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SamH said:
That seems to be your primary interest.
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My primary interest is seeing our money, through taxes, go to those in need. Others seem to have an interest of protecting their own money and unwillingness to share.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Your analogy is silly and nowhere near the reality of the discussion, in my honest opinion. We are not in fear of our lives from taxes. As I’ve explained to another poster, we the people are the government in America. It is through our decisions that we decide ‘everyone for themselves’, or ‘we should share what we’ve been blessed with in this great country so that no one goes without’.
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People may not be in fear of their lives, but they are in fear of their freedom.
 
iamrefreshed said:
Let’s see, I quote scripture to back up my assertations and your reply is “whatever”?

How many times have you quoted Jesus in this thread?
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You quote a scripture that does not apply to feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, giving shelter to the poor, or caring for the sick.

Jesus did not create a democracy. We have the choices to do as He would, or not. I would not place money before His teachings.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
You quote a scripture that does not apply to feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, giving shelter to the poor, or caring for the sick.

Jesus did not create a democracy. We have the choices to do as He would, or not. I would not place money before His teachings.
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No, it relates to forced charity. It doesn’t work. Not here, not in heaven.

We, individually, have to ‘do’.

That’s why Lazarus couldn’t warn the rich man’s brothers.
 
stevegravy said:
How is it that all the people who advocate using the coercive power of the government to do “God’s work” never can answer the question.
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Seems God has used much more than a coercive government to achieve His will.
stevegravy said:
You had better be afraid of not paying the IRS. Try owing the government money and see how it goes. They can confiscate you bank account, garnish your wages , seize your property and sell it at auction and on top of all that they can throw you in jail. If you resist enough they will use lethal force, they do have guns.
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Believe me, from personal experience, I know the problems that can arise with the IRS. I owed a major tax bill a few years ago and then got struck with an emergency health problem, that required two surgeries and 12 days in the hospital with many antibiotics through an IV. The end result was a bankruptcy and that did not clear the problem with the IRS. I paid many penalties and gross interest to pay them off. I have faced the reality and dealt with it.
stevegravy said:
We decide nothing we vote for representatives who do the deciding. We are not a democracy we are a republic where the parties seem to be beholden to their biggest campaign donor. They seem to be different wings of the same corporatist party. IMHO
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We have influence over our politicians, when we do something about it. To do nothing is inefficient.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
We? Why would the Pope call on governments if there were more efficient ways to reach the majority?
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You would have to ask him all I know is calling on governments to do charity work is a big waste. Government creates a subservient underclass that keep the bureaucratsemployed and are needed for the bureaucrats to hold power. You accuse others of thinking of their money and I accuse the smug among us who want us to take our earnings to maintain such a system to be only interested in power to control everybody and everything.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
What freedom are we talking about losing? The freedom to keep our money? 😦
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Are you kidding? If I give ever dime I earn, I mean every dime, to charity, I will end up in prison. Why? Because I didn’t give the government their share. That is the freedom, I am talking about.
Prodigal_Son1 said:
We? Why would the Pope call on governments if there were more efficient ways to reach the majority?
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The Pope called for access to health care, which isn’t a problem in the US. Very few people don’t have access to heath care.

It was Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone that stated that governments should pay for it, not the Pope
 
iamrefreshed said:
No, it relates to forced charity. It doesn’t work. Not here, not in heaven.

We, individually, have to ‘do’.

That’s why Lazarus couldn’t warn the rich man’s brothers.
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And through a decision to give, even through taxes, is charitable. To want it all for ourselves, or everyone for themselves, is not. That seems to me to be having other interests than Christ’s teachings in my heart and mind.
 
maryjk said:
Are you kidding? If I give ever dime I earn, I mean every dime, to charity, I will end up in prison. Why? Because I didn’t give the government their share. That is the freedom, I am talking about.

The Pope called for access to health care, which isn’t a problem in the US. Very few people don’t have access to heath care.

It was Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone that stated that governments should pay for it, not the Pope
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Very few? What number going without is acceptable to you?

The US healthcare costs are what they are because people can’t pay their bill, so we all are paying through the nose to make it up to the healthcare industry.

The Vatican secretary of state made his comments when he delivered the Pope’s message. I feel they are on the same page. At least no one has produced any correction from the Pope. :rolleyes:
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
My primary interest is seeing our money, through taxes, go to those in need. Others seem to have an interest of protecting their own money and unwillingness to share.
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You have no idea who is willing to share or not. Just because they disagree with you does not mean they do not share or are unwilling to do so.

In fact, it’s very uncharitable for you to assume so.:mad:
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
And through a decision to give, even through taxes, is charitable. To want it all for ourselves, or everyone for themselves, is not. That seems to me to be having other interests than Christ’s teachings in my heart and mind.
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You are still confusing charity and taxes they are not the same. In fact they are the opposite. One is coerced and the other is given freely. Stop with the new speak let’s use words correctly.
 
iamrefreshed said:
You have no idea who is willing to share or not. Just because they disagree with you does not mean they do not share or are unwilling to do so.

In fact, it’s very uncharitable for you to assume so.:mad:
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I’m not ‘assuming’ anything. I am going by responses that are given. How many times has message been posted ‘not with my money’? It seems to say, we cannot depend on any government social programs to do the right thing, so we might as well not even try to make it better. Just better to scrap the whole thing. Yet the leader of our Church calls on governments?
 
If it wasn’t for the NHS, the TB epidemic in Britain would have continued. Every child who goes to school is given free jabs, so I think it’s a great system.

Private healthcare is better than the NHS healthcare, but if it’s an emergency, you’re better off going to an NHS hospital.

I’m really grateful for the NHS. Although it’s not the best in some areas, it’s great that everyone knows they’re able to receive treatment no matter their situation. The same as schooling. Although private schools are always better, there’s no excuse for your child to not be educated.

However, with the free healthcare, and the generous amount of benefits and council houses, people leech off the system and the NHS can’t cope. People come here to receive treatment, recover, then fly back. Not that anything can be done about it, because of the EU…
 
stevegravy said:
You are still confusing charity and taxes they are not the same. In fact they are the opposite. One is coerced and the other is given freely. Stop with the new speak let’s use words correctly.
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In a democracy, we can be charitable by voting for, and supporting, social programs to assist the needy. We can do that freely, or we can argue against it.

It’s not ‘new speak’, it’s been in place in our country for decades.

If what you’re saying is true, we must separate ourselves from the secular, even on matters as important as abortion. We have amalgamated our spiritual with secular in this country. I try to view the entire through the spiritual eye, or else I risk into falling into too much of the secular to be able to see the spiritual correctly. That’s my view of it, plain and simple.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
I’m not ‘assuming’ anything. I am going by responses that are given. How many times has message been posted ‘not with my money’? It seems to say, we cannot depend on any government social programs to do the right thing, so we might as well not even try to make it better. Just better to scrap the whole thing. Yet the leader of our Church calls on governments?
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Wrong on all counts because, as I pointed out, you are assuming.

When you say “It seems to say” you are assuming. It’s obvious.
 
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