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I wouldn’t go so far as to say that Mr. Kopsho is an evil person. I think he’s just a great big teddy bear, but you’re right, abotrion is an evil thing.

As for the spontaneous abortion, you are correct, it isn’t in that case actually an abortion.

I keep telling myself that I’m going to give up on these two threads . . . but it’s just so much fun having a mindless conversation with someone who mindlessly repeats the same **** over and over again.
 
Absalom!:
I wouldn’t go so far as to say that Mr. Kopsho is an evil person. I think he’s just a great big teddy bear, but you’re right, abotrion is an evil thing.

As for the spontaneous abortion, you are correct, it isn’t in that case actually an abortion.

I keep telling myself that I’m going to give up on these two threads . . . but it’s just so much fun having a mindless conversation with someone who mindlessly repeats the same **** over and over again.
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Absalom,

You and I must be masochists. I haven’t had this much fun since YAQUBOS.
 
Albert Kopsho:
Genesis315,

In other words no Catholic should be a Democrat is that right? Do you actually believe that Bush has not lied since becoming president?

Albert
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He said that when freedom takes hold in Iraq that it would spread to other countries in the middle east. Looks like he was a prophet!
 
Absalom,

If spontaneous abortion is not a form of abortion why is the word abortion in the name?

Albert
 
Albert,

If you want to call it an abortion, then I won’t stop you. You just go right ahead. The point is that that whole spontaneous part. Sheesh. “Abortion” becomes wrong when it is a case of a person actively killing by choice a living, human, unborn being.
 
Albert Kopsho:
Absalom,

If spontaneous abortion is not a form of abortion why is the word abortion in the name?

Albert
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Abortion is a medical term which is morally neutral as long as it is not artificially induced. Spontaneous abortion, by definition, is not an induced abortion…it is not sought after…it is a natural occurrence just like any other death. It is only when the abortion is actively sought that it becomes morally wrong.
 
Absalom!:
… but it’s just so much fun having a mindless conversation with someone who mindlessly repeats the same **** over and over again.
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Yep, this captures the essence and crux of your failed reasoning. Now, if you would only allow the Holy Spirit to have a mindful conversation with you:

Romans, Chapter 12:2* "*Do not conform yourselves to this age but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and pleasing and perfect.”

And your rebuttal? Comeback?
 
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garfield:
Coming to this from the other side of the pond as it were (please excuse my ignorance) It would seem that mr Bush does not appear to have done much to reduce abortions but because he says he is against abortion he got a lot of Christians to support him.
Do you think it is right to vote for someone who claims to be pro-life if you disagree with them on other important issues such as war in Iraq, fair trade, human rights or the environment?
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Good observation Garfield,

The real reason to vote for Bush is that he may have the opportunity to appoint 4 supreme court justices who are like minded about abortion. With that, we will be able to overturn Roe v. Wade. Until then, there is little possibility of the law being amended in congress.

ybiC,
Trevor
 
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And Kerry does tell the truth?
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It depends on which Kerry you are talking to at the time. The one who was for the war, or the one who was against it.

The one who spent Christmas in Cambodia, or the one who didn’t

The one who said the US should chart it’s own path, or the one who wanted to consult with France before we do anything.

One of those Kerry’s HAD to be telling the truth 😃
 
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garfield:
Coming to this from the other side of the pond as it were (please excuse my ignorance) It would seem that mr Bush does not appear to have done much to reduce abortions but because he says he is against abortion he got a lot of Christians to support him.
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Just saying it is a big deal here, believe me. No one in office wants to talk about abortion. So many people are implicated and feel guilty and defensive. Coming out against it can be political suicide. And what can he really do? He’s been trying like crazy to get prolife judges (although it’s hard to be certain how a judge will really vote) appointed but the Dems in the Senate has pulled out all the stops to shoot down his candidates. But at least GW kept the issue out there, especially in the debates. People are so used to the modern hedonistic lifestyle that they really don’t want to think about this much. It may all be calculated on his part, who knows. I don’t care.
 
Albert Kopsho:
Dj Roy Albert,

I do not believe in abortion except in the cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother and I gave the reason in a previous post why I am remaining Democrat.

