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Apologia100
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I appreciate you charity and pointed explanation of your perspective. If you want to return to the foundation that Christ laid, come home to Rome. The Church, the Pillar and Foundation of Truth.
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bengal_fan
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answer the door naked. :bigyikes: . it always works for me (of course, you might be attractive, unlike meCan anyone give me some quick tips how to politely get them off of my porch?
, and it might backfire on you).
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Lisa4Catholics
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I also grew up in the Church of Christ.As an I found the Church Jesus founded.Peter was given the keys.The Church of Christ believe they are the only ones going to Heaven.My grandmother and my dad died scared to death that my children and myself were going to hell.Sad as it is I believe that Our Lord explained things to them when they stepped into eternity.The historians including the Christian persecuters trace The Roman Catholic to Jesus and the apostles.The Early Church Fathers were Catholic.If you have a Bible,the Catholics put it into canon(although during the protestant reformation 7 books were removed).Another interesting fact Jesus quoted from the books that were removed.The Church of Christ started in the 1800’s.God Bless You,pray for the Truth and HE will find you
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TacyLou
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Please, don’t misunderstand, I wouldn’t exactly call them “bad experiences.” My friend has the most incredible faith. I have never met anyone who has such a strong faith in God, and I respect that. She is the reason that I am a “revert”. Her arguments about the Catholic religion got me to study so that I could better defend my beliefs.
The Church of Christ folks that I have met seem to think that I’m not Christian at all because I am Catholic.
The reason for my post was not to denegrade CoC followers, at all. I am a little envious of their biblical knowledge. I was looking for help in conversing with them. Not that I’m out to convert anyone, I’m certainly not qualified to do apologetics.
Now, that’s funny!!!answer the door naked. :bigyikes: . it always works for me (of course, you might be attractive, unlike me
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Apologia100
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That is standard operating procedure in my house, as it should be.answer the door naked. :bigyikes: . it always works for me (of course, you might be attractive, unlike me
Why do you think the postman always delivers the mail to us personally instead of putting it in the box?
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tTt
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answer the door naked. :bigyikes: . it always works for me (of course, you might be attractive, unlike me
thank you
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tTt
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forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=216832#post216832
this thread has some info
this thread has some info
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StJeanneDArc
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Wow, I didn’t know they had started a formal campaign. My neighbors who live behind me are in CoC. They are lovely people and excellent neighbors. I do have to giggle inside a little bit, though. My son is away at a minor seminary and my neighbor asked how I was doing. I told her that I missed him a lot but I always tried to recall the Blessed Mother walking along with Jesus at calvary and watching him get crucified. My point was that Mary endured a lot more than I’m having to. Well my neighbor’s first response was “When I get to heaven and meet Mary I’m going to ask her how she could have possibly lost Jesus for 3 days in Jerusalem.” I had to work hard not to laugh out loud. Imagine going to heaven and your first impulse is to lecture the Blessed Virgin.
It will be interesting to see if my neighbors target us at all.
It will be interesting to see if my neighbors target us at all.
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Despite Amontoya’s seemingly ecumenical post. The fact remains that the “CofCs” do consider themselves to be the world’s only Christians in the only church to exist.
They think that calling themselves “THE churches of Christ” And “Christians” automatically MAKES them the church of Christ going back to the year 33 A.D., and the world’s only Christians.
If others call themselves Catholics, or Methodists according to “church of Christ” estimation, that is all that they are and not Christians. According to “cofC” theory history and the facts count for nothing, the only thing that matters is what one calls him/her self.
An analogy I like to make with the “cofCers” is if I pick up a biography of G.W. Bush and start calling myself G.W. Bush will I be president? Will others recognise me a President, or a fit occupant for a nutty bin somewhere?
And Amontoya if you are still around I can assure you that “disfellowshiping” and shunning are standard practices in the denomination that calls itself the so called “church of Christ”. I never heard of one “cofC” that does not practice this, and I have definately been around the “cofC” world.
