Cecil the lion's killer revealed as American dentist

[Deltadeliquent]

Hunting is an honorable tradition that is as old as mankind.

Hunting for food yes, hunting for sport, no.

This whole story is disgusting. I’m ashamed to be an American.

 

[Darryl_Revok]

While I oppose the wanton killing of an animal that in all likelihood, will not be eaten (it’s a cat, and we normally do not eat cats); I have to say that remarks like “we need fewer human beings and more lions” bother me infinitely more.

This kind of predator-romanticism can only occur because we have never lived in nature on its own terms. Nature is not kind, it is not our friend, it is “red in tooth and claw.”

I don’t romanticize predators, I’m merely disdainful of man’s attempts to impose his will over the entirety of the natural world.

One should not romanticize nature, or view predators as friends. But one should also not go the other extreme, and use the rarest, most precious aspects of nature for one’s own debased violent pleasures, like Walter Palmer DDS does.

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

Hunting for food yes, hunting for sport, no.

How old is hunting for sport? Well, the pharoes did so we can pretty much say it is a prehistoric behavior.

http://www.blujay.com/1/23/1434067_s1_i1.jpg

Virtuyally anyone who says they “hunt for food” is a liar.

 

[Theo520]

I expect the below quote is true, so the root cause is local greed and corruption. First and foremost they need to severely punish the licensed guides that arranged the hunt.

“In early July, I was in Zimbabwe on a bow hunting trip for big game. I hired several professional guides and they secured all proper permits. To my knowledge, everything about this trip was legal and properly handled and conducted,” he said.

 

[Darryl_Revok]

I expect the below quote is true, so the root cause is local greed and corruption. First and foremost they need to severely punish the licensed guides that arranged the hunt.

Palmer’s a smart guy. From the pictures of him with the rhino, he’s been around the block. Examine the quote closely:

“In early July, I was in Zimbabwe on a bow hunting trip for big game. I hired several professional guides and they secured all proper permits. To my knowledge, everything about this trip was legal and properly handled and conducted,” he said.

To me, the “To My Knowledge” leaps off the screen. It indicates that he sought to obtain a level of deniability. Something like: “Here’s $55,000. I want to kill this lion, and I don’t care to know how it’s done. Make it happen.”

 

[adrift]

The title of the article is Cecil lion’s killer revealed My understanding is that you must use the title and not change it as this OP did. It is against forum rules
2. Do not change the title of posted articles.

 

[mikekle]

Just saw this story on the news tonight, apparently this is destroying this dentists practice and life, he has had so many negative complaints against him, so many customers refusing to come to him anymore, looks like he will regret this decision for a long time!

Maybe it will teach him a lesson about respecting Gods creations and not desiring to kill them, solely because he can.

 

[SuperLuigi]

There are six billion or so humans, and only a few thousand lions.

The world could do with a lot less of the former, and more of the latter.

Yeah, that’s working out real great for the dying First World.

 

[10gr8kids]

While I oppose the wanton killing of an animal that in all likelihood, will not be eaten (it’s a cat, and we normally do not eat cats); I have to say that remarks like “we need fewer human beings and more lions” bother me infinitely more.
And things like

Legal trophy hunting of endangered/vulnerable animals is like legal abortion.

 

[GEddie]

How old is hunting for sport? Well, the pharoes did so we can pretty much say it is a prehistoric behavior.

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Virtuyally anyone who says they “hunt for food” is a liar.

Only hunters of the prehistoric type live by hunting. Moderns who attempt it would in all likelihood, go very hungry.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Thorolfr]

Who shot Cecil? First it was thought that a mystery Spaniard had the blood of one of Africa’s most famous lions on his hands. Then came a fresh twist. The Cecil slayer, Zimbabwean conservations said on Tuesday, was in fact a dentist from Minnesota.

American Walter Palmer was said to be “quite upset” as the hunter became hunted. Zimbabwean police warned that he faced poaching charges, while there was a furious backlash on social media, with Facebook users variously calling for him to be publicly shamed, have his teeth pulled out without anaesthetic or be hunted and killed.

