Cleric to marry 7 year old

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Yes. I agree.

But if she’s only 12, or 9, or 7, it’s a matter for the police.
Exactly. It is because of such real-world issues that hamper respectful relationships between Islam and the rest of the moral world.
 
this is just sick. And muslims always hypocriticaly go ona bout how bad catholocism is for the actions of soem catholic priests when they commit pedophilia legitimately in some muslim societies. It’s ok if mohammed did it according to them.
 
Salaam/peace

Don’t judge a marriage by today’s standard . Now even a college girl who has several boyfriends , may be already visited abortion clinics more than once is considered as toooo young for marriage.
In the past , it was very common for girls of almost all faiths to be married at eary age. Hindus believed all family members will go to hell if a girl reaches at her puberty at parents home. So , it was a must for all Hindu parents to arrange marriage for their daughters before their puberty.

There is no bar on young marriage in Judaism or Christianity.
In USA , only one hudred years ago , 10 years old girl could marry. Even now a days in USA , some Christian men are marrying both mom & daugther & u people are worried what took place thousands years ago.
Muslims must have invented the tu quoque logical fallacy; they sure use it a lot.
 
Salaam/peace
I have been to Calcutta. No such thing there either.
now a days , under men made laws , minimum age for marriage is 18 for Hindu girls in India. But as I said , in less than one hundred years , young marriage of hindu girls was not only common , it was almost a must in West Bengal.

NO , I am not confusing them with Muslims. We don’t believe if a girl reaches her puberty at dad’s res , family members will be in hell.

… you will have no problems if your 7 year old daughter was to marry a man who could be her grandfather’s age?

any believer should prefer to die or wish daugther is blessed with death before she has any illegal affair , becomes unmarried mom or needs to kill unwanted baby .

Western world can accept unethical unlimited relationships of school girls but they can’t accept a legal marriage. Men made laws & choices differ from country to country , time to time but we must keep in mind that on the last day , God will judge by His laws.
 
I am trying to tell that don’t use double standard. If west can accept unlimited unethical ralationships , they must not condemn a marriage that is lawful regarding their own holy book.
What do you mean by “If west can accept unlimited unethical relationships”? The only “unlimited unethical relationships” i can think of are polygamous marriages. And this is only practiced by two religious groups. One of them are the break-away Mormons. Guess who is the other?
 
Salaam/peace

Sending marriage proposal is allowed for both men & women. Rejecting proposal is also allowed in Islam . If a proposal comes from a pious person , then parent must not object . yes , of course it depends on some other factors , too.

Now I don’t know any man whom people call Al Amin ( who always speak the truth ) since chilhood . I don’t know anyone who spends one third of night time in prayers , I don’t know any man who never committed any sin , never misbehaved with others , always guarded himself from all kind of sins , spent his whole youth taking care of an aged lady ( twice widowed with 3 kids ) , who married a poor woman with kids just because she was a God fearing lady , married an old lady who wanted to devoted her life in the path of God .

I really don’t know any man who is so trusted even by his enemies that they keep their precious items to him because they know he will return back their wealth etc etc.

If really any parent know a man of this kind of high morality , they must not say No to the proposal. But of course , they must not force daughter .

Don’t judge a marriage by today’s standard . Now even a college girl who has several boyfriends , may be already visited abortion clinics more than once is considered as toooo young for marriage.
In the past , it was very common for girls of almost all faiths to be married at eary age. Hindus believed all family members will go to hell if a girl reaches at her puberty at parents home. So , it was a must for all Hindu parents to arrange marriage for their daughters before their puberty.

There is no bar on young marriage in Judaism or Christianity.
In USA , only one hudred years ago , 10 years old girl could marry. Even now a days in USA , some Christian men are marrying both mom & daugther & u people are worried what took place thousands years ago.

I don’t know why people love to condemn Islam only if really this is a sin to have a young wife. In Islam it’s not a must for anyone to have a young wife. If girl is immatured , then parents must not give her in to marriage . Mother Aisha (ra ) was engaged already to another man , that marriage did not take place & later she became the mother of the believers. At her time , other girls of her age used to get married ----it was common .

Also , Prophet (p) waited long 3 years to take her home…why u think he did that ? She was his wife & he could easily started his life with her just after the marriage ceremony took place.

forced marriage is not allowed in Islam ; if the girl is confused , mentally & physically not matured , then parent must not arrange her marriage .
I am sorry that I missed it.

If a man is good and holy and wants to molest a little girl under the guise of “marriage” he must not be refused.

