Congratulations To Pope Benedict For Having The Courage To State ("We Need To Save Ourselves From Self-Destructive Sexual Life Styles")

[benedictus2]

The way the mainstream press has handled this just thoroughly disgusts me. They act as though we are bigots just because our pope has stood up against homosexuality and other deviant forms of sexuality. Personally, I applaud the pope and if I am going to be called a bigot for that then so be it.

One thing I’ve learned when reading the newspapers about the Catholic Church is to take everything with a humongous amount of salt.

They like bashing the Catholic Church and that is that. Objectivity goes out the door when the Pope and Catholic doctrine are the topics.

 

[childofmary1143]

In Psalm 139 it says, God knitted us in our mother’s womb. So God made a drastic terrible mistake with you which you felt you yourself ought to correct?

You know better than God? That’s what Adam and Eve thought as well when they ate the forbiden fruit.

That is a ridiculous assumption. I suppose its a media fabrication when you hear about rare child births where say the heart is outside the body when it should be on the inside. Or what do you suppose God is saying when twins are conjoined?

 

[childofmary1143]

The Pope wisely refrains from “entering into a dialogue with transgendered people” for the same reason I decline to engage the babbling maniac on the corner of the street who insists that aliens run the federal government. There’s little point in attempting conversation with people who have allowed their own delusions and disorders to overtake them in such a fashion.

On your own profile page you yourself describe yourself as a lapsed catholic. Why should anyone listen to you interpret what the Pope means when you are not following what the Church teaches?

 

[benedictus2]

That is a ridiculous assumption. I suppose its a media fabrication when you hear about rare child births where say the heart is outside the body when it should be on the inside. Or what do you suppose God is saying when twins are conjoined?

So in your opinion it is okay for people to have sex change operations? I looked at your profile and it said your Catholic, Catholick Catholic. I am a bit confused.

 

[childofmary1143]

So in your opinion it is okay for people to have sex change operations? I looked at your profile and it said your Catholic, Catholick Catholic. I am a bit confused.

Did you read his post? He possessed male and female traits (female hormones but male body). Can you cite Catholic teaching regarding what a person is to do?

 

[benedictus2]

Did you read his post? He possessed male and female traits (female hormones but male body). Can you cite Catholic teaching regarding what a person is to do?

Okay, here is what he wrote:

TShawn:

I was born female and due to hormone treatments now live as male and am much better off for it.

He was born female. He did not just posses female homones, he was actually female. Then he started having hormone treatments and I am assuming had a sex change operation as well and now he is male.

But isn’t his original condition what every gay/lesbian feels? That of feeling to be emotionally a sex different to what one is physically?

 

[TShawn]

Benedictus2,

You assume very wrongly. I have had no operations at this time. It is very cost prohibitive. I’m sure that will gladden your merry heart. Now, you also assume wrongly that every homosexual feels the way I do. It is obvious that you do not know the homosexual person’s condition nor the transexuals. Why should you? It more than likely has little to no bearing in your life and that’s perfectly ok! It doesn’t for most people. Now, if you read my original post, I didn’t condemn what the Pope said or get all “twitterpated” about it. I am merely troubled by it because it affects me. Also, much research has shown that transgendered people’s brains are wired for the opposite sex as opposed to how their bodies are created and while true that it is SIMILAR to that of homosexual persons, it is still but another variant condition altogether. I am not mentally ill or pathogically disturbed. I get up each day and go to work, pay my bills, taxes, and I GO TO CHURCH JUST LIKE YOU!!! I struggle to follow my creator and love Him just as you do. I just wish that while you may disagree with me, that you could be less harsh in your words. You have not walked in my shoes so you cannot judge me! - Tshawn

 

[Other_Eric]

On your own profile page you yourself describe yourself as a lapsed catholic. Why should anyone listen to you interpret what the Pope means when you are not following what the Church teaches?

