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Exactly. It is because of such real-world issues that hamper respectful relationships between Islam and the rest of the moral world.Yes. I agree.
But if she’s only 12, or 9, or 7, it’s a matter for the police.
Exactly. It is because of such real-world issues that hamper respectful relationships between Islam and the rest of the moral world.Yes. I agree.
But if she’s only 12, or 9, or 7, it’s a matter for the police.
Muslims must have invented the tu quoque logical fallacy; they sure use it a lot.Salaam/peace
Don’t judge a marriage by today’s standard . Now even a college girl who has several boyfriends , may be already visited abortion clinics more than once is considered as toooo young for marriage.
In the past , it was very common for girls of almost all faiths to be married at eary age. Hindus believed all family members will go to hell if a girl reaches at her puberty at parents home. So , it was a must for all Hindu parents to arrange marriage for their daughters before their puberty.
There is no bar on young marriage in Judaism or Christianity.
In USA , only one hudred years ago , 10 years old girl could marry. Even now a days in USA , some Christian men are marrying both mom & daugther & u people are worried what took place thousands years ago.
now a days , under men made laws , minimum age for marriage is 18 for Hindu girls in India. But as I said , in less than one hundred years , young marriage of hindu girls was not only common , it was almost a must in West Bengal.I have been to Calcutta. No such thing there either.
Salaam/peace
now a days , under men made laws , minimum age for marriage is 18 for Hindu girls in India. But as I said , in less than one hundred years , young marriage of hindu girls was not only common , it was almost a must in West Bengal.
And you still refuse to answer the question.
What do you mean by “If west can accept unlimited unethical relationships”? The only “unlimited unethical relationships” i can think of are polygamous marriages. And this is only practiced by two religious groups. One of them are the break-away Mormons. Guess who is the other?I am trying to tell that don’t use double standard. If west can accept unlimited unethical ralationships , they must not condemn a marriage that is lawful regarding their own holy book.
I am sorry that I missed it.Salaam/peace
Sending marriage proposal is allowed for both men & women. Rejecting proposal is also allowed in Islam . If a proposal comes from a pious person , then parent must not object . yes , of course it depends on some other factors , too.
Now I don’t know any man whom people call Al Amin ( who always speak the truth ) since chilhood . I don’t know anyone who spends one third of night time in prayers , I don’t know any man who never committed any sin , never misbehaved with others , always guarded himself from all kind of sins , spent his whole youth taking care of an aged lady ( twice widowed with 3 kids ) , who married a poor woman with kids just because she was a God fearing lady , married an old lady who wanted to devoted her life in the path of God .
I really don’t know any man who is so trusted even by his enemies that they keep their precious items to him because they know he will return back their wealth etc etc.
If really any parent know a man of this kind of high morality , they must not say No to the proposal. But of course , they must not force daughter .
Don’t judge a marriage by today’s standard . Now even a college girl who has several boyfriends , may be already visited abortion clinics more than once is considered as toooo young for marriage.
In the past , it was very common for girls of almost all faiths to be married at eary age. Hindus believed all family members will go to hell if a girl reaches at her puberty at parents home. So , it was a must for all Hindu parents to arrange marriage for their daughters before their puberty.
There is no bar on young marriage in Judaism or Christianity.
In USA , only one hudred years ago , 10 years old girl could marry. Even now a days in USA , some Christian men are marrying both mom & daugther & u people are worried what took place thousands years ago.
I don’t know why people love to condemn Islam only if really this is a sin to have a young wife. In Islam it’s not a must for anyone to have a young wife. If girl is immatured , then parents must not give her in to marriage . Mother Aisha (ra ) was engaged already to another man , that marriage did not take place & later she became the mother of the believers. At her time , other girls of her age used to get married ----it was common .
Also , Prophet (p) waited long 3 years to take her home…why u think he did that ? She was his wife & he could easily started his life with her just after the marriage ceremony took place.
forced marriage is not allowed in Islam ; if the girl is confused , mentally & physically not matured , then parent must not arrange her marriage .
typical muslim response, does not answer the questions placed before them, but instead go on about other religions that have the same problem.Salaam/peace
now a days , under men made laws , minimum age for marriage is 18 for Hindu girls in India. But as I said , in less than one hundred years , young marriage of hindu girls was not only common , it was almost a must in West Bengal.
NO , I am not confusing them with Muslims. We don’t believe if a girl reaches her puberty at dad’s res , family members will be in hell.
. you will have no problems if your 7 year old daughter was to marry a man who could be her grandfather’s age?
any believer should prefer to die or wish daugther is blessed with death before she has any illegal affair , becomes unmarried mom or needs to kill unwanted baby .
Western world can accept unethical unlimited relationships of school girls but they can’t accept a legal marriage. Men made laws & choices differ from country to country , time to time but we must keep in mind that on the last day , God will judge by His laws.
Maybe it’s somewhere in those two giant posts (I only glanced over them, honestly…), but isn’t “temporary marriage” only a Shia doctrine?Despite the insistence of differences between Shi’ism and Sunni’ism - you can always find similar teachings when it comes to the subject of women.