They think that calling themselves “THE churches of Christ” And “Christians” automatically MAKES them the church of Christ going back to the year 33 A.D., and the world’s only Christians.
If others call themselves Catholics, or Methodists according to “church of Christ” estimation, that is all that they are and not Christians. According to “cofC” theory history and the facts count for nothing, the only thing that matters is what one calls him/her self.
An analogy I like to make with the “cofCers” is if I pick up a biography of G.W. Bush and start calling myself G.W. Bush will I be president? Will others recognise me a President, or a fit occupant for a nutty bin somewhere?
And Amontoya if you are still around I can assure you that “disfellowshiping” and shunning are standard practices in the denomination that calls itself the so called “church of Christ”. I never heard of one “cofC” that does not practice this, and I have definately been around the “cofC” world.
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TacyLou
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I think it is a local thing in the town I live in. There are 20 churches getting together.
StJeanneDArc said:
Wonder how that’s going to work out for her in the end. :whacky:
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amontoya
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First, I am not speaking on behalf of any church. I cannot speak for anyone, but myself.
I thank God that He has blessed me with a wonderful church home where everybody is loved, and nobody is “shunned.” I do not claim that it is THE Church of Christ, but it is A church of Christ.
I have been taught and firmly believe that, if someone acts like a Christian, talks like a Christian, and calls themself Christian, then I must love them as a Christian brother or sister. This includes people from other churches (Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, etc).
I believe that Billy Graham is a Christian, and a great man. I cannot imagine anyone saying he isn’t.
God bless!
I thank God that He has blessed me with a wonderful church home where everybody is loved, and nobody is “shunned.” I do not claim that it is THE Church of Christ, but it is A church of Christ.
I have been taught and firmly believe that, if someone acts like a Christian, talks like a Christian, and calls themself Christian, then I must love them as a Christian brother or sister. This includes people from other churches (Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, etc).
I believe that Billy Graham is a Christian, and a great man. I cannot imagine anyone saying he isn’t.
God bless!
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Anne
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Amontoya,We just recieved the bi-monthly house to house flyer this
group mails every other month.As always ,to be labeled a Christian you need to be properly baptized. IMMERSION ONLY!Also,No infant baptism.Baptism for adults only.This implies to me I would not be considered a Christian under any circumstances.I was baptized as an infant.You may well indeed be blessed in your group but the way I understand your teachings,your minister has the liberty to teach you as he sees fit.One example of this;The 1st service I attended I was aware the Our Father was not recited.I did question one of the 6 members.I was told this was a repetitious prayer and given the bible verse they use to refute this.At the insistance of this friend I did agree to attend again.Lo a behold we recited THS LORDS PRAYER.I guess it was for my benefit to make me FEEL welcomed.I thought about this and have the conclusion that this group will do what ever it takes to gain attendance.God Bless
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RBushlow
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That is our prayer too.
May the peace of Christ, the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you.
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Exporter
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Of all the United Church of Christ traditions, the Christian Churches were most uniquely American in origin and character. In Virginia, Vermont and Kentucky, the Second Great Awakening in the early 1800s motivated some of the members of different churches to return to the simplicity of early Christianity.
This was the origin of the first churches founded in the United States—in other words, churches that were not imported from Europe to North America. These new churches were determined to overcome the confessional and ethnic barriers that divided the Protestant community into competing traditions: Congregationalist, Presbyterian, Reformed, Lutheran, Methodist, Anglican. A Presbyterian minister started what he called The Church of Christ in rural Illinois. They began with twenty four members in 1846. After two years they built a wooden church.