Now, about the West. It seems to be impossible for non-Western Muslims to understand that Christianity forbids many things that occure in society. Here, however, we do not kill or beat the hell out of sinners. Our governments are secular, which, by the way, gives Muslims something that Christians in Muslim lands do not have: freedom of worship.
 
Salaam/peace

now a days , under men made laws , minimum age for marriage is 18 for Hindu girls in India. But as I said , in less than one hundred years , young marriage of hindu girls was not only common , it was almost a must in West Bengal.

NO , I am not confusing them with Muslims. We don’t believe if a girl reaches her puberty at dad’s res , family members will be in hell.

. you will have no problems if your 7 year old daughter was to marry a man who could be her grandfather’s age?

any believer should prefer to die or wish daugther is blessed with death before she has any illegal affair , becomes unmarried mom or needs to kill unwanted baby .

Western world can accept unethical unlimited relationships of school girls but they can’t accept a legal marriage. Men made laws & choices differ from country to country , time to time but we must keep in mind that on the last day , God will judge by His laws.
typical muslim response, does not answer the questions placed before them, but instead go on about other religions that have the same problem.:rolleyes:
 
There you go. If other members reading this nonsense from Muslim Woman do not believe my words, they are always welcome to ask their Hindu friends. As if the Hindus of India had’nt gone through the da’wah process of the Moghuls - they know all too well how the minds of certain radical Muslims work. They’ve had centuries of experience with them as their testimonies. So have the Sikhs - they suffered greatly when their Baba was executed and during the Great Partition.
 
**Ayatollah Khomeini’s Religious Teachings on **Marriage, Divorce and Relationships
“A woman may legally belong to a man in one of two ways; by continuing marriage or temporary marriage. In the former, the duration of the marriage need not be specified; in the latter, it must be stipulated, for example, that it is for a period of an hour, a day, a month, a year, or more.”
“A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual act such as forplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not comitted a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man’s four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl’s sister.”
“A father or a paternal grandfather has the right to marry off a child who is insane or has not reached puberty by acting as its representative. The child may not annul such a marriage after reaching puberty or regaining his sanity, unless the marriage is to his manifest disadvantage.”
“Any girl who is of age, that is, capable of understanding what is in her own best interest, if she wishes to get married and is a virgin, must procure the authorization of her father or paternal grandfather. The permission of her mother or brother is not required.”
“A marriage is annulled if a man finds that his wife is afflicted with one of the seven following disabilities: madness, leprosy, eczema, blindness, paralysis with aftereffects, malformation of the urinary and genital tracts or of the genital-tract and rectum through conjoining thereof, or vaginal malformation making Coitus impossible.”
“If a wife finds out after marriage that her husband is suffering from mental illness, that he is a castrate, impotent, or has had his testicles excised, she may apply for annulment of her marriage.”
“If a wife has her marriage annulled because her husband is unable to have sexual relations with her either vaginally or anally, he must pay her as damages one-half of her mehryeh (her price) specified in the marriage contract. If the husband or wife annuls the marriage for any of the above-mentioned reasons, the man owes nothing to the woman if they have had sexual relations together; if they have not, he must pay her the full amount of the dowry.”
“A Moslem woman may not marry a non-Moslem man; nor may a Moslem man marry a non-Moslem woman in continuing marriage, but he may take a Jewish or Christian woman in temporary marriage.”
“A woman who has contracted a continuing marriage does not have the right to go out of the house without her husband’s permission; she must remain at his disposal for the fulfillment of any one of his desires, and may not refuse herself to him except for a religiously valid reason. If she is totally submissive to him, the husband must provide her with her food, clothing, and lodging, whether or not he has the means to do so.”
“A woman who refuses herself to her husband is guilty, and may not demand from him food, clothing, lodging, or any later sexual relations; however, she retains the right to be paid damages if she is repudiated.”
“If a man who has married a girl who has not reached puberty possesses her sexually before her ninth birthday, inflicting traumatisms upon her, he has no right to repeat such an act with her.”
“A man who has contracted a continuing marriage may not leave his wife for so long a time as to allow her to question the validity of the marriage; however, he is not obligated to spend one night out of every four with her.”
“A husband must have sexual relations with his wife at least once in every four months.”
“A woman who has been temporarily married in exchange for a previously established dowry has no right to demand that her daily expenses be paid by her husband, even when she becomes pregnant.”
“A temporary marriage, even though only one of convenience, is nevertheless legal.”