If you can find something in my stated position here that is at odds with what the Church teaches, I welcome you to point it out. If, however, your entire argument rests on your own assumption about the quality of my faith or my practice of it, then I have little to say to a person who uses his own interior magisterium to define the reality for himself.

 

[Other_Eric]

Benedictus2,

You assume very wrongly. I have had no operations at this time. It is very cost prohibitive. I’m sure that will gladden your merry heart. Now, you also assume wrongly that every homosexual feels the way I do. It is obvious that you do not know the homosexual person’s condition nor the transexuals. Why should you? It more than likely has little to no bearing in your life and that’s perfectly ok! It doesn’t for most people. Now, if you read my original post, I didn’t condemn what the Pope said or get all “twitterpated” about it. I am merely troubled by it because it affects me. Also, much research has shown that transgendered people’s brains are wired for the opposite sex as opposed to how their bodies are created and while true that it is SIMILAR to that of homosexual persons, it is still but another variant condition altogether. I am not mentally ill or pathogically disturbed. I get up each day and go to work, pay my bills, taxes, and I GO TO CHURCH JUST LIKE YOU!!! I struggle to follow my creator and love Him just as you do. I just wish that while you may disagree with me, that you could be less harsh in your words. You have not walked in my shoes so you cannot judge me! - Tshawn

Very well, you are a pre-operative transsexual person. You refer to research that describes how the brains of people such as yourself are “wired differently.” Yet it seems you are making your own assumptions here. Assuming this research is sound, why is the answer to the condition to mutilate the body instead of simply rewire the brain?

Secondly, your aversion to a moral code that might actually apply to you as articulated by the Pope is telling, isn’t it? Instead of seeing morality as an objective reality that it is your duty to conform to, it seems you would rather define what is right and wrong for yourself. Like Eric Cartman, your personal ethic seems to be summed up by the phrase “whatever! I do what I want!” Forgive me for pointing out the abject pride that animates this brand of relativism.

So, you pay your bills and your taxes, go to Church and, I assume, go to work as well. All this is about as relevant to the moral question as the fact that I had a poached egg on toast this morning. I can accept your humanity but also point out that it’s depraved and fallen. Further, I have no need to be able to “walk in your shoes” to be able to identify the disgusting, morally perverse pathology you seem to have fallen prey to.

 

[RobertLGarrett]

Very well, you are a pre-operative transsexual person. You refer to research that describes how the brains of people such as yourself are “wired differently.” Yet it seems you are making your own assumptions here. Assuming this research is sound, why is the answer to the condition to mutilate the body instead of simply rewire the brain?

Secondly, your aversion to a moral code that might actually apply to you as articulated by the Pope is telling, isn’t it? Instead of seeing morality as an objective reality that it is your duty to conform to, it seems you would rather define what is right and wrong for yourself. Like Eric Cartman, your personal ethic seems to be summed up by the phrase “whatever! I do what I want!” Forgive me for pointing out the abject pride that animates this brand of relativism.

So, you pay your bills and your taxes, go to Church and, I assume, go to work as well. All this is about as relevant to the moral question as the fact that I had a poached egg on toast this morning. I can accept your humanity but also point out that it’s depraved and fallen. Further, I have no need to be able to “walk in your shoes” to be able to identify the disgusting, morally perverse pathology you seem to have fallen prey to.

Actually, pathia is intersexed. There is nothing “depraved and fallen” about someone born with XXY or XYX (or whatever combination) chromosomes, if that is what you mean. It isn’t simply a matter of assumption that she is “wired differently.”

I agree that her situation is only tangential to the question of same-sex marriage, but she is as “depraved and fallen” as you and I are.

 

[childofmary1143]

If you can find something in my stated position here that is at odds with what the Church teaches, I welcome you to point it out.

Yes where you described yourself as a lapsed Catholic. Perhaps you don’t know what the word lapsed means:

• to deviate or abandon principles, beliefs, etc.*

dictionary.reference.com/browse/lapsed&fromAsk=true

Since you were the one who described himself as a lapsed Catholic, I don’t have to worry about misrepresentation.

