Chicago Catholics Outraged by Hillary Speech

[Tom317]

The official policy of the USCCB is for every diocese to submit to a child protection audit and people around here laud Fabian Bruskewitz for ignoring that directive.

Why is this any different?

They should not be.

 

[estesbob]

I missed when Mrs. Clinton became an ‘outspoken supporter of abortion’…which speech was that where she was declaring that doctors should start tearing into every uterus they could find?

The problem here is that we act like one political act immediately makes any other good a person tries to do completely invalid.

Is Mrs. Clinton’s stand on this issue outside of the stand of the church? Yes it is.

However she is going to speak at Mercy Home…a place which is absolutely pro-life…it gives life to the boys and girls who have nowhere else to go.

What I find vile is that everyone wants to ban any politican who claims to be pro-choice…when in reality most pro-life politicians seem to be pro-life only from conception until birth…at least based on the policies they are proponents of.

I fail to see how opposing Abortion is problematic.I also cant see how not supporting one who has such a defect of character they would support killing our children is problematic either. Even in an imperfect world it should not take much for one to realize killing children is wrong.

 

[estesbob]

The official policy of the USCCB is for every diocese to submit to a child protection audit and people around here laud Fabian Bruskewitz for ignoring that directive.

Why is this any different?

The USCCB has no authority over a bishop-the Bishop reports only to Rome.

 

[Squeakum]

I am a newly baptised Catholic and although I used to always vote Democrate, now I am not sure what or who to vote for, are there Any canidates that are against abortion?

 

[chicago]

You are just guessing.

As is anybody who supposes that his “approval” was anything of greater contentment or endorsement. The PLAL article, of course, makes things more clear. Even the priest in charge of Mercy Home was not responsible for booking her and found her appearance troubling. The cardinal was reportedly “disgruntled”. Clearly, it’s one of those things where the event was held was a secular group "associated with but not directly governed by Mercy Home:, which means that they are out of the purview of the cardinal and not entirely controlable by the Home’s director. They were doing their own thing, plainly, and offerring the bucks to the home as they consider it a good cause to support, plain and simple.

 

[chicago]

The critical quote:

The official policy of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops prohibits Catholic institutions from giving honors, awards or platforms to public figures who support abortion. The Church has taught consistently for twenty centuries that abortion is gravely evil.

Alas, it does not seem that it was the Catholic institution which was offering the platform, but the affiliated group. Such is often the case with these sorts of things when the platform or award is given.

 

[chicago]

I am a newly baptised Catholic and although I used to always vote Democrate, now I am not sure what or who to vote for, are there Any canidates that are against abortion?

At the national level (presidential/senatorial), generally not. The money and power structures tend to dictate that you need to make a wrong turn in order to get the bucks you need to get elected to those offices. At the House Congressional, state, and local levels, however, there can often be found more than a few good Democrats who are of varying degrees of being pro-life. Indeed, in many a case there are not enough Republican pro-life votes to get important legislation passed (or bad legislation blocked) in these bodies and it tends to require the support of those Dems in order to get anything good done (or bad stopped).

 

[Tom317]

As is anybody who supposes that his “approval” was anything of greater contentment or endorsement. The PLAL article, of course, makes things more clear. Even the priest in charge of Mercy Home was not responsible for booking her and found her appearance troubling. The cardinal was reportedly “disgruntled”. Clearly, it’s one of those things where the event was held was a secular group "associated with but not directly governed by Mercy Home:, which means that they are out of the purview of the cardinal and not entirely controlable by the Home’s director. They were doing their own thing, plainly, and offerring the bucks to the home as they consider it a good cause to support, plain and simple.

Which means your guess was worth about as much as anyone else.

 

[Tom317]

Alas, it does not seem that it was the Catholic institution which was offering the platform, but the affiliated group. Such is often the case with these sorts of things when the platform or award is given.

You seem to have a problem with agreeing that the Cardinal should speak out regarding these issues. Is that how you feel?

 

[Tom317]

At the national level (presidential/senatorial), generally not. The money and power structures tend to dictate that you need to make a wrong turn in order to get the bucks you need to get elected to those offices. At the House Congressional, state, and local levels, however, there can often be found more than a few good Democrats who are of varying degrees of being pro-life. Indeed, in many a case there are not enough Republican pro-life votes to get important legislation passed (or bad legislation blocked) in these bodies and it tends to require the support of those Dems in order to get anything good done (or bad stopped).

I hope you meant to say that at the national level, there is generally no democratic candidates who are pro-life.

