Common Sense Alcohol Reform

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JanSobieskiIII said:
Target shooting is training to hit where you’re aiming.

So you can hit the more lethal areas on a living organism.
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I can’t agree with that. Some people really do target practice just because they like shooting. In fact I’d say most target practice is likely just for fun. If you are shooting up watermelons or pumpkins that is just for fun. Of course being proficient with a firearm is useful when you do need it for defense.

Also, some guns are never or rarely shot. They just sit in a cabinet because someone likes collecting them.
JanSobieskiIII said:
I don’t disagree. I just don’t think it’s fair to blow off the fact that guns were invented to make killing people easier than using a bow or sword.
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Were they? I don’t think we know why the first person invented a gun. I do feel confident that once invented people immediately used it to kill. But man has a tendency to do that. Rocks weren’t invented for killing but maybe Cain saw the utility of it in his wicked plan (assuming he used a rock which I don’t know that he did).
 
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The purpose of guns is to kill. That isn’t the purpose of alcohol.
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How do you determine the purpose of something? There can be the purpose of the maker and the purpose of the user.

Some guns are manufactured, bought, used and intended solely for target shooting. Many guns are owned solely as a collectors item.

Numbers wise very few guns held by private citizens are used to kill. Government guns are a different story. So if guns only purpose is to kill then most fail to achieve their purpose. I know plenty of people with multiple firearms and not a single one has achieved the purpose you claim guns exist for.
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I can only guess that there were voices in the Church who said “This is unnatural. This is disordered (in the sense that it goes against the natural order). Therefore it is evil.” Sadly, they were either ignored or overruled.
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Precisely, it’s your guess and your opinion. You have no basis for your claim other than your own speculation.

The Catholic Church could still look further into tobacco. Perhaps they have! They’ve certainly had time and access to research. Until the Church comes out condemning it, I shall smoke my corncob pipe in peace.
 
And peace be with you always. For my part, I will breathe clean air in peace.
 
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you and Pier Giorgio Frassati, John Bosco, Joseph of Cupertino, and other saints 🙂 you’re in good company
 
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Ever notice the similar spelling of “Gun” and “Fun”? Coincidence? I think not.
 
Clearly not spoken by a Methodist. 😉 I assure you that went out of fashion ages ago. I’ve never set foot in a Methodist church in all the years I’ve been one that said alcohol is a sin or that backed teetotaling.
 
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Your dog? 😨
 
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He don’t need no stinkin’ weapons.

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Don’t let the chill fool you. He’s sweet as sugar unless you decide to break in at 0400. He nearly went through the door at some loser who broke into my mom’s car in our DRIVEWAY early one autumn morning.

Not trained. Just a Malinois who loves his people. To death, apparently. 😄😄

Stumbled across him in a shelter. My screen name is from him - he was chipped, and was registered with the chip company as Pup 7, so at some point he came from a breeder. We think someone just couldn’t handle him - Malis can be a nightmare; there’s a reason us K9 folks (I’m an ex USAF K9 handler) call them shepherds on crack - and turned him in. Glad we found him. He’s an ox and a brat but we love him dearly.
 
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I don’t know but, while I think it is fine for people under 21 to drink, I am not eager to see the age lowered. The day it is lowered, a bunch of people are going to go nuts with it and drink stupidly. It would be a busy day at the ER.
 
If high school students were getting drunk and plowing their cars through cafeterias, killing themselves and numerous classmates who were at school with the entire student body present or mowing down whole crowds at concerts or movie theaters, you can bet there would be talk of stricter alcohol laws.

The high number of teens that die because of guns is bad enough, but the straw that broke the camel’s back is (a) the mass killings and (b) the defensiveness about how necessary it is to have high capacity weapons.

You’ll notice the alcohol manufacturers have all gotten into the “drink responsibly” bandwagon. Gun defenders ought to take note.
 
What I think does not matter at all. What extreme advocates on either end think does not really even matter so much. What matters is what the middle 30-40 percent think. They are increasingly skeptical of the idea that self defense or hunting requires being able to squeeze off a lot of rounds quickly.

Me? I think taking kids with a lot of things making their emotional lives difficult and giving them exciting games where they become desensitized to the idea of winning a game that involves killing lots people and all the other things that have desensitized us concerning the value of the lives of strangers have everything to do with these mass killings. I think the high value placed on notoriety has everything to do with it, too. When there aren’t guns, they learn to make bombs, and they can’t outlaw all the ways there are to do that.

Undoing that? It will take more work than cleaning up the big islands of plastic floating on the ocean. I don’t know that I will live to see it. I fear it will get much worse before getting any better. So yes, get ready for the center of the body politic to start taking a very narrow view of the right to bear arms. Based on history, it is the way to bet.
 
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Methodism, is an offshoot of Anglican, and was really just a revitalized Puritan movement. I have tried to see a difference between the two (Puritan and Methodist) but it is really hard to delineate. But then I have also had the same problem delineating Puritan and Presbyterian.

Where do you get your information for puritans loving their beer? I am interested.
 
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