With a minimum of organization, other churches of like mind were established and the movement became known as the “Christian Connection.” The “Connection” had been organized in 1852 at the first United General Conference of Christians, during which five principles were unanimously affirmed:
http://www.ucc.org/gifs/sq_gryvs.gif Christ, the only head of the Church.
http://www.ucc.org/gifs/sq_gryvs.gif The Bible, sufficient rule of faith and practice.
http://www.ucc.org/gifs/sq_gryvs.gif Christian character, the only measurement for membership.
http://www.ucc.org/gifs/sq_gryvs.gif The right of private judgment, interpretation of scripture, and liberty of conscience.
http://www.ucc.org/gifs/sq_gryvs.gif The name “Christian,” worthy for Christ’s followers.
Today they do not have an organized Church. Each Church is autonomous, the have no Bishop as Catholics do. I was told back in June that each c of c church elects what they call elders, and sometimes an individual church will have a Bishop ( for that Church only!) In 90% of my dealings with them, I found they freely quoted famous professional anti-Catholics like Jimmy Swaggart, Tony Alamo and Loraine Boettner.Karl Keating speaks of those men in his book, “Catholocism and Fundamentalism”. If you are not a well versed apologist just close the door. They will start asking you to give verses from the Bible to support your religion. I close the door. Gently.
Years ago I was in a Monsenior’s Office when an old lady called him asking how to get those Protestants out of her house. He told her to call the police in one minute if they weren’t gone. Then call him back. She didn’t call back. This was in Corona, CA.
This was the origin of the first churches founded in the United States—in other words, churches that were not imported from Europe to North America. These new churches were determined to overcome the confessional and ethnic barriers that divided the Protestant community into competing traditions: Congregationalist, Presbyterian, Reformed, Lutheran, Methodist, Anglican. A Presbyterian minister started what he called The Church of Christ in rural Illinois. They began with twenty four members in 1846. After two years they built a wooden church.
With a minimum of organization, other churches of like mind were established and the movement became known as the “Christian Connection.” The “Connection” had been organized in 1852 at the first United General Conference of Christians, during which five principles were unanimously affirmed:
http://www.ucc.org/gifs/sq_gryvs.gif Christ, the only head of the Church.
http://www.ucc.org/gifs/sq_gryvs.gif The Bible, sufficient rule of faith and practice.
http://www.ucc.org/gifs/sq_gryvs.gif Christian character, the only measurement for membership.
http://www.ucc.org/gifs/sq_gryvs.gif The right of private judgment, interpretation of scripture, and liberty of conscience.
http://www.ucc.org/gifs/sq_gryvs.gif The name “Christian,” worthy for Christ’s followers.
Today they do not have an organized Church. Each Church is autonomous, the have no Bishop as Catholics do. I was told back in June that each c of c church elects what they call elders, and sometimes an individual church will have a Bishop ( for that Church only!) In 90% of my dealings with them, I found they freely quoted famous professional anti-Catholics like Jimmy Swaggart, Tony Alamo and Loraine Boettner.Karl Keating speaks of those men in his book, “Catholocism and Fundamentalism”. If you are not a well versed apologist just close the door. They will start asking you to give verses from the Bible to support your religion. I close the door. Gently.
Years ago I was in a Monsenior’s Office when an old lady called him asking how to get those Protestants out of her house. He told her to call the police in one minute if they weren’t gone. Then call him back. She didn’t call back. This was in Corona, CA.
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carol_marie
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Thanks for answering my questions. It sounds like you go to a very nice church.
God Bless you!
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Hlebear
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Amontoya,We just recieved the bi-monthly house to house flyer this
group mails every other month.As always ,to be labeled a Christian you need to be properly baptized. IMMERSION ONLY!Also,No infant baptism.Baptism for adults only.This implies to me I would not be considered a Christian under any circumstances.I was baptized as an infant.You may well indeed be blessed in your group but the way I understand your teachings,your minister has the liberty to teach you as he sees fit.One example of this;The 1st service I attended I was aware the Our Father was not recited.I did question one of the 6 members.I was told this was a repetitious prayer and given the bible verse they use to refute this.
