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Christ bends to no one.
Catholic Women in Germany Demand Reform
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All laypeople, consecrated religious, deacons, priests, bishops, Cardinals, and the Holy Father himself bend down and to the floor in worship of Jesus Christ.
Great comment.
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Maximian
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Thank you!
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stpurl
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Excuse me but you accidentally attributed the quote to ME instead of to the person who said it: MAMA JEWEL.
I NEVER said that about JUNIA and in fact I refuted it.
Could you please erase or fix that quoted piece so it references the person who really said it? THank you.
I believe it was about post 22 and you can clearly see that she replied, using those words, to me.
I NEVER said that about JUNIA and in fact I refuted it.
Could you please erase or fix that quoted piece so it references the person who really said it? THank you.
I believe it was about post 22 and you can clearly see that she replied, using those words, to me.
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Oh excuse me, I must have copied from the wrong post. I do apologise
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Actually he said no such things. He said she (or possibly he depending on which reading) was “noted among the apostles,” i.e. well known to them.
The procrustean attempts, by people who want women’s ordination, to impose the sense of “a noted apostle among the apostles“ not only distort grammar but also fly in the face of reality and commonsense: if she had really been an apostle and indeed was an noteworthy one, she would have left a legacy more concrete than a doubtful single reference in one letter of St Paul. And for sure she would have been followed by other examples of female ordination.
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Done, once again with apologies
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Sursumcorda1
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When else have we heard Germans demanding who should and should not be in a place?
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stpurl
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No problem and thank you very much for fixing it. And I totally agree with you.
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MamaJewel
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Really?
What was that little occurrence between Mama Mary and the Archangel Gabriel moments before her Fiat?
He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16* j Simon Peter said in reply, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” 17Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood* has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. 18k And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. 19l I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven.* Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” 20* m Then he strictly ordered his disciples to tell no one that he was the Messiah.
Read it, straight from the USCCB. This^^
I will speak my truth, to bad if you don’t like my lived experience. Do not even try to beat me down with your “lashing out” remark. Sorry, that doesn’t work on me anymore. It makes me tell even more truth from my experience. And please don’t write of my healing. I laugh at phony concern from those who blatantly deny what Christ said.
Read your Bible, dear Christian. And weep.
You just can’t metaphysically fathom that God Himself surrendered His Will over to a mere mortal like the pope.
Again, I say that the pope can do as the pope sees fit to lead the Church. Christ made it so right out of His Own Mouth.
That decided path might not be holy. It might be very holy. It might be messed up, twisted, straight, whatever the pope chooses. And God accepts the pope’s authoritative decision, right/wrong, good/bad, cold/hot/lukewarm, holy or unholy.
That’s the beauty of the whole Christian story. That God so loved the world…
that He gave mere mortal humans free will and then subjected Himself to that very human will, beyond death and even unto heaven.
The only reassurance we have for the process is that the gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church (you know, that place of salvation).
And you know what, that^^ is where my healing lies.
Because people can be real finks.
And even a Good God suffers to heaven for it.
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Maximian
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There is no such thing as “my” truth. There is only one truth, which exists objectively and independently of personal opinion.
catholic03
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You do know that Pope John Paul II ruled definitively on women priests and said they can never be. Pope Francis has said this as well.
What gives you the impression that the doctrines can change?
What gives you the impression that the doctrines can change?
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MamaJewel
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And where in any of Chrysostom’s writing do you find him say there was a woman priest, let alone a woman apostle?
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Maximian
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I also share the labours of my parish priest and travel with him and perform other ministries such as forwarding his emails, organising venues and keeping the sacristy in order; but I am not a priest.
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ThomasMT
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Your “truth” is not necessarily THE truth, especially with regard to early Church history. No one is trying to “bash you down.” I’m sorry that you think that simply because “your lived experience” does not dictate the teachings of the Church.
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Minks
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Just . . . W o w!stpurl:
Sadly, I think it is within some of the teachings of church fathers following the acceptance of Christianity by the Roman emperor Constantine. That influence has remained within the Christian Faith throughout the ages. It has also separated the way Christians view women in the role of salvation compared to how Jews view women in relation to the worship of God.
When it’s bishops or priests, how can it be from outside of the church?
Nope. Nada. Most Americans that I know don’t say they are egalitarian or that they champion women. They will straight-up say that women deserve to earn less and be looked over for career advancements because they have babies and take time out of their careers to fill care giver roles to family. Americans tell you that women don’t negotiate for better pay, so they are to ultimately blame for making less. But Americans will also say that women need to watch how they are assertive if they don’t want to appear expletive. So, yep, I am saying Americans do this because we really do it. This has been my lived experience and the lived experience of those that I know.
The Church proclaims to be the source of moral authority through Christ. With great power comes great responsibility.
The Church, the “pillar and bulwark of the truth,” “has received this solemn command of Christ from the apostles to announce the saving truth.” “To the Church belongs the right always and everywhere to announce moral principles, including those pertaining to the social order, and to make judgments on any human affairs to the extent that they are required by the fundamental rights of the human person or the salvation of souls.” (CCC, no. 2032, citing 1 Tm 3:15; LG, no. 17; CIC, can. 747 §2)
Church needs to live what it says it holds dear to be Truth. Actions speak louder than words, and when someone, including an organization, shows you who they are, believe them.
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Mr.Phoenix
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I think there are some saints and even a vision of Mary (rue du bac or la sallette) where the church will be eclipsed.
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Maximian
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Unless of course it’s a traditionalist order. Then they are very quick.
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TMC
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I think that these women have the same right to speak out as any other Catholic. I understand that many people think they are wrong. I understand that the Church may never implement they things they request, and that many believe the Church cannot do so. But saying they should just leave the Church is wrong, and denying them a voice is also wrong. There are certainly plenty of others agitating for change in the Church who are not treated in that manner.
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