It is, but one cannot deny the similar attitudes both Sunni and Shi’ite sects have towards women. Even if the doctrine of Nikah Mut’ah is exclusively a Shi’a invention, some Sunni Muslims have made up their own self-styled versions of the Shi’a doctrine. If you have been to Batam (an island of Indonesia), you can find scores of Muslim girls (usually prostitutes) with Sunni Muslim men frolicking around the red light district area. When caught, they say “if the Shi’a’s can do it, so can i”. Perhaps swariffin or morning_star can testify to this as they are Indonesians themselves.Maybe it’s somewhere in those two giant posts (I only glanced over them, honestly…), but isn’t “temporary marriage” only a Shia doctrine?
Aye, gotcha. Please try again.Also, Cathopologist, please empty a few PMs from your inbox…I can’t send you a message because it is full. Thanks.![]()
i can not even articulate a response to this pure and utter evil.**Ayatollah Khomeini’s Religious Teachings on **Marriage, Divorce and Relationships
“A woman may legally belong to a man in one of two ways; by continuing marriage or temporary marriage. In the former, the duration of the marriage need not be specified; in the latter, it must be stipulated, for example, that it is for a period of an hour, a day, a month, a year, or more.”
“**A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual act such as forplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. **A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not comitted a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man’s four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl’s sister.”
“A father or a paternal grandfather has the right to marry off a child who is insane or has not reached puberty by acting as its representative. The child may not annul such a marriage after reaching puberty or regaining his sanity, unless the marriage is to his manifest disadvantage.”
“Any girl who is of age, that is, capable of understanding what is in her own best interest, if she wishes to get married and is a virgin, must procure the authorization of her father or paternal grandfather. The permission of her mother or brother is not required.”
“A marriage is annulled if a man finds that his wife is afflicted with one of the seven following disabilities: madness, leprosy, eczema, blindness, paralysis with aftereffects, malformation of the urinary and genital tracts or of the genital-tract and rectum through conjoining thereof, or vaginal malformation making Coitus impossible.”
“If a wife finds out after marriage that her husband is suffering from mental illness, that he is a castrate, impotent, or has had his testicles excised, she may apply for annulment of her marriage.”
“If a wife has her marriage annulled because her husband is unable to have sexual relations with her either vaginally or anally, he must pay her as damages one-half of her mehryeh (her price) specified in the marriage contract. If the husband or wife annuls the marriage for any of the above-mentioned reasons, the man owes nothing to the woman if they have had sexual relations together; if they have not, he must pay her the full amount of the dowry.”
“A Moslem woman may not marry a non-Moslem man; nor may a Moslem man marry a non-Moslem woman in continuing marriage, but he may take a Jewish or Christian woman in temporary marriage.”
“A woman who has contracted a continuing marriage does not have the right to go out of the house without her husband’s permission; she must remain at his disposal for the fulfillment of any one of his desires, and may not refuse herself to him except for a religiously valid reason. If she is totally submissive to him, the husband must provide her with her food, clothing, and lodging, whether or not he has the means to do so.”
“A woman who refuses herself to her husband is guilty, and may not demand from him food, clothing, lodging, or any later sexual relations; however, she retains the right to be paid damages if she is repudiated.”
“If a man who has married a girl who has not reached puberty possesses her sexually before her ninth birthday, inflicting traumatisms upon her, he has no right to repeat such an act with her.”
“A man who has contracted a continuing marriage may not leave his wife for so long a time as to allow her to question the validity of the marriage; however, he is not obligated to spend one night out of every four with her.”
“A husband must have sexual relations with his wife at least once in every four months.”
“A woman who has been temporarily married in exchange for a previously established dowry has no right to demand that her daily expenses be paid by her husband, even when she becomes pregnant.”
“A temporary marriage, even though only one of convenience, is nevertheless legal.”
*Cont’d *
did not read the full post. Browse & u will see that , “A Jew could marry a 3 Years old girl (to be exact 3 Years one day).” Sanhedrin 55bi can not even articulate a response to this pure and utter evil.

Why do you keep deflecting and bringing up India/Hindus? Why don’t you answer for islam like everyone is asking you to do?Salaam/peace
now a days , under men made laws , minimum age for marriage is 18 for Hindu girls in India. But as I said , in less than one hundred years , young marriage of hindu girls was not only common , it was almost a must in West Bengal.
NO , I am not confusing them with Muslims. We don’t believe if a girl reaches her puberty at dad’s res , family members will be in hell.
you will have no problems if your 7 year old daughter was to marry a man who could be her grandfather’s age?
any believer should prefer to die or wish daugther is blessed with death before she has any illegal affair , becomes unmarried mom or needs to kill unwanted baby .
Western world can accept unethical unlimited relationships of school girls but they can’t accept a legal marriage. Men made laws & choices differ from country to country , time to time but we must keep in mind that on the last day , God will judge by His laws.