This is completely true of this church. They do not consider any other group Christians except its members. All others are considered condemmed. You must be a member of the Church of Christ. Any baptism other than full immersion as an adult or the age of reason is not considered valid. I remember one instance, where a man was re-baptized days later because he was not fully immersed. There was actually a debate whether he was or was not completely under the water. Even if only 1 mm of his body was not underwater, his baptism would not be valid! Again, any formal (pre-written) prayer is also condemmed as it is considered repitious and forbidden by the Bible. Of course, the Bible stesses VAIN repitious prayer. I am very surprised of Montoya’s experience as I have never heard of a Church of Christ following this doctrine. My entire family is Church of Christ and has been my entire life.
group mails every other month.As always ,to be labeled a Christian you need to be properly baptized. IMMERSION ONLY!Also,No infant baptism.Baptism for adults only.This implies to me I would not be considered a Christian under any circumstances.I was baptized as an infant.You may well indeed be blessed in your group but the way I understand your teachings,your minister has the liberty to teach you as he sees fit.One example of this;The 1st service I attended I was aware the Our Father was not recited.I did question one of the 6 members.I was told this was a repetitious prayer and given the bible verse they use to refute this.
This is completely true of this church. They do not consider any other group Christians except its members. All others are considered condemmed. You must be a member of the Church of Christ. Any baptism other than full immersion as an adult or the age of reason is not considered valid. I remember one instance, where a man was re-baptized days later because he was not fully immersed. There was actually a debate whether he was or was not completely under the water. Even if only 1 mm of his body was not underwater, his baptism would not be valid! Again, any formal (pre-written) prayer is also condemmed as it is considered repitious and forbidden by the Bible. Of course, the Bible stesses VAIN repitious prayer. I am very surprised of Montoya’s experience as I have never heard of a Church of Christ following this doctrine. My entire family is Church of Christ and has been my entire life.
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flick427
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I’d tell them, “no thanks, I don’t belive in heresy”.
But be polite to them…
Never hesitate to ask them wy they will believe the Bible, but not the church that put it together as we know it today…things like that…
Ipersonally find it best not to argue the Bible with people who have it pretty much memorized and probably know it better than me from the objective standpoint, that would be like arguing against evolution with someone who studies it al the time. I always prefer to use more primative techniques like logic and reason. Don’t use the “I’m right, you are wrong” approach…Such as this example:
Church of Christ (COC): The Bible is the only word of God and is what we should believe.
You: Really?
COC: Yes, it is what were were given.
YOU: When and who gave it to us.
COC: It is from God (not sure what they’d say about the date)
You: The Bible wasn’t complete until a couple hundred years after the apostles died etc… (refer to Catholic Answers website info on this)…So how did the first Christians know how to worship if they had no Bible and many were illiterate? Whle the Bible is our greatest Holy book How could they follow something that wasn’t even around yet? Answer; The Catholic church and tradition…
This could go on and on, but perhaps you get the point!
God bless!
But be polite to them…
Never hesitate to ask them wy they will believe the Bible, but not the church that put it together as we know it today…things like that…
Ipersonally find it best not to argue the Bible with people who have it pretty much memorized and probably know it better than me from the objective standpoint, that would be like arguing against evolution with someone who studies it al the time. I always prefer to use more primative techniques like logic and reason. Don’t use the “I’m right, you are wrong” approach…Such as this example:
Church of Christ (COC): The Bible is the only word of God and is what we should believe.
You: Really?
COC: Yes, it is what were were given.
YOU: When and who gave it to us.
COC: It is from God (not sure what they’d say about the date)
You: The Bible wasn’t complete until a couple hundred years after the apostles died etc… (refer to Catholic Answers website info on this)…So how did the first Christians know how to worship if they had no Bible and many were illiterate? Whle the Bible is our greatest Holy book How could they follow something that wasn’t even around yet? Answer; The Catholic church and tradition…
This could go on and on, but perhaps you get the point!
God bless!
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