*Cont’d *
 
Cont’d from above post

"A man must not abstain from having sexual relations with his temporary wife for more than four months.
“If a father (or paternal grandfather) marries off his daughter (or granddaughter) in her absence without knowing for a certainty that she is alive, the marriage becomes null and void as soon as it is established that she was dead at the time of the marriage.”
“To look upon the face and hair of a girl who has not reached puberty, if it is done without intention of enjoyment thereof, and if one is not afraid of succumbing to temptation, may be tolerated. It is however recommended that one not look upon her belly or thighs, which must remain covered.”
“To look upon the faces and hands of Jewish or Christian women, if this is not done with intention of enjoyment thereof, and if one does not fear temptation, is tolerated.”
“A woman must hide her body and her hair from the eyes of men. It is highly recommended that she also hide them from those of prepubic boys, if she suspects that they may look upon her with lust.”
“If a man is called upon, for medical reasons, to look upon a woman other than his wife and to touch her body, he is permitted to do so,but if he can give such care by only looking at the body he must not touch it, and if he can give it by only touching, he must not look at it.”
“A woman who becomes pregnant as a result of adultery must not have an abortion. If a man commits adultery with an unmarried woman, and subsequently marries her, the child born of that marriage will be a bastard unless the parents can be sure it was conceived after they were married.”
“A child born of an adulterous father is legitimate.”
“The best person to breast-feed a newborn baby it its own mother. It is preferable that she not ask to be paid for such service, but that her husband pay her for it of his own free will. If the sum the mother asks for is greater than that charged by a wet nurse, the husband is free to take the child from its mother and turn it over to the wet nurse.”
“A man who repudiates his wife must be of sound mind and past the age of puberty. He must do so of his own free will and without any constraint; therefore, if the formula for divorce is spoken in jest the marriage is not annulled.”
“A woman temporarily married, say, for a month or a year, has her marriage automatically annulled at the end of that time, or at any other time when the husband releases her from the balance of her engagement. It is not necessary for this that there be any witnesses, or that the woman have had her period.”
“A woman who has not yet reached the age of nine or a menopausal woman may remarry immediately after divorce, without waiting the hundred days that are otherwise required.”
“A woman who has had her ninth birthday, or who has not yet entered menopause, must wait for three menstrual periods after her divorce before being allowed to remarry. If a woman who has not reached her ninth birthday or who has not entered menopause gets temporarily married, she must, at the end of the contract or when the husband has released her from part of it, wait two menstrual periods or forty-five days before marrying again.”
“If the father or paternal grandfather of a boy has him marry a woman for a temporary marriage, he may prematurely cancel it in the boy’s interest, even if the marriage was contracted before the boy reached the age of puberty. If, for example, a fourteen-year-old boy has been married off to a woman for a period of two years, they may return her freedom to the woman before this time has run its course; but a continuing marriage cannot be broken in this way.”
“If a man repudiates his wife without informing her of it, and continues to meet her expenses for a period of, say, a year, and at the end of that time informs her that he got a divorce a year earlier and shows her proof of it, he may require that she return to him anything he has bought or given her during that time, provided that she has not used it up or consumed it, in which case he cannot demand its return.”
“If a child dies within the mother’s womb and it is a danger to her life to leave it there, it must be extracted in the easiest way possible; it can. if need be, cut into pieces; this should be done by the woman’s husband or a midwife.”
“A woman who wishes to pursue her studies toward the end of being able to earn her living through respectable work, and who has a male teacher, may do so if she keeps her face covered and has no contact with men; but if-that is inevitable, and religious and moral tenets are thus undermined, she must give up her studies. Girls and boys who attend coeducational classes in grammar schools, high schools, universities, or other teaching establishments, and who, in order to legalize such a situation, wish to contract a temporary marriage may do so without the permission of their fathers. The same applies if the boy and girl are in love but hesitate to ask for such permission.”
(Teachings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution)
 
Despite the insistence of differences between Shi’ism and Sunni’ism - you can always find similar teachings when it comes to the subject of women - a mere commodity.

*“I was standing at the edge of the fire (hell) and the majority of the people going in were women.” - Prophet Mohammed

*Please read: "Women In Islam" - From the pages of the Dr Homa Darabi Foundation.
 
Despite the insistence of differences between Shi’ism and Sunni’ism - you can always find similar teachings when it comes to the subject of women.
Maybe it’s somewhere in those two giant posts (I only glanced over them, honestly…), but isn’t “temporary marriage” only a Shia doctrine?

