Catholic League anounces boycott of "Golden Compass"

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It’s more the books that are anti-religious, especially anit catholic. Obviously some of the negative aspects from the book had to be “played down” for the movie. The books were written by an atheist who is very open about it’s anti-Narnia theme.

The evil group in the book is called the Magisterium, so that should show you how particularly anti-catholic the author is. I don’t normally like to spoil endings but here I have no quams. The book series ends with a mercy killing of God.

Funny how the author is unable to write this book without using a god charachter.

Steven Hawking(though not anti christian, his wife is very Christian I believe he is agnostic) ran into a similar difficulty writing his book “a Brief History of Time”. That is there is one charachter in his book and it is God.
 
See this:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=2920880&postcount=70
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Of course, Pullman excoriates hypocrisy, authoritarianism and the kind of religious observance that diminishes life to a collection of ‘thou shalt nots’. He attacks self-righteousness, sanctimonious cant,
and that species of overbearing moral superiority that never admits the possibility of being wrong and which is prepared to destroy individual lives in pursuit of a ‘big idea’.

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I have heard that the Golden Compass movie is supposed to be really bad and anti-religious. I haven’t quite picked up why. Does anyone know about this? Thanks and God bless.
Hi Montie, I think it’s “ok” to watch the flick. Check-out the article.🙂

And Alec, Pullman likes the mighty $$$$. Whatever values you may think Pullman has doesn’t erase the fact that according to the article below, he is willing to compromise for the sake of fame and fortune. 😃 I do plan on seeing the movie since Nicole Kidman will be featured in it. 🙂 Seems like that little Catholic girlie got her way!. 😉

**Dark Materials movie softens book’s attacks on Catholic church

Vanessa Thorpe, arts and media correspondent
Sunday October 14, 2007
The Observer**
*One of the key religious themes of Philip Pullman’s award-winning series of children’s novels, His Dark Materials, has been watered down to appeal to a wider audience in the new Hollywood film version of the first book. The original story’s rejection of organised religion, and in particular of the historic abuse of power in the Catholic Church, has been altered to avoid offending followers of the faith in the UK and in America.

The film, which stars Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig, is called The Golden Compass after the American title of Pullman’s novel Northern Lights and has followed his magical narrative very closely in most respects. The characterisation of the sinister organisation known as the Magisterium has, however, been changed, so that the film will now appear to be a more general attack on dogmatic authorities of every kind.

Northern Lights, the book which first introduced readers to Pullman’s 12-year-old heroine, Lyra, is as dear to its many fans as JRR Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings and JK Rowling’s Harry Potter saga, so tampering with the philosophical content is not likely to be welcomed when the film is released before Christmas. While Pullman himself has said he believes ‘the outline of the story is faithful to what I wrote, given my knowledge of what they have done’, the National Secular Society - of which the author is an honorary associate - has now spoken out against the changes.

‘It was clear right from the start that the makers of this film intended to take out the anti-religious elements of Pullman’s book,’ said Terry Sanderson, president of the society. ‘In doing that they are taking the heart out of it, losing the point of it, castrating it. It seems that religion has now completely conquered America’s cultural life and it is much the poorer for it. What a shame that we have to endure such censorship here too.’

Kidman has said the critical stance of the film ‘has been watered down a little … I was raised Catholic, the Catholic Church is part of my essence,’ she told film journalists in Australia in the summer. *‘I wouldn’t be able to do this film if I thought it were at all anti-Catholic.’ ** (article continues)
guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2190947,00.html#article_continue

 
Your fallacy is to confuse work which is negative to a group of people because of who they are by birth (which we call racism or sexism, and which is, indeed, inappropriate), with work that criticizes certain ideas or mores of people or groups of people as Pullman has done, which is entirely appropriate.
I was born into Catholicism. We’re called cradle Catholics. I come from a long line of them too. Our family has been able to date it’s history back to the 15th century. Many people who do not even pracitice still consider themselves Catholic. They consider their faith to be a part of who they are whether or not they actually pratice it. Of course since Catholics as a whole do not have a particular look to them then I guess that makes it ok to offend them. So your saying if people look a certain way then you can not offend them?