 

[Tom317]

Here, imo, is a related article, one that should be already in force in every diocese and should have been applied to the Hillary event:

Pope warns Catholic politicians who back abortion

*ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE (Reuters) - Pope Benedict on Wednesday warned Catholic politicians they risked excommunication from the Church and should not receive communion if they support abortion. It was the first time that the Pope, speaking to reporters aboard the plane taking him on a trip to Brazil, dealt in depth with a controversial topic that has come up in many countries, including the United States, Mexico, and Italy.

The Pope was asked whether he supported Mexican Church leaders threatening to excommunicate leftist parliamentarians who last month voted to legalize abortion in Mexico City.

Yes, this excommunication was not an arbitrary one but is allowed by Canon (church) law which says that the killing of an innocent child is incompatible with receiving communion, which is receiving the body of Christ," he said.*

reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL0956318820070509?feedType=RSS&rpc=22

 

[rlg94086]

:ehh:

Um…how? Clinton isn’t Catholic and the Cardinal isn’t a politician.

The Holy Father’s comment was not about excommunicating a Cardinal for allowing a politician to use a Catholic venue.

Here, imo, is a related article, one that should be already in force in every diocese and should have been applied to the Hillary event:

Pope warns Catholic politicians who back abortion

ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE (Reuters) - Pope Benedict on Wednesday warned Catholic politicians they risked excommunication from the Church and should not receive communion if they support abortion. It was the first time that the Pope, speaking to reporters aboard the plane taking him on a trip to Brazil, dealt in depth with a controversial topic that has come up in many countries, including the United States, Mexico, and Italy.

The Pope was asked whether he supported Mexican Church leaders threatening to excommunicate leftist parliamentarians who last month voted to legalize abortion in Mexico City.

Yes, this excommunication was not an arbitrary one but is allowed by Canon (church) law which says that the killing of an innocent child is incompatible with receiving communion, which is receiving the body of Christ," he said.

reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL0956318820070509?feedType=RSS&rpc=22

 

[Tom317]

:ehh:

Um…how? Clinton isn’t Catholic and the Cardinal isn’t a politician.

The Holy Father’s comment was not about excommunicating a Cardinal for allowing a politician to use a Catholic venue.

It is not about excommunication, it is about upholding the truth that abortion is evil and it is about the Catholic laity be protected.

 

[rlg94086]

It is not about excommunication, it is about upholding the truth that abortion is evil and it is about the Catholic laity be protected.

I think you should start a separate thread with that article, because it appears totally unrelated to this one. To call for the excommunication of pro-abortion Catholic politicians is a totally separate issue.

BTW…it would really shake things up!

 

[Tom317]

I think you should start a separate thread with that article, because it appears totally unrelated to this one. To call for the excommunication of pro-abortion Catholic politicians is a totally separate issue.

BTW…it would really shake things up!

I will.

The reason I posted it here was to show people how important this issue is, even with regards to Hillary. If the Pope says Catholic politicians should not receive communion and possibly shoudl be excommunicated for supporting abortion, then with that in mind should someone like Hillary ever be allowed to have any link to a Catholic organization?

 

[frommi]

Hillary isn’t Catholic…how in the world could she be excommunicated?

I still see a lot of different issues being mixed up in this thread…

 

[Tom317]

Hillary isn’t Catholic…how in the world could she be excommunicated?

I still see a lot of different issues being mixed up in this thread…

She cannot be excommunicated, but the article shows how important this issue is and our leaders need to step to the plate.

 

[chicago]

Which means your guess was worth about as much as anyone else.

Not really. Remember, I’m a Chicagoan. And I have a fairly decent perspective on how he likes to deal with these sorts of things as I’ve been watching him closely for the past 10 years. So I suspect that I have a little more insight than the average prognosticator. It’ may be a guess, but it’s an educated guess and not merely based upon some quote of one who’s trying to justify hiring Hilary to speak,

 

[chicago]

I hope you meant to say that at the national level, there is generally no democratic candidates who are pro-life.

Yes. Isn’t that what I said? But, also, that at the Congressional House of Representatives, state, and local levels there are plenty who are pro-life.

 

[Tom317]

Not really. Remember, I’m a Chicagoan. And I have a fairly decent perspective on how he likes to deal with these sorts of things as I’ve been watching him closely for the past 10 years. So I suspect that I have a little more insight than the average prognosticator. It’ may be a guess, but it’s an educated guess and not merely based upon some quote of one who’s trying to justify hiring Hilary to speak,

I too am part of the good Cardinal’s diocese and share the same ten-year look at the Cardinal and his work. No person, not matter how holy (and he is a very holy man imo) is beyond questioning.