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Beau_Ouiville
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In fairness to the parish I think you need to attend services at St. Sabina’s before you make that type of assessment.
Cardinal suspends Pfleger: 'You are not able to pastor a Catholic parish'
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CatholicBoy1957
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I looked around their website, and I’m having a hard time finding their pro-life ministry. Can anyone give us a link to it?
You are right about no indication of it being Catholic. It’s a faith community. No thank you.
Pfleger does need prayer, but no thank you to those that advise no criticism. He’s damaging the Church and the Faith. Someone needs to speak up.
You are right about no indication of it being Catholic. It’s a faith community. No thank you.
Pfleger does need prayer, but no thank you to those that advise no criticism. He’s damaging the Church and the Faith. Someone needs to speak up.
I am so thankful that the Cardinal has made this decision. Fr. Pleger many times can be a divisive individual. In many of his sermons he not only preaches non-Catholic teachings, he also makes it about us (the parishioners) vs them (the Church authorities). I went to the church’s website and thought I clicked on the wrong church. There is not one thing on the website that indicates it is a Catholic Church. For example the word “Mass” is replaced with “worship service.” There are audio/video sermons on the website in which one can clearly hear Fr. Pfleger preaching about women priest, relationship with Jesus as opposed to religion. These “worship services” do not resemble a Catholic Mass one bit. It is so sad
saintsabina.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=35&Itemid=66
Please let us keep Cardinal George in prayer as he will be facing much persecution for his decision.
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Tigg
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Since this took so long, I suspect the unrelenting outrage of faithful Catholics over Fr. Pfleger’s many infractions was instrumental in this “suspension.”
This saint will:
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PaulinVA
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Doesn’t sound Catholic at all, does it? Is the Cardinal going to bring St Sabina into line, as well? They don’t even have Mass - they have “Worship Services”.
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Sunday service with a Celebration of the Eucharist (Holy Communion). Praise and worship with our Praise Team Choir, Pianist, liturgical readings, sermon and communion. Invite someone to join you! All are welcome.
Mission of the Faith Community of Saint Sabina
St. Sabina is a Word-based, Bible teaching church that believes in the power of praise and worship. We are a spiritual hospital where all are welcome and invited to “taste and see the goodness of the Lord.”
Our purpose is to nurture and develop spiritually mature Christians who are trained leaders and who are not confined by the walls of the sanctuary, but can penetrate the world in order to present God’s way of living as a divine option.
We strive to be a true Thessalonian Church that:
Wow:
Sunday service with a Celebration of the Eucharist (Holy Communion). Praise and worship with our Praise Team Choir, Pianist, liturgical readings, sermon and communion. Invite someone to join you! All are welcome.
Mission of the Faith Community of Saint Sabina
St. Sabina is a Word-based, Bible teaching church that believes in the power of praise and worship. We are a spiritual hospital where all are welcome and invited to “taste and see the goodness of the Lord.”
Our purpose is to nurture and develop spiritually mature Christians who are trained leaders and who are not confined by the walls of the sanctuary, but can penetrate the world in order to present God’s way of living as a divine option.
We strive to be a true Thessalonian Church that:
- Imitates Christ;
- Builds and models community in a fragmented world;
- Evangelizes by reaching out to others by proclaiming the Good News;
- Is rooted in faith and prepared to stand when we have done all else;
- Witnesses God’s goodness and love as and doers of the Word.
- Is committed to building a Third Day Church, one that takes:
- takes DOMINION (Authority) Genesis 1:28
- takes POSSESSION (Ownership) Joshua 1:10-11
- makes DISCIPLES (Trains up followers of Christ)
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Diotima
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I know this is off-topic, but I just want to point out that there are several good churches in Chicago besides St. John Cantius . . . such as Shrine of Christ the King, St. Mary of the Angels, Monastery of the Holy Cross, etc.
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ANNE_2
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For those who wonder about the false teachings of Pfleger in direct opposition to the Catholic Church, please watch the video link.
This is one example that was taped.
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Dale_M
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News Update
New pastor moves into St. Sabina rectory
articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-04-28/news/ct-met-cardinal-george-pfleger-0429-20110428_1_african-american-community-catholic-church-father-pfleger
In either event, please pray for all three priests, as well as for the parishioners of St. Sabina.
New pastor moves into St. Sabina rectory
This may not be entirely accurate, since another news source indicates that Fr. Smith was appointed to be assistant administrator at St. Sabina during Pfleger’s suspension. That (much longer) article indicates that the current associate pastor, the Rev. Thulani Magwaza, was appointed to be the administrator of St. Sabina.
articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-04-28/news/ct-met-cardinal-george-pfleger-0429-20110428_1_african-american-community-catholic-church-father-pfleger
In either event, please pray for all three priests, as well as for the parishioners of St. Sabina.
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miniquedoes
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Yeah, no thank you. I don’t believe one has to physically attend his service in order to know that there is hardly anything recognizable as Catholic teaching. There are plenty of videos on his site, some over an hour (of the worship service-intended to be seen by those who can’t make it there) plus the videos on youtube. So I would say that several hours of content would give me a pretty good idea (and yes I have looked at all of it). I am worried about the attitude of some parishoners who seem to think Fr. Pfleger is being discriminated against. They have even picketed outside of Cardinal George’s house. God help all involved!
