Card. Burke: "Biden is not a Catholic in good standing..."

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NevermoreLenore said:
You’re doing the Lord’s work, @Tis_Bearself.
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I hope every one here is but if Biden gets his way of codifying abortion in to law and rhe,Democrats legislate even infanticide, I do not think that is the Lord’s work.
 
Give me the Canon Law please that forbids a Bishop from denouncing a scandalous Catholic who resides in a diocese not his own, for scandal made public in dioceses around the country and the world. Is a diocese like a “sanctuary” where the lawless are protected from justice?
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Actually, the Pharisees are those who are so rigid, they ignore mercy and compassion as Jesus taught. They’re no different than the Pharisees of Jesus day.
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Jesus rebuked the sinner - “Go and sin no more.” He didn’t say, “Who am I to judge?”
 
Victoria33 said:
I hope every one here is but if Biden gets his way of codifying abortion in to law and rhe,Democrats legislate even infanticide, I do not think that is the Lord’s work.
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And besides, this is a Cardinal that is if you all are still talking about Cardinal Burke.

Does he just represent a certain jurisdiction? He did say he’s not endorsing anyone.


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It is not sufficient for Catholic politicians to claim that they are ‘personally opposed’ to abortion. If any Catholic politician favors legalized abortion, despite a claim of personal opposition, such a politician commits a mortal sin by promoting abortion and by voting in favor of abortion.

The same is true for any Catholic who casts any vote with the intention of legalizing abortion, or of protecting laws allowing abortion, or of widening access to abortion. Such a voter commits a mortal sin and incurs a sentence of automatic excommunication for two reasons. First, they are committing the sin of heresy by believing that abortion should be legal and available. Second, they are committing the grievous sin of providing women with substantial or essential assistance in obtaining abortions, by attempting to legalize or broaden access to abortion.
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Abortion and Excommunication - Catholic Ethics.
 
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This was your response to me in your Fr. Altman thread when I mentioned that Cardinal Joseph Tobin declared that a person can in good conscience vote for Joe Biden:

“Thus I remind you - the title “Cardinal” in itself does NOT insure a faithful, holy, Catholic judgment about ANY issue at all.”

If your own words apply to Cardinal Tobin, they must surely also apply to Cardinal Burke. He has his opinions, and other Cardinals and Bishops have theirs. I’ll take them all under consideration when I vote.
 
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MikeInVA said:
Jesus rebuked the sinner - “Go and sin no more.” He didn’t say, “Who am I to judge?”
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Jesus could judge, and judge rightly in all cases. We cannot, so “Who am I to judge?” is correct for us.
 
christofirst said:
If your own words apply to Cardinal Tobin, they must surely also apply to Cardinal Burke. He has his opinions, and other Cardinals and Bishops have theirs. I’ll take them all under consideration when I vote.
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I hope you will take into consideration the full weight of Catholic Tradition from the beginning: Intentional murder of the innocent is gravely, gravely wrong. NO “right” is safe, when the right to life is “negotiable” and dispensable. The unborn are relegated to the condition of pre-emancipation black slaves under their white owners: their very personhood is defined by brute force expediency.

Do you condemn the enslavement of the kidnapped Africans, but give the same life-or-death power to women and their advisory “doctors”, to do as they please to the poor enslaved babies in their wombs? And that is the “progressive” ideology? May God have mercy on a church of Christians that cannot discern rightly on this issue!
 
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whatistrue said:
Jesus could judge, and judge rightly in all cases. We cannot, so “Who am I to judge?” is correct for us.
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If we cannot judge and distinguish between sin and righteousness, we need to submit to wise formation immediately - and stay in a basement where we can’t hurt anyone, until we learn something.
 
It’s not what I said.

Canon law places the authority of Biden or any Catholic, under their own Bishop.

Note the word, “authority.”

Bishop Burke can say all he wants against Biden or anyone else, that’s his prerogative.

However, he can’t tell Biden not to receive Holy Communion in his own dioceses. Only that Bishop has that authority and has not told Biden not to receive, as far as we know. And it’s really none of our business anyway.
 
After he showed compassion, Jesus said that to some of the sinners, but not all.
The Pharisees saw this and said to his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

He heard this and said, “Those who are well do not need a physician, but the sick do.

Go and learn the meaning of the words, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ I did not come to call the righteous but sinners.” Matthew 9:11-13
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So you don’t think Jesus imparted any message to them? He just ate with them and talked about the weather?
 
Regarding truth and mercy…Archbishop Chaput said the following:
Truth without compassion wounds and repels; mercy without truth is a comfortable form of lying.
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In other words, truth and mercy go together
 
JimR-OCDS said:
It’s not what I said.

Canon law places the authority of Biden or any Catholic, under their own Bishop.

Note the word, “authority.”

Bishop Burke can say all he wants against Biden or anyone else, that’s his prerogative.

However, he can’t tell Biden not to receive Holy Communion in his own dioceses. Only that Bishop has that authority and has not told Biden not to receive, as far as we know. And it’s really none of our business anyway.
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Cardinal Burke? Correct? Not Bishop.
 
You’re twisting what I said.

I said, only Biden’s Bishop has the “AUTHORITY,” to prohibit him.

Saying he shouldn’t receive as Cardinal Burke did, is an opinion and not all Bishops and Cardinals agree.

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JimR-OCDS said:
Bishop Burke can say all he wants against Biden or anyone else, that’s his prerogative.

However, he can’t tell Biden not to receive Holy Communion in his own dioceses. Only that Bishop has that authority and has not told Biden not to receive, as far as we know. And it’s really none of our business anyway.
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Bishop Burke must, as a faithful Bishop in the Church of our Lord, MUST speak the truth to a foolish, malformed, scandalous, highly visible self-promoting public figure who is leading MANY innocent Catholics to believe that they are free to empower and enable such a false leader, a faux “Catholic,” with their vote. And he must do so publicly, in appropriate response to the very public lie that Biden lives. Biden ought to be ashamed of himself and the scandal he has brought into the Church.

It is more than Burke’s “prerogative” - it is his duty that he owes to our Lord, and to Biden who ought to hear and hear loudly, the evil of his ways.

And he can certainly tell Biden that he receives Holy Communion at his own peril, until he in truth repents and changes this dark path he has chosen.

As can any faithful Catholic, lay or clergy. And if his own bishop fails to rightly instruct him, someone needs to. So thank you, Card. Burke!
 
Victoria33 said:
And besides, this is a Cardinal that is if you all are still talking about Cardinal Burke.

Does he just represent a certain jurisdiction? He did say he’s not endorsing anyone.
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Actually, Cardinal Burke does not represent any diocese. The Pope has seen fit to not assign him any such duties. We can speculate as to why that is, but I will not do so here.
Victoria33 said:
Cardinal Burke? Correct? Not Bishop.
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Both titles are correct. They are separate offices. Generally, Cardinals are also bishops but they need not be. It is under the title of “bishop” that he would have teaching authority over his diocese, if he had one.
 
Biden just makes things up.He was so hateful during the debate.BTW he was wearing a wire in his ear🙄
 
TMC said:
Actually, Cardinal Burke does not represent any diocese. The Pope has seen fit to not assign him any such duties. We can speculate as to why that is, but I will not do so here.
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I think this was discussed here already. He is a Cardinal, His voice carries a lot of weight.
 
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