Cardinal Timothy Dolan makes a stance!

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You see there is no common ground. I am unwilling to compromise one single inch as in the past I have found conservatives gave the inch and progressives took it. after 40 years the conservatives have given up miles and miles and progressives gave up nothing
 
And, just so I understand your full meaning, which of us is the progressive?
 
And Cardinal Dolan is also a New Yorker, and New York is the city of immigrants, who were often mistreated.
 
after 40 years the conservatives have given up miles and miles and progressives gave up nothing
With all due respect, it seems that you have decided that one of us is a “progressive” otherwise you’d have no problem finding common ground.

Now, I haven’t said anything about my political leans because they are immaterial to this particular issue.

This is a matter of religion for me. I take Matthew 25 seriously; additionally, I think this is a pro-family and pro-life issue.
 
The problem is, nobody has yet come up with anything beyond saying what must be done, that it ‘can be done’, but never HOW it can be done.
 
For me, it’s not necessarily about whether or not they stay. It’s about whether or not families need to be violated while we decide whether or not they stay.
Why couldn’t one help them in their own country?
I’m all for that! My question is who is the “one” who will do the helping.
 
For me, it’s not necessarily about whether or not they stay. It’s about whether or not families need to be violated while we decide whether or not they stay.
Probably a stupid question. Why aren’t the parents deciding what happens to their children?
 
Well, firstly, whether or not they will be found in violation of the law remains to be seen. They are being held while still awaiting adjudication.

Secondly, I don’t recall Matthew 25 having a carve out that allows you to mistreat “the least of these” because you think they are guilty.

Put them in family detention centers. Adjudicate them. Deport those families who need deporting. It’s not that hard to treat people with human dignity and protect the integrity of families.
 
Ever come to NYC? The urban centers are beyond overcrowded. Other parts of the country not so much.
 
Treat them with dignity. Yes. Follow the law by deporting them as a family. Yes. Find ways to help them in their own country. Yes. Follow Christ. Yes.
 
Why couldn’t one help them in their own country?
Because America offers a better life… America has since it’s inception. My ancestors (and likely yours) came here and reaped the benefits of America. My family came over in 1909. The process of naturalization was much simpler. It was a 2-5 year process all in, but the immigrant and family were brought in to the country right away and the process started… not the tangled mess we have now.

We do not have an immigration problem in the US. We have an immigration process problem … and for the richest, most powerful nation in the world to have the problems we do, is shameful
 
I have a question. We have access in the U.S. to incredible technology, don’t we? And we also have a fairly large number of people who are under-employed or unemployed.

So: Why don’t we develop three categories: Legal immigration.
Illegal immigration: Sanctuary proven/sanctuary not proven.

So say someone comes in with family, “We’re fleeing from Colombia, drug violence has already killed members of my family”. We ask, "Do you have family or prospects of safety in Colombia? Elsewhere in South America, or any other country but the U.S.? "
They say, "No, and we need to come in now instead of going through regular channels.’
We send down (or call somebody already in the field) to Columbia area, ascertain story’s credibility. It adds up; then people are put into the ‘legal asylum’ track on a par with other legal seekers.

And because we know there is going to be a ‘boom’, we use a lot of our own citizens who are unemployed to help build houses, staff services, etc. in each state.

Now suppose the people seeking asylum say that “they want a better life” but they were doing ‘just as well’ as everybody else in the area and there are no areas of violence.

They go to another area, a 'holding area", after their story is found that they ‘desire’ to immigrate, but are not in danger and could pursue legal channels. That ‘holding area’ has services like the other, too, and people to help take care of the seekers. The people are not treated differently, the children are not separated from the parents, they simply will wait at the ‘holding area’ while their stories are checked, AND for another period of time while the U.S. representatives for ‘immigration affairs, holding’ talk to the representatives of the country being fled, to determine how the country can ‘hold onto’ its citizens. Mutual ‘training’ between our country and theirs to help. For example, suppose the area being fled from was typically a farming area but the soil has been depleted and people have a hard time making a living. U.S. send soil experts to assess what the depleted soil needs; that country sends their own people to the U.S. to get training on how to produce the necessary components, apply, make short and long range plans, etc. Meanwhile the people come back to the former country and are supported for a period up to 3 years while the land is brought back and the first year of crops come through. In the end, people don’t have to leave their homes, they support themselves, help raise their country’s revenues, everybody wins.
 
We need practical solutions such as yours to discuss and possibly implement. We, both conservatives and progressives, must stop posturing and calling one another names. Let’s drop the political labels and work on real-world solutions to the problem. The question though is whether our government is capable of doing this, and whether they have the will to seek solutions?
 
Oh puh-leeze.

Do you actually believe that tripe? Why didn’t the Irish stay in Ireland and grow something other than potatoes in the 1840s? If not potatoes, why didn’t they just sell their children to the rich for food and make a better life there?

Why didn’t the Jews stay in Germany and reform the government in the 1930s?

Why did the Puritans get on the Mayflower instead of staying in England to fight for religious freedom?
 
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