Chicago Police Arrest Six Iraq War Protesters for Squirting Fake Blood on Easter Churchgoers

  • Thread starter Thread starter EsclavoDeCristo
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
rlg94086 said:
I, for one, would like to hear you answer Bob’s question. It seems valid to me. You implied that if the Church were in favor of the war, that the tactics these protestors use would have been okay. That is why Bob asks “why would it matter?” It isn’t a rhetorical question…it is a valid question, in need of your answer.
Click to expand...
Oh, okay, thanks for explaining that to me. I just didn’t get what he was insinuating at all.

No, for God’s sake no, it wouldn’t be okay. I support the War in Iraq, although I think we should have never gotten involved. I was just asking the simple question of why the Catholic Church would be picked out because as far as I know, most clergy I’ve heard speak on the war usually reject it and want us to pull out. Go to St. Peter’s in the loop for the weekday Mass and listen to Fr. H (if you’ve ever been, you know who I am talking about) spend 5 minutes ranting about the war with no regard to the day’s scripture.

I am typing this about 4 minutes away from Holy Name, so I was just confused as I know the War is not popular with Churchmen around here. So why protest it by assaulting a Mass?! :confused:
 
mschrank said:
Oh, okay, thanks for explaining that to me. I just didn’t get what he was insinuating at all.

No, for God’s sake no, it wouldn’t be okay. I support the War in Iraq, although I think we should have never gotten involved. I was just asking the simple question of why the Catholic Church would be picked out because as far as I know, most clergy I’ve heard speak on the war usually reject it and want us to pull out. Go to St. Peter’s in the loop for the weekday Mass and listen to Fr. H (if you’ve ever been, you know who I am talking about) spend 5 minutes ranting about the war with no regard to the day’s scripture.

I am typing this about 4 minutes away from Holy Name, so I was just confused as I know the War is not popular with Churchmen around here. So why protest it by assaulting a Mass?! :confused:
Click to expand...
Understood. So, your point is that the protestors are morons…I think most people - pro-war, anti-war and on-the-fence - would agree with you on that. 👍
 
frommi said:
They’re 19 and 20 years old…was it in bad taste and poorly timed and selfish…yes.

Can we honestly banish them to hell for it…errr…probably not…

Gain a little perspective
Click to expand...
They are old enough to know better. Are you suggesting they are mere children and should be excused for “bad taste, poor timing, and selfishness”? Hardly. :rolleyes:
rlg94086 said:
I think you are the one who needs to gain some perspective. lizanne just mentioned that they will need to answer for their actions on judgment day. No one is banishing them to hell.
Click to expand...
Thank you. You got my point perfectly.

~Liza
 
Understood. So, your point is that the protestors are morons…I think most people - pro-war, anti-war and on-the-fence - would agree with you on that.
Click to expand...
I would say the protesters are just that but then I’d get in trouble for not being charitable… :rolleyes:
 
mschrank said:
I would say the protesters are just that but then I’d get in trouble for not being charitable… :rolleyes:
Click to expand...
Oopsies. :o 😛 😃

EDIT ADD: Although, I could argue that the use of the word “moron” is charitable in this case…I’m sure we could think up much more offensive terms for them.
 
Personally, don’t protestors usually protest who is responsible for an action? Like protest the maker of gas guzzling cars at the automaker plants or the dealerships…or protest the cost of oil at the oil companies…or protest pollution at the places known for pollution as an example…

Wouldn’t the protestors actions be more effective by protesting in front of a government bldg where the decision to make war was decided or.by the political offices of those who voted for the war?Choosing a church, any church does not speak well of the choice of the protestors, number one, but also scaring the little children in the bldg into thinking that people were actually bleeding, makes little sense to me either.:confused:
 
stbruno said:
Personally, don’t protestors usually protest who is responsible for an action? Like protest the maker of gas guzzling cars at the automaker plants or the dealerships…or protest the cost of oil at the oil companies…or protest pollution at the places known for pollution as an example…

Wouldn’t the protestors actions be more effective by protesting in front of a government bldg where the decision to make war was decided or.by the political offices of those who voted for the war?Choosing a church, any church does not speak well of the choice of the protestors, number one, but also scaring the little children in the bldg into thinking that people were actually bleeding, makes little sense to me either.:confused:
Click to expand...
You’re overlooking the fact that liberal anti-war protestors are usually 86% effectively brain-dead.
 
mschrank said:
You are entering… the Twilight Zone! Ne ner ne ner ne ner ne ner! 😛

Why… Why! Why! (is this the twilight zone or an Ingmar Bergman flick?)
Click to expand...
I guess this means you are not going to answer the question.
 
Look, I know younguns are silly. I know they were disruptive. I know they should get busy and do some good helping the Catholics of Iraq who are getting beaten down because they are Catholic. But where are the adults in this situation? Who are trying to guide these goofs toward the Kingdom of God. I grew up in the 1960s. This was small potatoes compared with some of the things done then. Moreover, think of the desecration of Churches in places like 16th-19th cnetury Europe. Or in most Muslim dominated countrieso Or what happened in Rwanda in 1994. These adults need to be helped to grow up. Their jail time and I pray that they get some is just the beginnng of their maturation. Where are adults? Have we run out of them?

