Cecil the lion's killer revealed as American dentist

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Bubba_Switzler said:
For all we know he’s dining on lion steaks as we speak. I’ve no doubt that you think you could spend his money more wisely than he. It always seems that way to me when I watch the lifestyles of the rich and famous. There is more to disorder than your disapproval, though.

Our family often travel abroad and spend quite a bit as tourists (e.g. visiting Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle). Is that disordered? No.

My guess is that the dentist was relying on his guides and that they were the ones who made the error in the hunt. Whether such ignorance will constitute a viable legal defense is something we’ll have to leave to the courts.

I’m curious when excatly you believe “atavistic throwback passtimes” became disordered an pathalogical.
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Sorry those excuses do not hold water. He has a record of shooting rare animals to make himself feel like a man. He broke the law he should be punished. This has caused outrage and sadness. Who on earth does this fool think he is. I think we became less atavistic when we stopped human sacrifice and not feeding the non productive elderly. I suppose we should hunt them? This is a perfect example of the UNSPEAKABLE in persuit of the INEDIBLE.
 
And what about the pain his actions are bringing so many people?
 
Whether or not Palmer faces any legal repercussions in Zimbabwe his practice is in ruins and he is publically shamed. Can’t say that I feel bad for him though. Killing endangered animals as a pastime deserves some blowback.
 
JimmyG88 said:
Sorry those excuses do not hold water. He has a record of shooting rare animals to make himself feel like a man. He broke the law he should be punished. This has caused outrage and sadness. Who on earth does this fool think he is. I think we became less atavistic when we stopped human sacrifice and not feeding the non productive elderly. I suppose we should hunt them? This is a perfect example of the UNSPEAKABLE in persuit of the INEDIBLE.
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Let’s be honest. You are not concerned with the possiblity that he committed the crime of poaching. You just hate trophy hunting. You don’t hate him any less for his legal trophy hunts.

Causing outrage and sadness is not pathological. People are outraged and sad when their favorite fictional character is killed off.

Hunting was practiced long after human sacrifice was ended. So your theory is that for thousands of years afterwards hunting has been a pathology? That hardly makes sense.
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
Let’s be honest. You are not concerned with the possiblity that he committed the crime of poaching. You just hate trophy hunting. You don’t hate him any less for his legal trophy hunts.

Causing outrage and sadness is not pathological. People are outraged and sad when their favorite fictional character is killed off.

Hunting was practiced long after human sacrifice was ended. So your theory is that for thousands of years afterwards hunting has been a pathology? That hardly makes sense.
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I just do not believe that it’s civilised for people to shoot wildlife for pleasure. It’s sadism.
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
Let’s be honest. You are not concerned with the possiblity that he committed the crime of poaching. You just hate trophy hunting. You don’t hate him any less for his legal trophy hunts.
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Legal trophy hunting of endangered/vulnerable animals is like legal abortion.

It all perfectly conforms to the letter of the law, but its legality makes it no less contemptible.
 
While I oppose the wanton killing of an animal that in all likelihood, will not be eaten (it’s a cat, and we normally do not eat cats); I have to say that remarks like “we need fewer human beings and more lions” bother me infinitely more.

This kind of predator-romanticism can only occur because we have never lived in nature on its own terms. Nature is not kind, it is not our friend, it is “red in tooth and claw.”

Killing by human beings is part of that, no biggie, we have natural bodies.

If laws were broken, this fellow should be, and in all likelihood will be penalized. But to prefer animal life over human is just as bent, if not more, than big-game hunting, IMNAAHO.

And FWIW, I am not a hunter, but do not oppose it either.

ICXC NIKA
 
JimmyG88 said:
We have had a spate of there (sadly usually American) hunter ‘tourists’ killing endangered species such as white rhino, leopards and now this much lived lion. Surely there are no excuses for this uncivilised bloodthirsty behaviour

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/11767119/Cecil-the-lions-killer-revealed-as-American-dentist.html
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I think you have mischaracterize on a couple of fronts.
  1. your snide remark of sadly usually American without acknowledging this from your article
"I had no idea that the lion I took was a known, local favourite, was collared and part of a study until the end of the hunt. I relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt.
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It looks like the locals are to blame.
2. He had a license You may not like it but with you tying it with killing endangered species you slant your remarks
3. The guide has been charged, not American
4. The land owner also charged.
it is a separate issue if trophy hunting should be allowed not trying to make out that this hunt was some “American” who illegally hunted and killed an endangered species :rolleyes:
 
Some animals overpopulate and it can risk damage to the ecosystem. Usually, it is deer that you hear that do this.

