Confirmation for protestants

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I always recommend that any RC affirm any teachings of the RCC, (say, Apostolicae Curea, in particular) and conclusions and assertions of the Magisterium, generally, at the appropriate level of theological certainty.

Anyone not in communion with Rome need not do so, though, of course, any such may.

Again, you are not being offensive in the least. Naive, maybe.
 
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Preaching the gospel (or simply telling people about Jesus in our daily lives) is certainly crucial to evangelization and conversion. It is most certainly a good work. Romans 10:17 does say, “So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.”

However, the hearers here are the people who listen. It is they who receive the gift of faith as they receive the message and believe. Yes, through the obedience and good work of the preacher his listeners receive faith in Christ as they hear the gospel message, but the preacher does not preach to save himself. He does not spread the gospel in order to merit eternal life.
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I understand what you are saying here and I am with you on what you affirm.

But spreading these proverbial seeds of the faith IS meritorious unto eternal life.

That being said, you cannot merit eternal life.

Question for Cathoholic: How can this NOT be a self-contradiction.

Answer: First of all ONLY Jesus can merit eternal life.

But once He does, once He lives IN us, things change.

We are not left orphans.

Christ Jesus WORKS in us and through us.

And that IS salvific.

Salvation is not a MERE moment ALONE.

Salvation is a moment, followed by a process. A lifelong process.

So after we are saved, we MUST CONTINUE to be saved.

And it is in this sense (not in the original moment sense) that sewing seeds of faith IS salvific. It DOES render unto eternal life.

That is why it is not a self-contradiction. Because of the two senses. BOTH are necessary. The moment (Jesus), followed by the process (Jesus AND Christians).
 
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Without sounding condescending, lutheranism is heretical religion. I’m sorry.
 
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OK, and sorry but on a weekly basis I still practice communion. I’m sorry if you feel any different, I pray for you to accept non-Catholic Christians as your brothers and sisters in Christ, as apparently you currently do not.

If you do, I apologize…your over-generalization of us either makes your ignorance of non-Catholic Christians show…or you denounce the teaching of the Church that we indeed are brothers and/or sisters… ¯_(ツ)_/¯
 
These are hard truths. I understand. They are difficult for me to communicate as well. These are the teachings of the church, I didn’t conjure them from thin air. I personally accept you as my brethren. Though you may be confused about the truth of salvation, I love and pray for you. Christianity is simple in it’s massage, yet complex in its simplicity. You should ask yourself, why was the Church one up to and until Martin Luther? And now, look at what we have. Over 30,000 different denominations all believing they the truth. Do we all belong to Christ? The whole world belongs to Christ. But did Christ come to sew confusion? I’m sure he did not. For there is only one truth. The truth established by Christ Himself. For he founded one church. "Upon this rock I will build my Church, not church’s. I neither condemn you or convert you. That belongs to Christ our King. I ask rather that you read the Church fathers as I am doing now and educate yourself on the true teachings of Holy Mother Church and see if you would still remain Lutheran. God love you.
 
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I sighed, considered the whole topic, in this particular context, went to get another cup of coffee and moved to another thread.
 
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You should ask yourself, why was the Church one up to and until Martin Luther?
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You are aware of the Great Schism of1054?
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And now, look at what we have. Over 30,000 different denominations all believing they the truth. Do we all belong to Christ? The whole world belongs to Christ. But did Christ come to sew confusion?
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I don’t think anyone blames Christ for our divisions.
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For there is only one truth. The truth established by Christ Himself. For he founded one church. "Upon this rock I will build my Church, not church’s.
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Agreed.
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I ask rather that you read the Church fathers as I am doing now and educate yourself on the true teachings of Holy Mother Church and see if you would still remain Lutheran. God love you.
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Thank you
 
The Orthodox believers are outside of the Roman Catholic Church as well. Though their Eucharist is valid their split was entirely different. Based on Papal authority. Protestants however are in direct conflict with the teachings of Christs Holy Church and therefore heretical. So why do you point to bad behavior to justify the bad behavior of protestants? It’s Gods will that we all believe as one and with 4 marks of the true Church. One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. It’s not my intention to offend, only to help you to see the ways of truth. I am no theologian it’s true. However, I have read enough to know that there is only one truth. You go on and believe what you will, I for my part will ere on the side of history. A tree is known by its fruits and the Catholic Church has, through Grace of God born much. Are there corrupt clergy? Of course. Will I throw the baby out with the bathwater? Certainly not. Remember, the gates of hell will NOT prevail against it (the Church). Which means it most certainly will try. Time she is running short. God love you.
 
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I don’t think all folks who might be referred to as heretics are actually going to care what the poster says.

The ability to offend is always a blunt instrument that has to be handed to the one who aspires to offend, by the putative recipient.
 
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The truth offended the Sadusees and the Pharisees also.
 
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You have no priest by virtue of apostolic succession to call down Christ during the sacrifice of the mass Senior Services so since you have no priest you have no sacrament don’t mean to overgeneralize and I don’t mean to offend these are not my interpretations but those of the Catholic Church and if any priest or anybody else in the Catholic Church tells you different they’re misleading you God love you
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Jesus in the only high priest we need.

Hebrews 4:

14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Paul is very clear here saying all people have one high priest who is in heaven. How do you then say we have no high priest?
 
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Nicky777:
You have no priest by virtue of apostolic succession to call down Christ during the sacrifice of the mass Senior Services so since you have no priest you have no sacrament don’t mean to overgeneralize and I don’t mean to offend these are not my interpretations but those of the Catholic Church and if any priest or anybody else in the Catholic Church tells you different they’re misleading you God love you
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Jesus in the only high priest we need.

Hebrews 4:

14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Paul is very clear here saying all people have one high priest who is in heaven. How do you then say we have no high priest?
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You’ll notice he didn’t say “high priest.”
 
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You’ll notice he didn’t say “high priest.”
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You are aware the high priest is all we need, for we being Christians, are a royal priesthood according to Peter?

I’m sure you know of course that John in Revelation affirmed we are kings and priests?
 
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HopkinsReb:
You’ll notice he didn’t say “high priest.”
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You are aware the high priest is all we need, for we being Christians, are a royal priesthood according to Peter?

I’m sure you know of course that John in Revelation affirmed we are kings and priests?
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There are priests and there are priests, and only the ordained ministerial priests fill some of those roles, including that of making the sacrifice of the High Priest physically present on Earth.
 
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