doing.
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Slate is not the only source. This one is hardly left wing: Women Could Get 30 Years in Prison for Having a Miscarriage in Georgia
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I stopped reading the article when I saw they are using the Slate story. This is false, hysteria from a left wing news magazine, there is no such threat to women seeking abortions with this law.
 
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Sbee0 said:
I stopped reading the article when I saw they are using the Slate story. This is false, hysteria from a left wing news magazine, there is no such threat to women seeking abortions with this law.
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Even if there was jail seems like a good place for murderers.
 
openmind77 said:
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goout:
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openmind77:
The question is will anti-choice people
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Help me out here, I catch on slowly.
What/who are anti-choice people?
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Sorry about your slowness. Anti-choice people are those who don’t think people should be able to choose what they wish to do with their own bodies and its contents.
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Really?
Give me an example of people who won’t allow pregnant women to vacate their bowel and bladder.
thanks.

I do catch on slowly, really. thanks for your patience.
 
openmind77 said:
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openmind77:
The question is will anti-choice people
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Help me out here, I catch on slowly.
What/who are anti-choice people?
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Sorry about your slowness. Anti-choice people are those who don’t think people should be able to choose what they wish to do with their own bodies and its contents.
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I’d say the anti-choicers are actually the ones who verbally threaten and harass teenagers and older women on social media for protesting quietly at abortion clinics or roundhouse kick pro life women for being pro life. Some people don’t like the choice to be pro life it seems. 🤔
 
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