Critizing is ok, provided your actually critizing what that group of people really do believe. I have read several interviews that Pullman has done. In his interviews he admits the anti-religious themes. In fact he specially states that he can not stand either Narnia or the Lord Of The Rings series because of there Christian/religious themes. There are enough sources out there, including Snopes, that do admit that the series is anti-religious/anti-Christian. Are you saying Snopes is not reliable?
Do you really fail see the fallacy in your comparison? Anti-clerical does not mean anti-Christian, and whereas it is inappropriate to characterize people on the basis of their race or gender, it is entirely appropriate to criticize beliefs and attitudes. No religion or regime should be above criticism.
Well, perhaps Pullman’s and Benedict’s world views are not so far apart as you think - except, as I said, Pullman is anti-clerical and anti-authoritarian, and all the better for it.
You do realize what being anti-authoritarian really says don’t you? No matter where you go there is going to be an authoritarian set up. Where you work, live, play etc. In fact our entire government system is authoritarian by nature. It is simply the way we are made. Does he critize a particular authoritarian system or authoritarian systems in general?
They might have a point, don’t you think? As you haven’t actually read the book, let me explain that Christianity or Catholicism as it exists today does not appear explicitly in the books. Of course he does attack certain attitudes which are common to much religion, including Christianity, Judaism, Islam and others, but why shouldn’t he do that? Why should any religion be above criticism, or ridicule, or satire?
The Magesterium is listed as well as a church and he has priest and nuns in this series. What do you think people are going to believe? Is his series a fair representation of Christianity and in particular Catholicism? If it’s not than he is not really criticizing Christianity. He is criticizing a belief system that he made up, and trying to pass it off as Christianity. Pullman has also stated in an interview that he is giving serious thoughts to doing another book with Jesus in it.
The books are not for seven or eight year olds, not because of their secular views, but because they require considerable sophistication to understand them. As for offending, why would one *not *write books that are offensive? - good literature is not intended to mollify us by saccharine sentiment or comforting reinforcement - it is meant to subvert and unsettle us and make us think hard about our received opinions and our place in the world. That is the purpose of serious literature.
This is not adult literature we’re talking about. Adult literature can be heavy, yes, but children’s literature should not be that heavy. Otherwise it will go right over their heads. What is the purpose in a children’s book being offensive? Is the author trying to offend the children or the adults? I have read a number of children’s fantasy books and I have yet to run across any that someone would consider truly offensive. You can make people think without being offensive. Offending them is going to do nothing but turn them off to what you have to say.
 
Hi Montie, I think it’s “ok” to watch the flick. Check-out the article.🙂

And Alec, Pullman likes the mighty $$$$. Whatever values you may think Pullman has doesn’t erase the fact that according to the article below, he is willing to compromise for the sake of fame and fortune. 😃 I do plan on seeing the movie since Nicole Kidman will be featured in it. 🙂 Seems like that little Catholic girlie got her way!. 😉
What I don’t understand is if they truly felt the series was going to be that offensive and they really felt the need to tone it down to the point of changing a major part of the book than why did they make the movie?

I know, I know $$$$!!! 😃

From what I have read his fans are not happy with this movie at all. They feel it’s too different from the book.
 
What I don’t understand is if they truly felt the series was going to be that offensive and they really felt the need to tone it down to the point of changing a major part of the book than why did they make the movie?

I know, I know $$$$!!! 😃

From what I have read his fans are not happy with this movie at all. They feel it’s too different from the book.
Hi Sabda,

It would be impossible for Putman’s fans to to know about the movie since it isn’t being released until December 2007.
imdb.com/title/tt0385752/releaseinfo


I just watched the trailer which seemed quite harmless to me.
imdb.com/title/tt0385752/releaseinfo


As I earlier posted:

Kidman has said the critical stance of the film ‘has been watered down a little … I was raised Catholic, the Catholic Church is part of my essence,’ she told film journalists in Australia in the summer. ‘I wouldn’t be able to do this film if I thought it were at all anti-Catholic.’ (article continues)
guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2190947,00.html#article_continue

 
Hi Sabda,

It would be impossible for Putman’s fans to to know about the movie since it isn’t being released until December 2007.
imdb.com/title/tt0385752/releaseinfo
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385752/releaseinfo

I just watched the trailer which seemed quite harmless to me.
imdb.com/title/tt0385752/releaseinfo
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385752/releaseinfo

As I earlier posted:

Kidman has said the critical stance of the film ‘has been watered down a little … I was raised Catholic, the Catholic Church is part of my essence,’ she told film journalists in Australia in the summer. ‘I wouldn’t be able to do this film if I thought it were at all anti-Catholic.’ (article continues)
guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2190947,00.html#article_continue
Religion row hits Pullman epic | UK news | The Guardian
Sorry. Here is the trailer:
goldencompassmovie.com/
http://www.goldencompassmovie.com/

I can’t wait to see the movie! I’ve written many short stories with a flair of fantasy. 🙂
 