CDL
 
GregoryPalamas said:
Look, I know younguns are silly. I know they were disruptive. I know they should get busy and do some good helping the Catholics of Iraq who are getting beaten down because they are Catholic. But where are the adults in this situation?
Click to expand...
They are 19 and 20 years old for cryin’ out sideways!!! These are not “younguns”!!! :rolleyes: :mad:

I’m sorry - they are old enough to hold a gun in their hands and defend this country. They need to stop being treated as children and viewed as children, and expected to act as the adults THAT THEY ARE!

You can’t tell me that they are that naive and immature that they don’t realize that going into a place of worship, covering yourself with “blood”, and yelling out during the service is in any way acceptable. That’s the biggest piece if cr*p I’ve ever heard!!

If they were 12 or 13 I’d buy the mischief line - but these are adults. And they need to be held accountable for their actions - as adults.

~Liza
 
lizaanne said:
They are 19 and 20 years old for cryin’ out sideways!!! These are not “younguns”!!! :rolleyes: :mad:

I’m sorry - they are old enough to hold a gun in their hands and defend this country. They need to stop being treated as children and viewed as children, and expected to act as the adults THAT THEY ARE!

You can’t tell me that they are that naive and immature that they don’t realize that going into a place of worship, covering yourself with “blood”, and yelling out during the service is in any way acceptable. That’s the biggest piece if cr*p I’ve ever heard!!

If they were 12 or 13 I’d buy the mischief line - but these are adults. And they need to be held accountable for their actions - as adults.

~Liza
Click to expand...
So, what is your solution? I agree that they need punished. But then what? Where are the adults? We’ve been raising an increasing number of enfant terrible for several decades. Some of the juvenile delinquents in our society are in their 30s. Do we expect the police and the priests to be the only adults in our society?

CDL
 
I think some of the posters on this thread have gotten a point that needs repeating: there is no reason for anti-war protesters (though I doubt that is an entirely accurate description of their true motivations) to be assaulting parishoners during Mass. Maybe they are too stupid to know what they’re doing. It’s possible. If that’s the case, the state needs to get to the puppeteers who are pulling their strings. In any case, I think someone needs to go to jail for a long time.
And by the way, I don’t think what happened in the Dark Ages is at all relevant.
 
ppeter said:
I think some of the posters on this thread have gotten a point that needs repeating: there is no reason for anti-war protesters (though I doubt that is an entirely accurate description of their true motivations) to be assaulting parishoners during Mass. Maybe they are too stupid to know what they’re doing. It’s possible. If that’s the case, the state needs to get to the puppeteers who are pulling their strings. In any case, I think someone needs to go to jail for a long time.
And by the way, I don’t think what happened in the Dark Ages is at all relevant.
Click to expand...
Is 1994 in the Dark Ages? Is this action any worse than what the priests are doing by their abuses of the liturgy in Belleville Diocese and in their action against their bishop? forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=225874

Shouldn’t these adult priests be thrown in jail as well?

CDL

BTW The Dark Ages were between the sixth and tenth centuries. You need a history lesson.
 
And I thought “Dark Ages” was just a euphemism for a time when people are so coarsenend that they don’t know the difference between liturgical abuses and violent criminal behavior!
(For the record: I oppose liturgical abuses)
To me it seems odd for people who support the Iraqi Christians to minimize the anti-Catholic extremism of the US allies of the terrorists killing and intimidating Iraqi Christians.
 
GregoryPalamas said:
Look, I know younguns are silly. I know they were disruptive. I know they should get busy and do some good helping the Catholics of Iraq who are getting beaten down because they are Catholic. But where are the adults in this situation? Who are trying to guide these goofs toward the Kingdom of God. I grew up in the 1960s. This was small potatoes compared with some of the things done then. Moreover, think of the desecration of Churches in places like 16th-19th cnetury Europe. Or in most Muslim dominated countrieso Or what happened in Rwanda in 1994. These adults need to be helped to grow up. Their jail time and I pray that they get some is just the beginnng of their maturation. Where are adults? Have we run out of them?

CDL
Click to expand...
Acts like this are ceasing to be isolated events. They are occurring on an increasing basis, and I find it pretty disturbing. Small potatoes now, maybe. But it seems like many people are trying to penetrate the Church and see how far they can go with this disturbed behavior.
 
Jennifer123 said:
Acts like this are ceasing to be isolated events. They are occurring on an increasing basis, and I find it pretty disturbing. Small potatoes now, maybe. But it seems like many people are trying to penetrate the Church and see how far they can go with this disturbed behavior.
Click to expand...
Where are the adults? That’s my question. Where are the adults?

CDL
 
ppeter said:
And I thought “Dark Ages” was just a euphemism for a time when people are so coarsenend that they don’t know the difference between liturgical abuses and violent criminal behavior!
(For the record: I oppose liturgical abuses)
To me it seems odd for people who support the Iraqi Christians to minimize the anti-Catholic extremism of the US allies of the terrorists killing and intimidating Iraqi Christians.
Click to expand...
Ok, I give. What American allies are anti-Catholic. As far as I can see only the Catholics should be getting American help in Iraq because none of the rest can be construed as our allies at all.

CDL
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top