Catholics Don't Understand Church History

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ConcernedConvert said:
Unfortunately many Catholics do not know enough to defend their faith and often leave. A great example of this is the Mormon church. Their history is wrong, their interpretations are wrong, but because they can cite certain factual occurrences out of context they are able to convince Catholics who do not know anything on the subject.
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Maybe. But the Mormons that I have known, and those that I have heard about, are people of good moral character. Sometimes people are convinced by good example more than by rhetoric.
 
AlNg said:
And your answer? I read that for hundreds of years it was from right to left but the Roman Church changed it.
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Yes. Originally the sign of the cross was as the Orthodox do it–right to left. But the people imitated the priest–like in a mirror–and began doing it left to right. It was still a mixed bag in the 13th c.–Pope Innocent III writes about it. Apparently it wasn’t a big deal at the time, but it was noticed that people were doing it both ways.
 
AlNg said:
And your answer? I read that for hundreds of years it was from right to left but the Roman Church changed it.
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It is irrelevant because at least in the Catholic Church we are not obligated to sign the cross one way or the other.
 
Montrose said:
It is irrelevant because at least in the Catholic Church we are not obligated to sign the cross one way or the other.
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Right. We’re just asked to not do it in such a way that it looks like you’re merely trying to shoo flies away from your face… 🤣
 
Most Catholics who get hung up on history tend to become Orthodox. I’m ok with this since they have all 7 true Sacraments too.
 
faith4ever said:
I have been gone and studying the issue I have been struck by how little most laity and priests really know about church history or doctrine.
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Big deal. So what? A Catholic doesn’t have to know Church history to be a good Catholic or a good priest.
… or maybe you’re referring to the nonsense, mendacious “church history” that your Protestant friends have brainwashed you with.
. These “conservative” Catholics were going on about how evil Martin Luther was
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Luther was a heretic. He opposed the one, true Church founded by Christ.
I have had so many conversations like that with Catholics I came to see that they really have no idea about the facts of their faith.
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My guess is you left the Catholic Church because you yourself “have no idea about the facts of” the Catholic faith.
 
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faith4ever said:
Like my last parish priest in Salem, Oregon who openly stated in a church group that papal encyclicals are “too hard to read.” I know it’s not all Catholics, but it’s 90 per cent
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Well, CC replicates much of OT, and apparently per Scriptures we read of not just Scribes but religious “lawyers”, so also today. How else do you go from a page or two of Nicene Council decrees to the many pages of. Trent Council decrees. We cleverly weigh everything, much like development in Judaism. Augustine did say sometimes the letter ( too much of it?) can kill the Spirit of the thing.

The only good thing about it all is the idea of the exactitude and reality of absolute truths ( as opposed to relative).
 
I have found that 100% of Catholics who have left the Church never really understood their faith.
 
Niblo said:
How did you manage to do that…did you interview each and every one of them?
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To quote Venerable Fulton Sheen, “There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”

I haven’t met a “former” Catholic who didn’t have some misunderstanding of the Church.
 
Buzzard3 said:
My guess is you left the Catholic Church because you yourself “have no idea about the facts of” the Catholic faith.
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MarkRome said:
I have found that 100% of Catholics who have left the Church never really understood their faith
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Perhaps. Yet most reformers definitely had a good idea of the CC, even as they came from it’s clergy, some being teachers.

Is one that has had parochial schooling by nuns, and high school by Jesuits, being an altar boy, member of Dominic Savio Club, praying many souls out of Purgatory while by repeating “Jesus, Mary, and Joseph” while waiting in any line etc., being able to produce a multi page report on his bishop’s confirmation sermon leave a child with “no idea about the facts of the Catholic faith.”?
 
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MarkRome said:
I haven’t met a “former” Catholic who didn’t have some misunderstanding of the Church
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Perhaps you will agree that the above is a very long way from this:

‘I have found that 100% of Catholics who have left the Church never really understood their faith.’
 
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Niblo said:
Perhaps you will agree that the above is a very long way from this:
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Not at all. Same thing worded differently. Did you want to address the veracity of the statement or just argue over semantics?
 
MarkRome said:
Not at all. Same thing worded differently. Did you want to address the veracity of the statement or just argue over semantics?
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I merely want to know how you managed to confirm that: ‘100% of Catholics who have left the Church never really understood their faith.’

Please produce your evidence, and describe your methodology.
 
Niblo said:
I merely want to know how you managed to confirm that: ‘100% of Catholics who have left the Church never really understood their faith.’

Please produce your evidence, and describe your methodology.
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Focus on the point he was making and not the semantics.
 
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