Albert
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Albert when is the last time you heard of an unborn child raping anyone:mad: How is it that the unborn child is responsible for incest?To save the life of the mother my foot:banghead: If you are speaking of a high risk pregnancy they have doctors who specialize in that.You try to save the live of both!
 
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porthos11:
Absalom,

You and I must be masochists. I haven’t had this much fun since YAQUBOS.
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Yeeeeee-ha!

Of course, I also find this very said. I find anyone who claims to believe that abortion is wrong and says that the economy is more important to be very sad.
 
hey Mr koposho!! havent answered me yet!!! are scared of something?? I read your rant that the econemy is more important than abortion. shame on you!!! how can you call yourself Catholic!??:? so a few bucks in your pocket is more important than an unborn child getting ripped apart in the womb!!! SHAME ON YOU!!! I have more respect for Atheists for Life than you! Im quite frankly tired of your WWII drivel , both parties are nothing like what they were in WWII, thats anient history. I dont care what either party did 60 years ago. what matters is the now. now what matters more than all else is abortion. everyday we keep the policy of legal abortion we get ever closer to God’s punishment, which may have started already with terrorism going on. you better repent soon, because the best econemy in the world wont save your soul from punishment for being acomplace to murder of the unborn.
 
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aspawloski4th:
hey Mr koposho!! havent answered me yet!!! are scared of something?? I read your rant that the econemy is more important than abortion. shame on you!!! how can you call yourself Catholic!??:? so a few bucks in your pocket is more important than an unborn child getting ripped apart in the womb!!! SHAME ON YOU!!! I have more respect for Atheists for Life than you! Im quite frankly tired of your WWII drivel , both parties are nothing like what they were in WWII, thats anient history. I dont care what either party did 60 years ago. what matters is the now. now what matters more than all else is abortion. everyday we keep the policy of legal abortion we get ever closer to God’s punishment, which may have started already with terrorism going on. you better repent soon, because the best econemy in the world wont save your soul from punishment for being acomplace to murder of the unborn.
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Loski,

I think the guy is either plain obstinate or he’s ill in the head. He has absolutely no desire to learn, and I think his soul is already dead. Too bad. He needs prayers, but I fear he is so hardened that he would not accept any grace God gives him.

If he’s ill though, then that’s his hope.
 
If you are opposed to abortion on the moral grounds that abortion is murder, then you cannot make exceptions for rape, incest or a deformity of the fetus, for the same reason that you cannot kill a person because she was the result of rape or incest, or somehow deformed or mentally retarded.

That’s a very big IF.
 
Uracan . agreed. I believe in no reasons for abortion. after seeing an ultrasound of an abortion when I was 11 decided abortion is never excusable, and Id fight it anyway can. btw Im 37 now.
 
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porthos11:
Loski,

I think the guy is either plain obstinate or he’s ill in the head. He has absolutely no desire to learn, and I think his soul is already dead. Too bad. He needs prayers, but I fear he is so hardened that he would not accept any grace God gives him.

If he’s ill though, then that’s his hope.
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Unfortunately, it is an illness that has become contagious among Catholics, especially in strong democratic areas like ours. I actually went to a talk given by a priest who tried to say that medical insurance, economics, foreign relations, etc. were equal issues to abortion, embryonic stem cell research, euthanasia, and homosexual “marriage”. I was so angry I couldn’t even respond. I knew I would just blow my top. It was better not to start. But all I could think was this:
Not long ago, I saw a man standing on a corner with a sign that said “homeless, hungry, diabetic”. It happened to be pay day so I bought the man a meal at a local restaurant and took it to him. I only gave him one meal. No home, no job, no insulin. Of course, I could have pulled over and gave the guy a lethal injection and apparently it would have been an equal act since I would have been putting the poor guy out of his misery. This is where all this Keretic logic gets us. I agree, it is a sickness. 😦
 
Albert Kopsho:
legeorge,

If I am a Pro Life Democrat what was I supposed to do vote Republican? Democrats vote Democrat.Albert
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If you are PRO LIFE, then VOTE PRO LIFE!!!
That’s what I do! 🙂
 
In this thread my argument is not specifically against abortion. I’m just pointing out that if you are against abortion because you think it is murder then you can’t make exceptions for the condition of the fetus or the circumstances of the conception.

However, I can accept the argument for an abortion to save the life of the mother.
 
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