Catholic Church founded by Jesus?

[Julius_Caesar]

I can’t figure out in the early church how people were getting drunk and having supper by consuming the Eucharist? Where was the Priest in that setting? Would he not be in control of those behaviors?

The consecration occured during the larger love feast.

And God was there. Those Corinthians were getting killed.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

Are those that “pick and choose” still Catholics or are they actually “Protesting” ants?

Was Judas an Apostle when he started losing faith?

 

[ArchStanton]

Are those that “pick and choose” still Catholics or are they actually “Protesting” ants?

Biden would be an example. His stance on abortion is contrary to Church teaching. A Bishop could keep the Eucharist from him.

He is still a Catholic

 

[Wannano]

Sorry, did not mean to be offensive that is why I put quotation marks on the word. I will quit asking questions. One does not get direct answers most of the time anyway.

 

[mcq72]

bold above ^^^

Thats right. It becomes His body. We differ on the how.

 

[mcq72]

It seems you left out the part where Augustine said He held Himself in His Hands.

So not likewise.

What is there to leave out? It was your post. There about 22 more early father quotes you could post. They are in the basket, along with my post, (that you " left out")? None refute figurative speech.

 

[ArchStanton]

None refute figurative speech.

But isn’t the ‘figurative language’ a way of saying ‘the accidents remain’?

‘Both/and’ as opposed to ‘either/or’

 

[Julius_Caesar]

None refute figurative speech.

Jesus held Himself “figuratively” in His hands.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

We differ on the how.

No. We differ on the whether it is His Body or not.

 

[brianjmc1]

Then I will pose the same question I posed to McQ72…
By what authority do you know when scripture is figurative or literal. From a Tradition or from self interpretation?

Patrick Madrid shows an example of interpretation e.g.:
“I never said you stole money” - this phrase can be interpreted in at least 5 ways.

So without an authority, how do you know you are interpreting correctly? There is only one TRUTH, so why all the different interpretations?

Peace to All

 

[TULIPed]

(Solid imoji face usage. Well done. )

 

[TULIPed]

So without an authority, how do you know you are interpreting correctly? There is only one TRUTH, so why all the different interpretations?

From Catholic Answers on the subject of predestination:

"The Catholic Church permits a range of views on the subject of predestination…,

Even in the Catholic Church, personal (studied presumably) interpretation is permitted. The question of course is always where the sidelines are drawn.

 

[mcq72]

But isn’t the ‘ figurative language ’ a way of saying ‘ the accidents remain ’?

I don’t think so. As Radical once posted on CAF, “If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck”.

 

[mcq72]

Jesus held Himself “figuratively” in His hands.

No stranger than saying He ate Himself.

 

[mcq72]

We differ on the whether it is His Body or not.

Again we differ on how it is His body.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

No stranger than saying He ate Himself.

Regardless of how weirded out you are, Augustine said “He held Himself in His Hands.” To say it figuratively is to be dishonest.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

Again we differ on how it is His body.

No. We say it is. You say it isn’t. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

 

[mcq72]

No. We say it is. You say it isn’t.

No. You say it is literally. We say it is figuratively , in a truer unbloody manner.

 

[mcq72]

Regardless of how weirded out you are, Augustine said “He held Himself in His Hands.” To say it figuratively is to be dishonest.

I don’t think so. The worst I can be is wrong, or ignorant, not dishonest.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

We say it is figuratively , in a truer unbloody manner.

He clearly said, “This IS My Body” not “This is a symbol of My Body.”