Can someone who supports abortion go to heaven?

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It’s not just removal though, it’s actively killing someone. Doing something for the purpose and intention of killing someone (abortion) is wrong, I suggest looking into the three things that make an Act moral. The ends don’t justify the means.
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It is up to doctor who performs the procedure to save the fetus if possible. The woman is just asking for removal of it from her own body.
 
There are other reasons why some people are pro-choice rather than pro-life or pro-death, for that matter. Their stance concerning abortion may be based on their particular religious values. As I have stated numerous times, Judaism believes that abortion is acceptable under a few limited circumstances. These include if the mother’s life is in imminent danger, and in that case abortion is required, not merely permitted. Some rabbis also allow for abortion in cases of rape and incest because the psychological harm done to the mother takes precedence. Another possible instance is when the unborn baby is sure to be born with a life-threatening, painful genetic disorder. Still another example occurs if there are two unborn babies and the one who is ill is threatening the life of the healthy baby. Except for the life of the mother, these other instances are debatable within Judaism. Of course there are other religions as well which take a nuanced position regarding when abortion is allowed and when not. I believe that if one’s informed conscience sides with the teachings of one’s religion, this is not a sinful act. Abortion can be a very complex, often gut-wrenching decision for a woman, her family, and her physician. Ideally, this is what the pro-choice argument is all about. Unfortunately, it has also devolved into an abortion-on-demand process whereby a woman need not have a well-founded moral reason for getting an abortion. There are advocates of a woman’s right to choose simply because it is her own body. I can understand this way of thinking although I have come to believe this kind of freedom is susceptible to abuse. Still a difficult decision, though, any way you consider it.
 
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I suggest you look up how abortion works-it is the direct killing of a child.
 
What exactly do you believe an unborn child has? Do you believe that children in the womb over a period of 9 months exist without any kind of thought at all? When do children start to think? What is thought?
 
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What exactly do you believe an unborn child has? Do you believe that children in the womb over a period of 9 months exist without any kind of thought at all? When do children start to think? What is thought?
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If you think fetuses in the womb have thoughts that is ok too.
 
Again, thanks for your unnecessary permission, but you didn’t answer me. When does a person 'start to think"?
 
But you don’t have any proof.
Here’s another. .
So you say they start to think after birth.
What do they possess ‘after’ birth that they did not possess before birth which gave them the capacity to think?
So if a child 'starts to think" 1 day after birth, what is the key to thought which started it ‘then’ and not 48 hours before, or the day before birth?
 
You don’t have any proof either. Actually there are no cogent thoughts even immediately after birth.
 
Can someone have a good intention to kill an unborn child, or to support others who kill unborn children?

And do children suffer when they are being killed?

Is being dismembered cause more suffering than being malnourished, or mistreated?

Is being killed by being submersed in a solution which burns the skin better than living, even if abused?
 
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I’d say the anti-choicers are actually the ones who verbally threaten and harass teenagers and older women on social media for protesting quietly at abortion clinics or roundhouse kick pro life women for being pro life. Some people don’t like the choice to be pro life it seems. 🤔
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I am not here to defend anybody who threatens etc. But those women who seek abortion are hardly threatening anyone, They are trying keep as quiet and unnoticeable as possible.
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Ok so is killing someone a threat? The abortion ends the life of a unique human being.
Can you explain how this is not a threat?

I know you can do it.
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If you were using my body as a host for survival and I asked that you be removed from my body, I am not threatening you at all.
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You’re threatening me with death. That’s not threatening?
What is a threat then, if not death?
 
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