Also, Cathopologist, please empty a few PMs from your inbox…I can’t send you a message because it is full. Thanks. 👍
 
Maybe it’s somewhere in those two giant posts (I only glanced over them, honestly…), but isn’t “temporary marriage” only a Shia doctrine?
It is, but one cannot deny the similar attitudes both Sunni and Shi’ite sects have towards women. Even if the doctrine of Nikah Mut’ah is exclusively a Shi’a invention, some Sunni Muslims have made up their own self-styled versions of the Shi’a doctrine. If you have been to Batam (an island of Indonesia), you can find scores of Muslim girls (usually prostitutes) with Sunni Muslim men frolicking around the red light district area. When caught, they say “if the Shi’a’s can do it, so can i”. Perhaps swariffin or morning_star can testify to this as they are Indonesians themselves.
Also, Cathopologist, please empty a few PMs from your inbox…I can’t send you a message because it is full. Thanks. 👍
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**Ayatollah Khomeini’s Religious Teachings on **Marriage, Divorce and Relationships
“A woman may legally belong to a man in one of two ways; by continuing marriage or temporary marriage. In the former, the duration of the marriage need not be specified; in the latter, it must be stipulated, for example, that it is for a period of an hour, a day, a month, a year, or more.”
“**A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual act such as forplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. **A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not comitted a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man’s four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl’s sister.”
“A father or a paternal grandfather has the right to marry off a child who is insane or has not reached puberty by acting as its representative. The child may not annul such a marriage after reaching puberty or regaining his sanity, unless the marriage is to his manifest disadvantage.”
“Any girl who is of age, that is, capable of understanding what is in her own best interest, if she wishes to get married and is a virgin, must procure the authorization of her father or paternal grandfather. The permission of her mother or brother is not required.”
“A marriage is annulled if a man finds that his wife is afflicted with one of the seven following disabilities: madness, leprosy, eczema, blindness, paralysis with aftereffects, malformation of the urinary and genital tracts or of the genital-tract and rectum through conjoining thereof, or vaginal malformation making Coitus impossible.”
“If a wife finds out after marriage that her husband is suffering from mental illness, that he is a castrate, impotent, or has had his testicles excised, she may apply for annulment of her marriage.”
“If a wife has her marriage annulled because her husband is unable to have sexual relations with her either vaginally or anally, he must pay her as damages one-half of her mehryeh (her price) specified in the marriage contract. If the husband or wife annuls the marriage for any of the above-mentioned reasons, the man owes nothing to the woman if they have had sexual relations together; if they have not, he must pay her the full amount of the dowry.”
“A Moslem woman may not marry a non-Moslem man; nor may a Moslem man marry a non-Moslem woman in continuing marriage, but he may take a Jewish or Christian woman in temporary marriage.”
“A woman who has contracted a continuing marriage does not have the right to go out of the house without her husband’s permission; she must remain at his disposal for the fulfillment of any one of his desires, and may not refuse herself to him except for a religiously valid reason. If she is totally submissive to him, the husband must provide her with her food, clothing, and lodging, whether or not he has the means to do so.”
“A woman who refuses herself to her husband is guilty, and may not demand from him food, clothing, lodging, or any later sexual relations; however, she retains the right to be paid damages if she is repudiated.”
“If a man who has married a girl who has not reached puberty possesses her sexually before her ninth birthday, inflicting traumatisms upon her, he has no right to repeat such an act with her.”
“A man who has contracted a continuing marriage may not leave his wife for so long a time as to allow her to question the validity of the marriage; however, he is not obligated to spend one night out of every four with her.”
“A husband must have sexual relations with his wife at least once in every four months.”
“A woman who has been temporarily married in exchange for a previously established dowry has no right to demand that her daily expenses be paid by her husband, even when she becomes pregnant.”
“A temporary marriage, even though only one of convenience, is nevertheless legal.”

*Cont’d *
i can not even articulate a response to this pure and utter evil.

i am sickened and at a complete loss for why these teachings from an islamic scholar did not make every single (shiite) muslim turn from their religion in disgust. no one can say they might have held personally different views when their own religion doesn’t allow for that.

garbage.

i simply can NOT to see how brainwashing can be so powerful as to over ride the parent’s instinct to protect their children. how?

it is true though, this filthy ideology is far more dangerous than communism or any mass political killings as a false perception of God is involved.

we must educate ourselves and others and pray every night.
 
Salaam/peace
i can not even articulate a response to this pure and utter evil.
did not read the full post. Browse & u will see that , “A Jew could marry a 3 Years old girl (to be exact 3 Years one day).” Sanhedrin 55b

Now do u hate Rabbis for giving this fatwa or u think all jews should leave their religion ?

In Quran , God orders us take care of orphan child & So , its obvious how important it is for a parent to take care of their own kids. About returning property of orphans , command is — Keep testing these orphans till the time that they reach the age of adolescence/marriage…” (Al-Nisa’ 4: 6) .

