Catholics Don't Understand Church History

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ArchStanton said:
Did the church down the street possess the keys?
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Yes, they do now. Souls are being saved and nourished, outside the CC.

The church down the street uses the same Scriptures and tradition and history and Spirit that leads unto life that the CC laid as a foundation and is at all of our disposal to use.
 
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Gorgias said:
Did He give your Church a divine grant of proxy in setting doctrine?
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Well, more if a proxy to defend true doctrine, that was already laid down in early CC. And salvific doctrine was laid down quite early was it not?
 
If you have His body do you not also have His blood soul and divinity?

And if you have His divinity, His Spirit, do you not also have His body, blood and soul?
 
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However, leaving Catholicism to become Protestant or other religion makes no sense if one actually understood the faith.
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Here is an example of a Jesuit priest who left Catholicism for the Russian Orthodox Church. I believe he did understand the faith as he held a position in the Vatican. He explains why he left on another video and it was related to how the Russian Orthodox people are treated in Ukraine.


 
Cuts both ways.

Nor did He correct Himself if He meant it only in an unbloody manner. He didn’t.
 
Well, a bit skewed. You can focus too much on the present presence of the Eucharist, like Peter did at Transfiguration, and loose central focus of the covenant and the Cross, being the bridge of better things to come upon His return.

We bicker at the how of eating Him at expense of the message reconciliation at the Cross, the new covenant.

The cross, His sacrificial death, is more central to the story than our method of remembrance and communion with Him . The eating of Him was reference to His death, which they were not ready nor willing to hear, much less His Ascension, which He does mention explicitly
 
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AlNg said:
Here is an example of a Jesuit priest who left Catholicism for the Russian Orthodox Church. I believe he did understand the faith as he held a position in the Vatican.
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Judas held a position with the original 12 but didn’t truly ‘understand the faith’
 
That is much later than the ch6 eating discourse, when many non believing from the beginning “disciples” left Him.
 
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mcq72 said:
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ArchStanton:
Did the church down the street possess the keys?
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Yes, they do now. Souls are being saved and nourished, outside the CC.

The church down the street uses the same Scriptures and tradition and history and Spirit that leads unto life that the CC laid as a foundation and is at all of our disposal to use.
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You may begin showing the verses for the ‘protestant keys’
 
AlNg said:
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ArchStanton:
Judas held a position with the original 12 but didn’t truly ‘ understand the faith ’
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Was Judas a professor of Catholic theology?
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He was just handpicked by the God of our Universe [and was with HIM for 3 years]
 
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mcq72 said:
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ArchStanton:
Did the church down the street possess the keys?
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Yes, they do now. Souls are being saved and nourished, outside the CC.
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“Souls are being saved and nourished” is a distinct concept from “the keys to the kingdom of heaven”. The former speaks to ministry only, while the latter also encompasses divine authority.
mcq72 said:
The church down the street uses the same Scriptures and tradition and history and Spirit that leads unto life that the CC laid as a foundation and is at all of our disposal to use.
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That’s like saying “I’ve read the NFL rulebook, therefore that makes me an NFL head coach.” It doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.
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Well, more if a proxy to defend true doctrine, that was already laid down in early CC.
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Ahh, but if the Catholic Church has that authority, and used it in the early days of the Church, and now relatively-recently-formed bodies lay down different doctrine… how can you claim that the new, novel, distinct doctrine is ‘true’?
 
ArchStanton said:
He was just handpicked by the God of our Universe [and was with HIM for 3 years]
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But Judas was not a professor of Catholic theology, so he would not be expected to know the Catholic faith in great detail, No?
 
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ArchStanton said:
Does it need further explanation?
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The Judas thing (not being a believer from the beginning) is a poor application of a believer who says Peter was first amongst equals, and not more anymore.

By the way, I think Judas understood the faith, just totally opposed the program of a second coming and not just a first and final coming.

What? Do the Orthodox priests have better pay or benefits than Catholic priests, something Judas would think of? He did switch for money.

I know how you feel about the switch, but still a wrong comparison.
 
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Gorgias said:
“Souls are being saved and nourished” is a distinct concept from “the keys to the kingdom of heaven”. The former speaks to ministry only, while the latter also encompasses divine authority .
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Kindly disagree to the apparent separation of the two. Which are really intertwined. The CC often uses the first use of keys even binding loosing, even forgiveness of sins, as excercised by Peter on Pentecost and Scripture recognizing the number of saved souls.
Gorgias said:
That’s like saying “I’ve read the NFL rulebook, therefore that makes me an NFL head coach.” It doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.
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No but it can make you a good referee.
Gorgias said:
Ahh, but if the Catholic Church has that authority, and used it in the early days of the Church, and now relatively-recently-formed bodies lay down different doctrine… how can you claim that the new, novel, distinct doctrine is ‘true’?
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It is not new doctrine. And some variances are merely products of free thought, and not binding on salvation.
 
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