Cecil the lion, known for his black mane, was about 13 years old and a famous attraction for wildlife tourists in Zimbabwe until, earlier this month, he was tempted outside a national park using bait and shot with a bow and arrow. He is believed to have taken 40 hours to die.

theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/28/walter-palmer-dentist-accused-killing-cecil-lion-upset-hunter-zimbabwe

I vote for having his teach pulled out without anesthetic :yup:

 

[GEddie]

I don’t romanticize predators, I’m merely disdainful of man’s attempts to impose his will over the entirety of the natural world.

One should not romanticize nature, or view predators as friends. But one should also not go the other extreme, and use the rarest, most precious aspects of nature for one’s own debased violent pleasures, like Walter Palmer DDS does.

We couldn’t “impose our will” on nature if we wanted to. (Which is why I am not going to board the global-warming bandwagon, either).

Assuming, as I do, that this man did not intend violation of local game laws, the fact that he hunted by bow and not by firearm raises him a notch in my estimation. Getting close enough to a powerful predator for an arrow kill requires substantial risk of neck; it’s not just a matter of exchanging a ton of money for an animal trophy.

ICXC NIKA

 

[ProVobis]

Yes, and this activity has driven many species into extinction. Entire forms of life snuffed out of existence for Man’s pleasure.

Artificial selection over natural selection is what some refer to it as.

 

[ProVobis]

Getting close enough to a powerful predator for an arrow kill requires substantial risk of neck; it’s not just a matter of exchanging a ton of money for an animal trophy.

Yes, but that still gives him an advantage over the animal. I would say the early Christians and others had more risk when fighting lions and tigers in the arenas.

I think your argument is what drives bull-fighting too.

 

[Exiled_Child]

Hunting for food but killing for pleasure is probably a sign of s personality disorder

There’s no probably about it. Some people just like to kill things. Being such a cowardly sneak and creep that you could “bravely” slaughter a lion with a high powered rifle is as senseless and idiotic as slaughtering a little girl and throwing her corpse in a dumpster. They differ only in degree. Both reveal a soul-dead personality-type, though.

 

[GEddie]

Yes, but that still gives him an advantage over the animal. I would say the early Christians and others had more risk when fighting lions and tigers in the arenas.

I think your argument is what drives bull-fighting too.

The human body, without some kind of weapon, is animal bait.

A firearm raises the advantage substantially for the human being, but a bow still allows for a great deal of danger.

I have nothing against bullfighting; it is practiced in the nearest foreign country. However, if it can be done without killing the bull, as practiced in Portugal, that would be preferable. An animal should not be killed just to put on a show. IMNAAHO

ICXC NIKA

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

Only hunters of the prehistoric type live by hunting. Moderns who attempt it would in all likelihood, go very hungry.

I’d say anyone who lives in a post-agricultural society is hunting for sport, not food.

If you were ever in a survival situation your best option would not be to hunt but to trap. Hunting is a very, very inefficent way to obtain food.

 

[Belshazzar]

Unsportsmanlike and cowardly. Where these guys turn up short in the manhood dept. they feel they can make up for by killing some of the most majestic wildlife on the planet.

Nature is cruel, but even predatory animals such as lions will usually give the beast they’re hunting a sporting chance to escape. Cecil the lion has more dignity than this dentist will ever have. Perhaps his death will change the conservation laws regarding poaching laws in S. Africa. I can hope, anyway.

 

[Theo520]

Palmer’s a smart guy. From the pictures of him with the rhino, he’s been around the block. Examine the quote closely:

To me, the “To My Knowledge” leaps off the screen. It indicates that he sought to obtain a level of deniability. Something like: “Here’s $55,000. I want to kill this lion, and I don’t care to know how it’s done. Make it happen.”

I’m sure they do get many disreputable characters, but that’s why you must use a licensed guide. Holding the guides accountable is the only way they will save their wildlife from outsiders who either don’t know or don’t care about preservation.

 

[zerocrossing]

We couldn’t “impose our will” on nature if we wanted to. (Which is why I am not going to board the global-warming bandwagon, either).

Assuming, as I do, that this man did not intend violation of local game laws, the fact that he hunted by bow and not by firearm raises him a notch in my estimation. Getting close enough to a powerful predator for an arrow kill requires substantial risk of neck; it’s not just a matter of exchanging a ton of money for an animal trophy.

ICXC NIKA

And because he hunted by bow, this animal suffered for 40 hours before being tracked and dispatched.

Barbaric. Absolutely disgusting and barbaric.