I was born into Catholicism. We’re called cradle Catholics. I come from a long line of them too. Our family has been able to date it’s history back to the 15th century. Many people who do not even pracitice still consider themselves Catholic. They consider their faith to be a part of who they are whether or not they actually pratice it. Of course since Catholics as a whole do not have a particular look to them then I guess that makes it ok to offend them. So your saying if people look a certain way then you can not offend them?
No, I am saying that it is OK to criticise beliefs and attitudes and mores, but not to attack people on the basis of their race or sex. What is difficult to understand about that? Fundamental Islamists come from families that trace their Islamic faith back before 15th century – are you suggesting that therefore what they stand for should be immune from criticism? That makes no sense at all.
Critizing is ok, provided your actually critizing what that group of people really do believe. I have read several interviews that Pullman has done. In his interviews he admits the anti-religious themes. In fact he specially states that he can not stand either Narnia or the Lord Of The Rings series because of there Christian/religious themes. There are enough sources out there, including Snopes, that do admit that the series is anti-religious/anti-Christian. Are you saying Snopes is not reliable?
I don’t see why you think Snopes is especially reliable and particularly more reliable than finding out for yourself. The honourable and intelligent thing to do would be to read the books yourself instead of having your strings pulled like a puppet. I have acknowledged that the books are anti-religious, or at least anti-clerical, but they are not explicitly anti-Christian, which you would discover if you bothered to read them for yourself instead of getting in a lather because someone else tells you that you should. (By the way, liking or disliking novels does not amount to a moral issue. I can’t stand the Narnia novels myself, because I think them dishonest, delusive and cloying. But, I know there are many people who think they are marvellous, and good luck to them. On the other hand, I have always thought that LOTR is a tremendous yarn about the ability off the apparently weak to influence great events)

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You do realize what being anti-authoritarian really says don’t you?
Yes, but I don’t think that you do.
No matter where you go there is going to be an authoritarian set up. Where you work, live, play etc. In fact our entire government system is authoritarian by nature. It is simply the way we are made. Does he critize a particular authoritarian system or authoritarian systems in general?
There is a difference between the legitimate exercise of authority in appropriate areas of life (which is fine) and the unbalanced imposition of authoritarian processes to suppress independent thought and to meddle inappropriately in people’s lives (which is not). You need to look up the meaning of “authoritarianism”. As far as that goes, think of the Third Reich, most Marxist states, the pre-revolution Russian oligarchy, modern Islamic states, modern Zimbabwe, censorship of ideas in all societies, the Index, the Syllabus of Errors, the Holy Office of the Inquisition and its successors, almost all theocracies and so on.
Is his series a fair representation of Christianity and in particular Catholicism? If it’s not than he is not really criticizing Christianity
Well there you go – if you stop reacting to what other people have told you about some vague report about the novels, and actually read them, you would find out that the books do not contain an explicit representation of Christianity and in particular Catholicism at all, either fair or unfair – so, on your logic, “he is not really criticizing Christianity.” Isn’t that nice?
This is not adult literature we’re talking about. Adult literature can be heavy, yes, but children’s literature should not be that heavy. Otherwise it will go right over their heads. What is the purpose in a children’s book being offensive? Is the author trying to offend the children or the adults? I have read a number of children’s fantasy books and I have yet to run across any that someone would consider truly offensive. You can make people think without being offensive. Offending them is going to do nothing but turn them off to what you have to say.
Your complaints here seem to be based more on literary than ideological concerns. As I have already pointed out, these books are not for young children, because young children won’t understand them. They require a good deal of sophistication and are as much aimed at adults as older teenagers. With all due respect to your reading list, children’s fantasy stories do not generally carry the serious import of His Dark Materials. I can only repeat that literature to be truly good is almost always subversive, shocking, uncomfortable or offensive to some – otherwise it fails to surprise and to provide a fresh insight into the world and its ways – it becomes no more than a syrupy reinforcement of conventional thinking.

Alec
evolutionpages.com/Organelle_transitional.htm
 
I’m going to buy this book tomorrow. I suspectit is as anti-religious as everyone says it is. However having seen the absolute nonsense posted about the Harry Potter books I’m not prepared to make a judgment until I’ve read it. I will let you all know what I think assuming I dont burst into flames, break out in hives or turn into a pillar of salt
 
I’m perfectly capable of discussing this movie with kids, drawing lessons, analyzing characters, asking questions. What’s the big deal? I can handle it, so can the kids. I get the impression from some people they expect everyone else to do their job for them.
So you think that parents shouldn’t decide what their children should and shouldn’t watch? :confused:
 
Sorry. Here is the trailer:
goldencompassmovie.com/
http://www.goldencompassmovie.com/

I can’t wait to see the movie! I’ve written many short stories with a flair of fantasy. 🙂
I too have seen the trailer.Yes, it looks fantastic and like you I love fantasy. Everything that I have read about these series of books says that they are well written and entertaining. That doesn’t mean that I will watch them though. Just because something is entertaining doesn’t mean that it is good for you.

