Cardinal Timothy Dolan makes a stance!

[rose321]

. The Church is pro-life, not just pro-birth.

Respectfully opinion only no such thing as pro-life> pro -birth is there? Tickles the ears maybe?

The child in the womb is living, breathing and has a heart beat, with 10 toes and 10 fingers, it is alive!! Abortion ends that living life?

Thou shall not>> murder? the word>> abortion>>makes it sound less>> inhumane, does it not?

A child breathes in>> what the mother breathes in, the child is alive, the child is being nourished feed by the mother, >>>but the child is already breathing air while in the womb, the child only>>>> takes its first breathe>> on its own when given birth to, does it not?

But the child in the womb is alive and for one to end that living life, one has to destroy it, how?

If one has to destroy a living breathing being to end it is called what?

Matters not if that living being, is within the womb or outside of the womb, does it? Failing to care for a human life, its daily needs, a child or adult whether alive in the womb or outside the womb, would it be heartless? inhumane to do so? There is no difference is there?

Mothers who choose to end that life, do not witness what takes place to end it right, others are doing it for them right?

Not taking either side politically either!!! Just on the Human side>> that all life is Sacred in the blood, destroy not and children are taken from their parents, children who are in need of want>>in many different inhumane heartless ways, are they not?

Jesus called those who were judging others as being heartless, etc and even judges themselves, yet Jesus rebukes harshly they also, were doing the same thing themselves>>Jesus calling them>> hypocrites x3?

Peace just an opinion and not using or applying balanced scales of justice are we?

 

[pnewton]

The child in the womb is living, breathing and has a heart beat, with 10 toes and 10 fingers, it is alive!! Abortion ends that living life?

Is there a point in posting this?

straw man

 

[rose321]

s there a point in posting this?

straw man

Respectfully toward>>> yes there is a point in posting this, ones opinion and it is not a straw man either, but >>
a fact
a reality of Life, daily taking place
being witnessed is it not also?

Today more so then ever with new Tech, greater knowledge and understanding, pictures of the child within the womb, we can all now witness this precious child, >moving and kicking, has a heart, see the heart beating, see it breathing the outside air through means of its Mother>>> sucking its thumb, we can witness and see the beautiful face of a child, it is alive a breathing child, a human child>>>>already alive >>>>>inside the womb of its Mother>>

the child does not come alive outside the womb, it only takes its>>>>> first breath on>>> its own >>>outside the womb, does it not?

They are also innocent living, breathing children within the womb>>> being taken by their own parents, by force and by their own Mother? Parents? choice >>would this not be correct a fact, a reality taking place daily?

Then there are living children, outside the womb, being taking from their parents arms, by the force of others not having a choice, would this be true?

How can one take a stance on one>>>>> yet neglect the other >>>as not being one and the same >>>> inhumane actions taken, either way serious issues taking place?

Greatly admire and listen to the teaching of Pope Francis, who makes it clear does he not, what is sadly taking place?

" the murder of children to get a peaceful life, an innocent ( person) is sent away. we do the same as the Nazi to maintain the purity of the race, but with white gloves" unquote Pope Francis>>

Peace not to offend either>> but just opinion and it is a reality of life taking place today is it not?

Either way innocent precious life>> children are being inhumanly taking from their parents?

some children, are taken from their parents arms by force, by choice of others unwillingly?
some children, by the choice and by force of their own parents >>separate themselves from their own child, correct? abortion?

Sorry did not want to disrespect or had intentions to hijack the thread, the topic at hand, just seems to be one and the same as abortion, lack of human dignity and assault on the family, is it not?

One admires Cardinal Dolan and I am very aware of his strong stance on abortion also. Peace

 

[mrsdizzyd]

With respect, abortion is not the issue at discussion here. You are off topic.

Cardinal Dolan being the past or present (I can’t remember) chair of the USCCB’s pro-life commission has minced no words with regard to the importance of protecting the pre-born child.

The issue being discussed is Cardinal Dolan’s stance against this horrendous policy that is an assault on human dignity and an assault on the family.

 

[pnewton]

With respect, abortion is not the issue at discussion here. You are off topic.

I tried. I guess I will just try and flag them.

Respectfully toward

With respect, hijacking threads is not respectful. It is like jumping in to a conversation two people are having about lettuce at a supermarket to try and sell them a time share.

 

[Axsenex]

People got mad because he was on CNN?

I’m laughing so hard

 

[rose321]

I tried. I guess I will just try and flag them.

Respectfully sorry pnewton and others replying to me, it was never my intentions and you are correct along with others >>>I have gone off topic, forgive me, did not mean to offend or hijack the thread either. Just read Pope Francis speech where he seems to discuss both issues as attack on the family, children being taken from their families by one means or another, does he not?
Thank you kindly for the correction and I am truly sorry!! Peace

 

[rose321]

People got mad because he was on CNN?

