CNN medical analyst wants to ‘cancel’ Christmas over COVID fears

[LeafByNiggle]

CradleRC58:

You think these people care if their fellow Christians live or die ?

Yes. I think that they care. Their prayerful actions tell me they do in fact.

They wanted to be close to Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament and in a holy consecrated space to pray.

They were willing to risk themselves while others chose to walk away.

Correction: They were willing to risk the lives of others by not caring if they got infected. That is not an expression of Christian love.

People cough for many reasons outside of Corona virus.

One of those reasons is Coronavirus. The question should not be to prove the kid has covid. The question should be to prove the kid does not have covid.

We all know there has been epic fact fudging by some on the left.

That stats about covid deaths reported by the CDC are not from the “left”. They are from the non-partisan and professional CDC.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

humilityseeker:

Corn husking at its finest.

Still waiting for the answer.

What exactly are you saying?

The point is chasing down obscure anecdotes is not necessary. It would take an immense number of motorcycle accidents to invalidate the general sense of the covid stats.

 

[vz71]

The point is…

I want to know how the phrase applies.

 

[Cathoholic]

The question should not be to prove the kid has covid. The question should be to prove the kid . . .

No Leaf.

The question is WHO gets to referee.

To you it is the Government.
To me it is the people.

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It would take an immense number of motorcycle accidents to invalidate the general sense of the covid stats.

You are blowing-off the principle assuming this is a proverbial “one-and-done”.

There lies your built-in presupposition.
A wrong pre-supposition from looking at many other instances.

 

[Cathoholic]

Another change of my premise. (“Some on the left”
gets morphed into “the CDC”.
This fallacy of equivocation usually suggests
a weak counter-argument
which is usually WHY it needs to be done in the first place.
Look at the articles I posted.
The “CDC” isn’t even mentioned.
This is a “Garbage-in, garbage-out” issue.
Not a CDC issue.)

Cathoholic:

We all know there has been epic fact fudging by some on the left.

That stats about covid deaths reported by the CDC are not from the “left”. They are from the non-partisan and professional CDC.

 

[Cathoholic]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/san-diego-supervisor-says-only-6-of-194-coronavirus-recorded-deaths-pure-coronavirus-deaths

Pennsylvania Forced To Remove Hundreds Of Deaths From Coronavirus Death Count After Coroners Raise Red Flags World News

APRIL 25TH, 2020 Pennsylvania Forced To Remove Hundreds Of Deaths From Coronavirus Death Count After Coroners Raise Red Flags By Amanda Prestigiacomo DailyWire.com Pennsylvania has had to remove hundreds of coronavirus deaths from its official death count this week, following questions of accuracy and highlighted discrepancies by area coroners. The PA health department decided to include “probable” coronavirus deaths, or an assumed COVID-19-related death without testing for the virus, to th…

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May 15, 2020

Colorado man died of alcohol poisoning, but death was later blamed on coronavirus: report​

By David Aaro | Fox News

Colorado man died of alcohol poisoning, but death was later blamed on coronavirus: report | Fox News

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There are many more instances of this sort of shenanigans. We’ve all seen it.

Can we stop pretending
this never happened?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

You are blowing-off the principle assuming this is a proverbial “one-and-done”.

That is the null hypothesis. It is you guys that are claiming that the stats are way off. So the burden of proof is on you.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

San Diego Supervisor Says Only 6 Of 194 Coronavirus-Recorded Deaths ‘Pure’

As I have said every time this misleading quote is mentioned, a death due to covid plus a weakening precondition is still a death that would not have happened without covid. Someone with asthma who gets covid and dies is still counted as a covid death, as it should be (of course).

 

[Cathoholic]

is still a death that would not have happened without covid.

Tell that to George Floyd’s family.

You are wrong. These are called “incidental findings”.

Which is WHY they had to re-classify deaths in at least some instances.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

is still a death that would not have happened without covid.