So , regarding this verse is saying that wait till they reach puberty…so it can be used as the minimum age for marriage. Also , marriage means responsiblity , a husband is responsible to fulfill his wife’s all kinds of needs . A man is forbidden to keep his wife with this evil intention to mistreat her…there is specific verse againt those evil mentality.

If any man breaks God’s command , he becomes a sinner & action should be taken against him .
 
Does anyone knows why people are addicted to sexual perversions and habits? or how it starts?

One findings shows that the beginnings of this sinful bondage are usually rooted in ADOLESCENCE OR CHILDHOOD. For starters, the child often grows up in a chaotic, hostile or neglectful home.(Battered Wife,Indifference towards daughters, Masochistic Father could define this)

Or,the child may be introduced to sex in inappropriate ways. Instead of the normal sexual experimentation that often takes place out of curiosity between similar aged children at some point growing up, some children are introduced to sex by some adult who uses them instead of another adult for their sexual pleasure.

The study shows the conclusive reasons start from Rape at an early age and Pedophilia from an adult,that in some case, can also be promoted legally by a religious culture of unlimited sexual orgies(that start from infancy to the afterlife).

I personally know some people who are in bondage to this sin because they were molested or raped in their childhood. Some work as Sex workers because of this.Some are still struggling and some were freed by the Grace of the Almighty God.

Maybe this is why Iran is legalizing prostitution for the simple reason that they have groomed discreet sexually starve women and this women are going to take advantage of it to feed their families. How unfortunate.😦

I pray for that seven year old.:gopray:
 
Salaam/peace

now a days , under men made laws , minimum age for marriage is 18 for Hindu girls in India. But as I said , in less than one hundred years , young marriage of hindu girls was not only common , it was almost a must in West Bengal.

NO , I am not confusing them with Muslims. We don’t believe if a girl reaches her puberty at dad’s res , family members will be in hell.

you will have no problems if your 7 year old daughter was to marry a man who could be her grandfather’s age?

any believer should prefer to die or wish daugther is blessed with death before she has any illegal affair , becomes unmarried mom or needs to kill unwanted baby .

Western world can accept unethical unlimited relationships of school girls but they can’t accept a legal marriage. Men made laws & choices differ from country to country , time to time but we must keep in mind that on the last day , God will judge by His laws.
Why do you keep deflecting and bringing up India/Hindus? Why don’t you answer for islam like everyone is asking you to do?

the difference between your laws - which are also man made. The laws that God gave to us were of a total of 10 - they are called the 10 commandments. And those 10 Commandments were something that not even mohammed could follow so he had to redefine the laws and just say that ‘allah said it was so…’. And you guys follow it even though they break most of the laws of God.

As for the laws of a country - it is good that most countries have laws that are NOT sharia law. Those sharia laws allow such things as pediphilia - and other nasties such as ‘honor killings’, beatings, etc. Not even the other fascist regime of communism allows for such nastiness from their populace!

I read all the time where parents give their young children to old men to marry, or their sons so they can die killing non-muslims and be martyrs. that is sick.

This video is more common than not in areas where muslims are aggressive against the non-muslim populations around this globe:

shahid mother
 
muslim woman, planten, etc are all premium examples of what muslims are all about. What do you mean by suggesting that they are not the norm in islam?! In fact, it gets even worse as far as how the muslims are. Get used to them because I am telling you that even the converts to this ‘religion’ is churning out that sort.

I didn’t start out condemning islam - I have just read too much about it and that includes the koran, many of its hadiths, its history both past and present. the more I read the more I realize what a farce it is. And yes, I think that it is evil.

What other religion twists murder, torture - and all of the 7 deadly sins (greed, sloth, lust, etc) and deception into a holy thing?! Only islam. mohammed broke so many of the 10 Commandments that he had to redefine sin and that is why all these atrocities are still allowed in islam. The marrying of children is a minor thing to them. We shouldn’t be surprised that muslims defend this, or practice it. They practice this, polygamy, they send their children out to be murderers - oh er I mean martyrs so that martyr can go to heaven and name them as one of the saved! What sickness is this?

Isaiah 46:1
Bel bows down, Nebo stoops, their idols are upon beasts and cattle; They must be borne up on shoulders, carried as burdens by the weary.


Not only can we find in the Bible warnings of what is to come in the form of people killing for what they think is God, it also tells us what is a prophet and what is not - and mohammed is not! Why did Christ speak in parables? Because He knew that the evil ones would not understand - and who are the ones who do not understand?! Do I really need to answer that for you?

The Bible has a wealth of passages to show us that islam is the straying away from God. In the passage above ‘Bel’ is Baal - basically the islam god, allah, is Baal. And in the end it will bow down to the One True God.
 
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