Respectfully opinion only, not to offend either, do not understand why others are upset because the>>> Honorable Cardinal Dolan did this interview, discussion on CNN , surely Cardinal Dolan will do an interview on Fox News also will he not? Being fair and balanced?

Would of loved to see rather the Honorable Cardinal Dolan >>>instead, call a Public Press conference, where all News outlets could of televised his strong stance,to the Nation as a whole>>to encourage unity, oneness on this serious issue facing human dignity and an assault on the family, maybe?

Peace

 

[pnewton]

Again, since I do not expect anyone to listen to videos just because they are posted (as I have frequently said, I do not mind reporting on this for those who are not inclined. Therefore, let me post a statement from the Cardinal for you to use in the future.

" …that to violently take a baby from its mother’s womb is wrong, and to violently take a baby from its mother’s arms on the border, that’s immoral; that’s wrong."

This occurs around 1:30 - 1:45 on the video.

 

[Allie1]

Respectfully opinion only, not to offend either, do not understand why others are upset because the>>> Honorable Cardinal Dolan did this interview, discussion on CNN , surely Cardinal Dolan will do an interview on Fox News also will he not? Being fair and balanced?

Would of loved to see rather the Honorable Cardinal Dolan >>>instead, call a Public Press conference, where all News outlets could of televised his strong stance,to the Nation as a whole>>to encourage unity, oneness on this serious issue facing human dignity and an assault on the family, maybe?

Peace

From how I understand these interviews to take place. Cardinal Dolan doesnt just show up at these news outlets to get on air tv time and offer commentary regarding current events. He gets invited to be interviewed, through their producers. CNN invited him and he accepted. If Fox News’ producers would also like to offer the same kind of invitation to him, that is yet to be seen. They have invited him to do on air interviews in the past so it is not outside the realm of possibility, however your question is relevant to the producers of FOX news. Will the producers invite them on their show? Nobody here knows what Fox News producers are planning for their on air guests on their shows.

Also I have never known of a Cardinal Dolan to call a press Conference regarding issues like this ever, so the odds of that happening are slim to none.

 

[pnewton]

Finally, this kind of information that was underreported by the media illustrates media bias, which more people, including liberals who do not support Trump, should be made aware of.

What is happening now is new. That is why they are having to scramble for places to put so many children. That said, you are totally right that we must be aware of media manipulation. I came across this little gem today.

Immigration officials detain legal US resident

This is a great example of the type of emotional manipulation and selective reporting that is happening. Your point is totally valid. But again, deporting people with a criminal record, or in this case detaining for a hearing, is not what is tearing me apart at this time.

 

[edtaylor51]

These are largely refugees from violent lives in Central America, not illegal immigrants from Mexico. The process is different.

 

[philipl]

I am speaking of progressives in general. Conservatives are those who believe that an individual is responsible for themselves and their families. Progressives using the phrase that we are all brothers and sister blame society for all that is wrong.

End the welfare state and I would be 100% in favor of open borders.

 

[mrsdizzyd]

Progressives using the phrase that we are all brothers and sister

Don’t Christians and Catholics use that phrase too?

 

[philipl]

But I dont believe the guy living next door to me is my brother or any other part of my family. But progressives use the phrase to justify allowing strangers into their country that will hurt those already there. I dont think since you are born you have a right to be an american citizen.

BTW I am catholic

 

[pnewton]

Jesus started all that sort of talk. For Catholics who go to Mass every Sunday this is readily known, as it was the reading just last week.

But he said to them in reply,
“Who are my mother and my brothers?”
And looking around at those seated in the circle he said,
“Here are my mother and my brothers.
For whoever does the will of God
is my brother and sister and mother.”

http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings/061018.cfm

 

[RandomAlias]

When you break the law, your children also pay.

We can agree these people place their family in danger

If you break the law, you get arrested and will be separated from your children. The parents accept these consequences…

there are consequences

try crossing from guatemala or belize into mexico illegally

see what is going to happen to you…

bye. bye my children

@PureKathleen46, @philipl, @RedDuke, @brian_custer,

People who think that justice can be served in any way

by separating children from their parents obviously

know nothing about the lifelong psychological

consequences. Have any of you read a book about

the behavior and development of children in orphanages

or other institutional care? Have any of you adopted

children from orphanages? How many of you are parents?

The US does not need to destroy children’s lives like this.

 

[PureKathleen46]

That is why we must obey the laws of this great country!

 

[philipl]

know nothing about the lifelong psychological

Why do people on this board keep using logical fallacies? Yet at the same time insinuate they are superior to others?

 

[pnewton]

What fallacy did you see in that post?