Cecil the lion's killer revealed as American dentist

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FollowChrist34 said:
I have met so many men in my life who put women on a sort of pedestal, above them, as if we are all Mary. .
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Interestingly enough, Mary would have been the one in the house that killed all the animals that the Holy Family ate.
 
Brendan said:
Interestingly enough, Mary would have been the one in the house that killed all the animals that the Holy Family ate.
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Great - then I am much better off in hell. You’re headed for heaven, right?
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Great - then I am much better off in hell. You’re headed for heaven, right?
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I have the best chance of doing so if I follow what the Church teaches on ethics and morally instead of any personal opinion.

Would you not say so as well?
 
^ And don’t forget that herd of pigs which Jesus allowed to be entered by demons.
The pigs ran off the cliff and were drowned…what a horrible death they must
have suffered. 😛
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
At least until Jesus was old enough to take over.
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Maybe. Lopping the heads off of chickens was generally considered to be ‘women’s work’. Christ did have a tendency to rise above sociological stereotypes, so you are probably correct, He probably killed his share of chickens and goats as well.

He certainly commanded the death of lots of sheep and goats, that is certain
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
At least until Jesus was old enough to take over.
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Don’t forget that poor herd of innocent pigs that Jesus allowed to be entered by demons.
They ran off the cliff and were drowned…what a horrible death they must have suffered.
😛
 
Brendan said:
I have the best chance of doing so if I follow what the Church teaches on ethics and morally instead of any personal opinion.

Would you not say so as well?
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I think you get to heaven by witnessing Christ. Living the commandments. I don’t sweat the small stuff. And, seriously, if we have a God that just wants the cold hearted mindless superficial obedience of a Pharisee (bloodchilling on occasion), then no, I want nothing to do with him or the Church.

To be honest with you, I am not all that worried about it. I don’t seriously think I am going to hell. 🙂 I believe Jesus will say “I know you.”
 
FollowChrist34 said:
I think you get to heaven by witnessing Christ. Living the commandments. I don’t sweat the small stuff. And, seriously, if we have a God that just wants the cold hearted mindless superficial obedience of a Pharisee (bloodchilling on occasion), then no, I want nothing to do with him or the Church.

To be honest with you, I am not all that worried about it. I don’t seriously think I am going to hell. 🙂 I believe Jesus will say “I know you.”
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We do have a God who gave us an infallible Church to guide us on matters of Faith and Morals. So I think we can agree that putting one’s own opinion on such matters above that of the Church is not a recipe for holiness. To do so is not a witness to Christ.

If the Church has declared that hunting is morally permissible, who are you or I to claim otherwise?
 
It is interesting that it’s only relatively recently that we in the industrialized West have become sensitive to the feelings of animals. Does that however mean that it’s wrong to feel compassion for non-humans?

It could just be we urban folk are too many steps removed from the actual dealing with the animals whose tissues end up on our plate at dinnertime.
 
Brendan said:
We do have a God who gave us an infallible Church to guide us on matters of Faith and Morals. So I think we can agree that putting one’s own opinion on such matters above that of the Church is not a recipe for holiness. To do so is not a witness to Christ.

If the Church has declared that hunting is morally permissible, who are you or I to claim otherwise?
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“We are all creatures of one family.” (St. Francis of Assisi)

“Those who will exclude any of God’s creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity will deal likewise with their fellow man.” (St. Francis of Assisi)

“Imagine that you are creating a fabric of human destiny with the object of making men happy in the end, giving them peace and rest at last, but that it was essential and inevitable to torture to death only one tiny creature, and to found that edifice on its unavenged tears. Would you consent to be the architect on those conditions? Tell me, and tell the truth.”
–Fyodor Dostoyevsky (novelist)

“Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don’t harass them, don’t deprive them of their happiness, don’t work against God’s intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you–alas, it is true of almost every one of us!”
–Fyodor Dostoyevsky (novelist)

“The question is not, can they reason? Nor, can they talk? But can they suffer?”
–Jeremy Bentham

“I care not much for a man’s religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.”
–Abraham Lincoln

“He who is cruel to animals becomes hard also in his dealings with men. We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals.”
–Immanuel Kant

“A righteous man has regard for the life of his beast.”
–Proverbs 12:10
 
FollowChrist34 said:
“We are all creatures of one family.” (St. Francis of Assisi)

“Those who will exclude any of God’s creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity will deal likewise with their fellow man.” (St. Francis of Assisi)
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A carrot is a creature. Can it be killed and eaten? Or would that violate the teachings of St. Francis? Should we not have compassion on our brother, the carrot, and just simply let it live? Or shall we pitilessly pluck it and boil it alive?
 
FollowChrist34 said:
“A righteous man has regard for the life of his beast.”
–Proverbs 12:10
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What about the lion who wants to eat his beast? How much regard does the righteous man have for him? I’m pretty sure the author of that proverb is referring to the righteous man’s domesticated animals, not other predators that want to eat them.
 
Brendan said:
A carrot is a creature. Can it be killed and eaten? Or would that violate the teachings of St. Francis? Should we not have compassion on our brother, the carrot, and just simply let it live? Or shall we pitilessly pluck it and boil it alive?
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Are you asking me or St. Francis?
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Are you asking me or St. Francis?
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You posted the thoughts of St. Francis, you tell me… Are we to believe that his words meant that creatures could not be killed and eaten?

Or did you have different intent, if so, what was that intent?
 
Brendan said:
You posted the thoughts of St. Francis, you tell me… Are we to believe that his words meant that creatures could not be killed and eaten?

Or did you have different intent, if so, what was that intent?
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This is a long and winding thread, no? I already stated my position on this. I actually accept hunting for food as natural and normal and Mary preparing meals for the family. I don’t go in for bloodlust, i.e. hunting trophy animals or beating the family dog to death with a shovel (culling). And I don’t try and argue that the Church does either. Oh, and I eat carrots too, love 'em.
 
Brendan said:
Where you aware the Zimbabwe requires (by law) that the meat of all hunted animals be given to a governmental food bank.

That is what would have happen to Cecil.

So yes, the animal was eaten and that was known before the hunt. In fact, the knowledge would have been that the meat from this animal would be given to the poor.

So how does that factor into the CCC?
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It didn’t as the skin and head of the lion were removed. In order to give the meat ‘the poor’ he would have had to admit that he had deliberately stalked a wounded animal with a huge tag around his neck for 40 hours. I am really looking forward to him surfacing to face the music
 
FollowChrist34 said:
This is a long and winding thread, no? I already stated my position on this. I actually accept hunting for food as natural and normal and Mary preparing meals for the family. I don’t go in for bloodlust, i.e. hunting trophy animals or beating the family dog to death with a shovel (culling). And I don’t try and argue that the Church does either. Oh, and I eat carrots too, love 'em.
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Who has admitted to ‘bloodlust’, or are you making claims without actually knowing a person’s intent.

If so, is that being a witness to Christ? To make accusations about people without proof?
 
Brendan said:
Who has admitted to ‘bloodlust’, or are you making claims without actually knowing a person’s intent.

If so, is that being a witness to Christ? To make accusations about people without proof?
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What in your view is the difference between trophy hunting and beating your dog to death with a shovel? Is one acceptable to the Church and the other not? Why?
 
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