Tell that to George Floyd’s family.

You are wrong. These are called “incidental findings”.

Which is WHY they had to re-classify deaths in at least some instances.

The instances in which they had to re-classify deaths was not because they were not pure. They are instances where, in the opinion of the medical examiner, the death would have happened at about the same time and in the same way without covid. That certainly is a much smaller set than the set of covid deaths that are not “pure” deaths. So can we stop using the meaningless term, “pure covid deaths”?

 

[Cathoholic]

the death would have happened at about the same time and in the same way without covid. That certainly is a much smaller set

Really?

Then WHY is the average age of death WITH corona virus the SAME
(actually slightly better)
as the average age of death WITHOUT corona virus?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

the death would have happened at about the same time and in the same way without covid. That certainly is a much smaller set

Really?

Then WHY is the average age of death WITH corona virus the SAME
(actually slightly better)
as the average age of death WITHOUT corona virus?

I have no idea what significance you attach to the average age of death. I don’t see why it should be higher or lower or stay the same. Do you?

 

[Cathoholic]

LeafByNiggle:

Do you?

Yes I do.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Do you?

The fact that one cannot explain what that significance is casts great doubt on whether that person actually knows what that significance is.

 

[qui_est_ce]

I love how people think politicians breaking the rules somehow invalidates science.

I think it’s more that it proves they don’t believe the science. They are imposing rules on people to “save” them, yet they’re not worried about being saved. That’s my take.

Just like John Kerry buying a 12M beachfront home after calling rising oceans deniers members of the Flat Earth Society. He obviously doesn’t really believe it.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Sometimes I wonder if people actually read links.

CDC Says Common Cause of Death, Heart Attack, Is Counted as COVID Death if Victim Suspected of COVID | Coronavirus News

Now we learn that the CDC lists “cardiac arrest,” heart failure,” and “influenza and pneumonia” as comorbid conditions. In other words, if you had normal flu and COVID both, you died of COVID. If you had a heart attack while tested positive for COVID, you died of COVID. Even if you showed no symptoms.

Dr. Deborah Birx, White House coronavirus response coordinator, said in the dark month of April:

“If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,”

Counting all heart attacks as COVID if remotely possible is a game-changer, because heart disease, along with cancer, is the leading cause of death in the US. These CDC rules might explain why, at the beginning of the “crisis” in New York State, all other causes of death suddenly dropped dramatically.

 

[gam197]

CNN medical Analyst and Former Head of Planned Parenthood says cancel Christmas and New Year Eve.

CNN Medical Analyst: Cancel Christmas, New Years Eve Plans

 

[RootKitWarrior]

All Mass gatherings on New Year’s Eve will be a breeding ground for Covid.

Yes or No?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Now we learn that the CDC lists “cardiac arrest,” heart failure,” and “influenza and pneumonia” as comorbid conditions. In other words, if you had normal flu and COVID both, you died of COVID. If you had a heart attack while tested positive for COVID, you died of COVID. Even if you showed no symptoms.

Is this supposed to somehow discredit taking this pandemic seriously? Because it doesn’t do that. The determination of a covid death is made when, in the opinion of medical professionals, the death was hastened by covid. That is as it should be. Why should we ignore something that is hastening deaths? If someone has asthma, they might go on to live a good long life. The same is true of heart disease, flu, and pneumonia. Can we please stop filtering deaths by whether or not they were “pure”?

 

[qui_est_ce]

Is this supposed to somehow discredit taking this pandemic seriously?

Not it is not.

If you read the rest of my post, you will see that heart disease deaths are down, COVID up. All deaths are of persons with COVID are classified as COVID. Even if they are in hospice with a few days to live. If they contract COVID while in hospice, it will be classified as COVID.

The number of deaths in the U.S in 2020 is not higher than the number of deaths in 2019. Just the cause has changed. I’ve posted graphs from the Johns Hopkins on this.