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Tom317
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Nice one.
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rlg94086
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Yes, I know…that’s why I used the sarcasm smiley.
But, when Hillary is speaking to Catholics…in Chicago…she should be explaining why her views on Abortion, Gay Marriage and Stem Cell Research are all at odds with the Church.
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Tom317
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Yeah, I know you were being sarcastic.
Or, more likely, she will explain why her views on those topics are somehow in complete harmony with the the faith.
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GregoryPalamas
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How does one petition for a Catholic monarchy?
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estesbob
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More than likely she will claim that on the whole she is more in line with Catholic teachings than Republicans are. Two years ago the Democrats Congressmen did a survey that showed they voted “Catholic” on far more issues than their republcian Coutererparts did. In their survey being opposed to a law setting mercury standards for thermometers was given the same against catholic teaching weight as supporting partial Birth Abortion.
As Cardinal Ratzinger clearly explained no issue or combination of issues trump abortion and euthanaia.
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Tom317
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I remember that joke of a survey, it did not fool anyone.
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rlg94086
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You don’t petition for a monarchy. A sword has to pop up from the Lady of the Lake…everyone knows that.
Monty Python:
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system
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Yeah, it can get pretty nasty. And what is said here is at least moderated. I remember one signature directing you to a blog where some really vile stuff was being said by “Catholics.”
On the other hand, it is possible to learn a thing or two here ( if you can avoid the ones trying to hit you over the head)
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anthony022071
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We need not worry about Cardinal George’s integrity or where he stands on issues. He is definitely not a liberal or a secularist.He is very hard-working,outspoken on abortion,and places a high priority on evangelization.
You can read about him at catholicnewworld.com
You can read about him at catholicnewworld.com
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Tom317
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Cardinal George is a wonderful man and leader. I just wonder why he would let Hillary speak?
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estesbob
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I agree -I think he got blindsided by this-I suspect that he has taken steps to make sure this does not happen again.
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Tom317
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I hope so. Cardinal George is seen as one of our best leaders, let’s hope he sticks to orthodoxy.
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stbruno
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I am disappointed about what Mercy Home has decided to open their doors to. I think I will drop them a line and remind them that decision to invite Hillary Clinton to their organization may be a serious detriment to their fund raising skills this year. I for one who have been a regular donor may switch my donations to Catholic charities instead or another organization. 
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frommi
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I should have known better than to try to make a logical point in a thread like this…
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What exactly has the Cardinal done that is wrong here? There is no formal canonical ‘ban’ on anyone speaking on Catholic property that is universal and binding.
Abp. Burke chose one way to stand up to someone who disagrees with the church…Cardinal George has chosen another.
Hmmm…one man is Cardinal of a huge archdiocese…the other is archbishop in a place where he probably will always be…
I wonder which approach the holy see prefers?
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What exactly has the Cardinal done that is wrong here? There is no formal canonical ‘ban’ on anyone speaking on Catholic property that is universal and binding.
Abp. Burke chose one way to stand up to someone who disagrees with the church…Cardinal George has chosen another.
Hmmm…one man is Cardinal of a huge archdiocese…the other is archbishop in a place where he probably will always be…
I wonder which approach the holy see prefers?
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rlg94086
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As soon as you make one, we’ll alert the media.
I saw no evidence of a straw man argument in this thread…with the exception of your post, where you claimed that someone had used a straw man argument…that was a straw man argument.
I would hope the Holy See would look at the individual decision and not judge an action on the individual’s station.
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stbruno
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Since Hillary seems not to do anything out of the goodness of her heart…look what the Illinois Democratic party got out of this one…
illinoisdemnet.com/node/3579
Senator Hillary Clinton is coming to Chicago to be the Keynote Speaker for a luncheon for Mercy Home for Boys and Girls.
Beth Kaveny is on the Mercy Home Leaders Council, the organizer of the luncheon, and has reserved two tables. Tickets are $150 each. If you are interested in attending email Beth. Additionally, contact Beth immediately if you/your firm would like to purchase your own table. Meet-and-greet and photo opportunities with Senator Clinton are available for sponsors at the $10,000 and $25,000 levels, as is press coverage.
illinoisdemnet.com/node/3579
Senator Hillary Clinton is coming to Chicago to be the Keynote Speaker for a luncheon for Mercy Home for Boys and Girls.
Beth Kaveny is on the Mercy Home Leaders Council, the organizer of the luncheon, and has reserved two tables. Tickets are $150 each. If you are interested in attending email Beth. Additionally, contact Beth immediately if you/your firm would like to purchase your own table. Meet-and-greet and photo opportunities with Senator Clinton are available for sponsors at the $10,000 and $25,000 levels, as is press coverage.
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Tom317
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The better question is: which is the right approach?
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Tom317
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BTW, Cardinal George came from the Portland, Oregon diocese, where he was Bishop. Portland has roughly 193,000, Catholics, and St. Louis has roughly 555,000 Catholics, which means the St. Louis diocese is 2 3/4 times larger than the Portland diocese and Cardinal George was Bishop there for less than a year before he was transferred to Chicago. By your reckoning, Archbishop Burke should have been named to Chicago before Bishop George, since you seem to think it is all about size.
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frommi
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I’m simply pointing out that Chicago is much more prominent that St. Louis insofar as giving it’s ordinary a bit of a ‘bully pulpit’.BTW, Cardinal George came from the Portland, Oregon diocese, where he was Bishop. Portland has roughly 193,000, Catholics, and St. Louis has roughly 555,000 Catholics, which means the St. Louis diocese is 2 3/4 times larger than the Portland diocese and Cardinal George was Bishop there for less than a year before he was transferred to Chicago. By your reckoning, Archbishop Burke should have been named to Chicago before Bishop George, since you seem to think it is all about size.
Personally, I think Abp Burke was rather restrained in how he dealt with his concerns, at least in comparison to the way he normally has dealt with such matters.
There is really nothing wrong with the Cardinal’s approach to this. It’s within his competent and ordinary authority to go about this in such a way.
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Tom317
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Except it is an indirect approval of Hillary’s politics.
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