If you must watch it why not wait until it comes out on DVD. I think that it cody a little less to watch a DVD then see a movie in the theater, so at least you won’t be putting as much money in Pullman’s pocket.

I am going to check the books out of the library so that I can at least say that I have read them.

On a good note perhaps this series will inspire you to write Christian fantasy. Your books could be a very positive influence on young people.
 
I’m going to buy this book tomorrow. I suspectit is as anti-religious as everyone says it is. However having seen the absolute nonsense posted about the Harry Potter books I’m not prepared to make a judgment until I’ve read it. I will let you all know what I think assuming I dont burst into flames, break out in hives or turn into a pillar of salt
Check the books out of the library. That way you don’t reward Pullman for writing anti religious novels.
 
Grrrrrrrrr! it’s just a book and a movie, big whoop. Don’t we as christians have bigger problems to worry about?
I’m glad you are not attracted to this attempt to evanglize the young for athiesm. I have 2 preteen adopted children, who are struggling right now to reconcile the pain they have experianced with the Catholic Faith we are raising them in. I will not expose them to anything that makes life more difficult for them. As a parent my duty is to point to them to Christ. This does not point anywere near our Lord
Peace be with my young one
 
Hi Sabda,

It would be impossible for Putman’s fans to to know about the movie since it isn’t being released until December 2007.
imdb.com/title/tt0385752/releaseinfo
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385752/releaseinfo

I just watched the trailer which seemed quite harmless to me.
imdb.com/title/tt0385752/releaseinfo
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385752/releaseinfo

As I earlier posted:

Kidman has said the critical stance of the film ‘has been watered down a little … I was raised Catholic, the Catholic Church is part of my essence,’ she told film journalists in Australia in the summer. ‘I wouldn’t be able to do this film if I thought it were at all anti-Catholic.’ (article continues)
guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2190947,00.html#article_continue
Religion row hits Pullman epic | UK news | The Guardian
I believe the fans are going by what they know about the movie, not what they have actually seen. They have heard that it has been seriously toned down and the anti-religious stuff taken out, they do not like that idea at all. They want it as is.
 
I haven’t read the books myself, but a public boycott will most probably only bring more publicity.
 
Hi there, thought this would be of interest to you. I’m generally not a “jump on the bandwagon” kind of person but also realize that we are in a spiritual battle for our children’s minds. After reading the reviews, etc… I would strongly encourage you to pass this along.

Beware all of you parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, or anyone who cares about children. The Golden Compass is an anti-religious film disguised as a children’s movie. It is based on a series of books written by atheist Phillip Pullman which ends in the children killing God and doing whatever they desire. It will be coming out this winter starring Nichole Kidman. Click on the snopes urban legends link below for detailed information.

I thought you might find the following article from snopes.com interesting: snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp
 
If I get one more email warning me about this movie, I’m going to scream.

OK! I GET IT!

sheesh
 
hecd2
Your post gave me several good chuckles. 🙂 I do believe we are simply going to have to agree to disagree on this.
 
I totally agree with what you are saying…there will ALWAYS be movies and books that challenge our Faith. It is our responsibility to raise our children warning them of such, but if we raise them correctly and explain these things to them, they wil stay safe. Banning will certainly make this book and or movie all the more enticing.
I have to say that I am always disturbed when I read about boycotts on books and the movies made that are based on books. As a teacher, I think that banning books is patently wrong. As a Catholic, I have always been proud of my upbringing and my faith, specifically that the main message I received growing up is that it is not my place to judge others. My parents and grandparents were Catholic and also teachers. They taught me that if my faith is strong and if they (my family) and my priests have done their job, then nothing that anyone writes or says about Catholics or our beliefs should in any way change what I believe. I have read these books, and while I admit it has been several years, I was not overwhelmed by an anti-catholic message. My mom and I read these books together. We certainly discussed the anti-organized religion themes, and that is one great thing about books like this. Parents should ALWAYS read the books their children are reading, and what better way to strengthen a child’s faith then to talk about a book or a movie and how it reflects or attacks their personal faith. The strongest memories I have of Philip Pullman’s series, and he is an exceptional writer, is how he showed the beauty and sanctity of a child’s pure soul and the presence of God in every part of the universe. Perhaps it isn’t what he intended, but it’s certainly what I saw in the story. I think that instead of banning and boycotting we should embrace the opportunity for discussion and enlightenment while always keeping in mind that we are talking about a work of FICTION, and in this way teach our children to think for themselves.
 
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