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Beau_Ouiville
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Well, what if I, who have been there, say you are wrong? A youtube video really is not a tool to assess a parish.
Just like the picketers when a parish school or church is closed.
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hxcCatholic413
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(bolded): your against that? I know some priests who also preach in that manner…sometimes it’s needed, perhaps going overboard every mass is a bad thing, but every now and then it’s good. The Church is for the lay people…they have a right to know what is happening and deserve a voice (in some aspects). God Bless!I am so thankful that the Cardinal has made this decision. Fr. Pleger many times can be a divisive individual. In many of his sermons he not only preaches non-Catholic teachings, he also makes it about us (the parishioners) vs them (the Church authorities). I went to the church’s website and thought I clicked on the wrong church. There is not one thing on the website that indicates it is a Catholic Church. For example the word “Mass” is replaced with “worship service.” There are audio/video sermons on the website in which one can clearly hear Fr. Pfleger preaching about women priest, relationship with Jesus as opposed to religion. These “worship services” do not resemble a Catholic Mass one bit. It is so sad
saintsabina.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=35&Itemid=66
Please let us keep Cardinal George in prayer as he will be facing much persecution for his decision.
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hxcCatholic413
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I’ve never met the man, but I like his style…it’s refreshing. Seems like he has accomplished so much in his life. Yes he may have gone a bit overboard by being on Obama’s campaign, but in the end he was doing it to inspire his local African-American Catholic Community. Fr. Pfleger has a book that’s worth checking out…here’s the link: amazon.com/Radical-Disciple-Pfleger-Justice-Catholicism/dp/1569765286
P.S. Just want everyone to know that Fr. Pfleger is very much pro-life. God Bless!
P.S. Just want everyone to know that Fr. Pfleger is very much pro-life. God Bless!
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estesbob
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He supported Obama. You dont defend life by empowering those who dont respect it.
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hxcCatholic413
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Last time I checked Obama did…he’s big into social justice issues…then you have Republicans on the other coin who are pro-death penalty, pro-war, and pro-guns…yeah that’s respecting life too isn’t it??? You pretty much put yourself into a trap by saying the above^^^. God Bless!
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CatholicBoy1957
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**Can you provide a link to his pro-life activities? **
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estesbob
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You are not familar with Catholic teaching on abortion are you? No issue or combination of issue trump abortion. Here what the Pope said:
. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia
Heres what Archbishop Chaput said about the idea that Obama was pro-life:
To portray the 2008 Democratic Party presidential ticket as the preferred ‘‘prolife’’ option is to subvert what the word ‘‘prolife’’ means. Anyone interested in Senator Obama’s record on abortion and related issues should simply read Prof. Robert P. George’s Public Discourse essay from earlier this week, ‘‘Obama’s Abortion Extremism,’’ and his follow-up article, ‘‘Obama and Infanticide.’’ They say everything that needs to be said.
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NewEnglandPriest
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I highly doubt that the Cardinal cared about opinion outside his own archdiocese. Fr. Pfleger publicly threatened to leave the Church if he didn’t get his way. That was his mistake. You don’t publicly threaten your Ordinary.
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estesbob
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Not in any business!
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CatholicBoy1957
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It’s also a huge manifest grave sin. Yes, it’s disobedience to a valid authority, but worse yet, he’s saying he’d commit heresy if he needed to. It’s like saying you would commit adultery with that woman over there if the opportunity presented itself. What did Christ say about adultery? You don’t have to do it to do it. Same with heresy. If you would threaten to do it, you’ve done it.
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Tsuwano
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I attended Mass at St. Sabina’s a few times in the 80’s and Fr. Pfleger presided. The community is largly African-American and many members were either converts from Protestantism or had family and friends who were raised and active in Protestant communities. The music certainly wasn’t chant or plainsong and instruments other than the pipe organ were used, but it was uplifting music which helped me to focus on the presence of the Lord. Fr. Pfleger’s homiletic style was more akin to the rythms and cadences of Black southern preachers and he focused on the liberating power of the Gospel and it’s role in shaping a Black ethnic consiousness. Some things were different from what is often experienced in White ethnic parishes throughout Chicago, but it was most definitely the Catholic Mass. St. Sabina’s is a Catholic Church and Fr. Pfleger served as a Catholic priest in that “faith community” for many, many years. No one in authority ever denied or questioned the Catholic identity of the community as far as I know. You may have your opinion as to what constitutes a “Catholic” liturgy, but it is certainly not definitive, and frankly, I’m glad you are not the one who determines such things.
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Califman831
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Its about time this fake priest was chastised, but unfortunately he still wears the collar.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chibrknews-cardinal-suspends-pfleger-20110427,0,6343086.story
This is unfortunate, although perhaps unavoidable.
Here is a copy of Cardinal George’s letter to Fr. Pfleger.
chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chibrknews-letter-from-francis-cardinal-george-to-fr-michael-pfleger-42711-20110427,0,3569539.htmlstory
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Please, everyone, be charitable in your comments.
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