The grey squirrel which was taken to England from the US has greatly grown there and risked pushing the native red squirrel out of its habitat. These kinds of problems have to be dealt with but I’m certainly against senselessly hunting wild animals in that. telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/wildlife/7812105/Red-squirrels-to-be-reintroduced-to-England.html

That’s why there are at times, call to cull certain animals. Of course, I want to be kind to wildlife in general.

Obviously, with the case at hand though, there is nothing about lions overpopulating the area.
 
Primal instinct or not, in most of the civilized world people have to jump through hoops for years to be allowed to hunt, and are deeply concerned with humane kills.

Killing a lion in the present day is like burning a dead sea scroll, people who do this exhibit a sheer lack of stewardship of God’s creation, and neglect the duty of conservation every true hunter feels… in my opinion.

There is no sympathy to be found anywhere around the globe for hunting like a wanton destructive idiot, so I suggest people stop embarrassing the US.
 
GEddie said:
While I oppose the wanton killing of an animal that in all likelihood, will not be eaten (it’s a cat, and we normally do not eat cats); I have to say that remarks like “we need fewer human beings and more lions” bother me infinitely more.

This kind of predator-romanticism can only occur because we have never lived in nature on its own terms. Nature is not kind, it is not our friend, it is “red in tooth and claw.”

Killing by human beings is part of that, no biggie, we have natural bodies.

If laws were broken, this fellow should be, and in all likelihood will be penalized. But to prefer animal life over human is just as bent, if not more, than big-game hunting, IMNAAHO.

And FWIW, I am not a hunter, but do not oppose it either.

ICXC NIKA
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To me, that is just another thing that is so sad here. The animal comes off looking more dignified than the person, right? I am not joking. It is so hard for me to see any kind of dignity in this man - just baseness. The very opposite of dignity in fact. The argument that we have dignity takes a hit…at least in my mind. I search and see none.
 
Path_Finder said:
Some animals overpopulate and it can risk damage to the ecosystem. … Obviously, with the case at hand though, there is nothing about lions overpopulating the area.
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Don’t rule that out.

In the case of endangered predators, the issue is almost never hunting but, rather, loss of territory to farming. That means…overpopulation.

So even though a predator might be endangered, the authorities will necessarily choose to allow a certain number to be taken by hunting to control the population instead of letting them die of starvation.

Shocking, huh?
 
While I agree that hunting is primal and if more people had to hunt and kill for food, they might have more respect for life and be encouraged to be good stewards of the earth. We buy our meat neatly packaged without a second thought about the brutality of the big agro industry. I never hunted but my late father loved to fish and crab, and I accompanied him often. I have much respect for hunters who use every part of their kill.

These trophy lion hunts are reprehensible to me. Many of these cats are hand-reared cubs that were used for photo ops and given to these canned hunt organizations when they lose their “cuteness” and become too large to handle safely. They have no natural fear of man, so they’re easy to kill.

I greatly admire this man and his efforts to provide a safe sanctuary for African lions:

lionwhisperer.co.za/
 
FollowChrist34 said:
To me, that is just another thing that is so sad here. The animal comes off looking more dignified than the person, right? I am not joking.
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I understand what you’re saying but has the dignity of those employed in the tourism business who might have lost their jobs over this been considered? There was a reason why this particular lion was “protected.” As it turns out, now the dentist himself will probably need to find a new line of work, among other things. What exactly was he thinking?
 
ProVobis said:
I understand what you’re saying but has the dignity of those employed in the tourism business who might have lost their jobs over this been considered? There was a reason why this particular lion was “protected.” As it turns out, now the dentist himself will probably need to find a new line of work, among other things. What exactly was he thinking?
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Presumably a local-citizen lured the animal out of the park to be killed; he is the one to be blamed for this abuse of hunting privileges.

ICXC NIKA.
 
ProVobis said:
What exactly was he thinking?
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This is a good question. Never having paid anyone $55,000 to destroy an animal that never did me any harm, I honestly can’t say. I confess to not feeling much empathy or sympathy here. Disgust, yes. Understanding, no. Maybe I am just not primal enough.
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
Hunting for food and pleasure, both. Almost nobody in the modern world “needs” to hunt for food. Food is, at best, just another benefit of hunting. People have enjoyed hunting since before the dawn of man.
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Yes, and this activity has driven many species into extinction. Entire forms of life snuffed out of existence for Man’s pleasure.
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
Hunting is an honorable tradition that is as old as mankind.
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Hunting for food yes, hunting for sport, no.

This whole story is disgusting. I’m ashamed to be an American.
I hope he is forced to return and stand trial. And I hope he is found guilty and pays both fines and jail time.
 
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