 

[benedictus2]

Benedictus2,

You assume very wrongly. I have had no operations at this time. It is very cost prohibitive. I’m sure that will gladden your merry heart. Now, you also assume wrongly that every homosexual feels the way I do. It is obvious that you do not know the homosexual person’s condition nor the transexuals. Why should you? It more than likely has little to no bearing in your life and that’s perfectly ok! It doesn’t for most people. Now, if you read my original post, I didn’t condemn what the Pope said or get all “twitterpated” about it. I am merely troubled by it because it affects me. Also, much research has shown that transgendered people’s brains are wired for the opposite sex as opposed to how their bodies are created and while true that it is SIMILAR to that of homosexual persons, it is still but another variant condition altogether. I am not mentally ill or pathogically disturbed. I get up each day and go to work, pay my bills, taxes, and I GO TO CHURCH JUST LIKE YOU!!! I struggle to follow my creator and love Him just as you do. I just wish that while you may disagree with me, that you could be less harsh in your words. You have not walked in my shoes so you cannot judge me! - Tshawn

I unreseverdly apologize for being harsh and I ask for pardon for that. You are right I can never ever know the suffering you go through. As I said in my last post I do sincerely feel very much for you and all those who have been born that way.

But I do not think that just because your condition is such, the Church should then change it’s teaching to something that will contradict Holy Scripture and Tradition. The Church has never condemned homosexuals, only the homosexual act. It is the same with other kinds of sexual sins.

I think you rightly put your conditions as a cross that you will have to bear. And it is a cross and a very heavy one at that. Each and everyone of us have been given different crosses to bear, some heavier than others and yours are definitely much heavier than some. But God in His wisdom has allowed it for a reason which at this stage we do not know. The only thing we can do is suffer. I don’t really know, but perhaps this is the way that He is asking you to participate in His Son’s suffering. If we unite our sufferings to His and offer it all up to God, He works wonders with it though we may not know or be aware of the wonders.

Until I fractured my foot and had to be immobile with this heavy plaster on my leg and several times almost tumbling over in my unsteadiness with the crutches, I had no idea what it is like for people with disability. Now I have a tiny glimpse. Because of this, I offer every little discomfort and pain I feel for those who suffer likewise. I am accutely aware of how awful it must be when it gets so itchy underneath the plaster and you cannot do anything about it so I offer my very tiny share of calvary for those who at that moment are being tormented by the itchiness, pain and frustration of being in a plaster cast. God I know is doing something with that offering I just don’t know what. I just need to be humble and trusting enough to leave that all in His hands.

Perhaps this is something that you might want to try as well.

Another thing I’ve learned is, if you are Catholic,during the offertory at Mass, knead your sufferings into the bread and pour all your misery into the wine so that when the Holy Spirit comes to transform the bread and wine into Christ’s Body and Blood during the consecration, so too, you may be transofrmed. If you do this consciously at every Mass, God I am sure will bring healing to you in His time. The Eucharist is a sacrament of transformation.

 

[TShawn]

Other Eric-

The only disgusting, perverse pathology I note here is not myself, it is your lack of charity. You are so quick to judge and rather harshly at that. Do you mock and torment the mentally ill as well? I ask that since it is obvious by your posts that you would consider me mentally ill…very well then, if that is how you feel, then you owe it as a fellow christian to show some charity and kindness. IF YOU CANNOT DO SO, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM ADDRESSING ME!!! I will be very happy to ignore you and you ignore me! It is clear that your mind is made up about me and there is nothing I can do about that. - TShawn

Your ignorance screams out and I write this without intending any hostility. You will never be able to minister truly for Jesus Christ if this is how you address “sinners”. You will only hinder His work and that is more sad than any suffering I bear.

 

[TShawn]

Benedictus2

Thank you for your kind words, and apology definately accepted! I am not asking a single person in this forum to agree with me or to take my position on things. However it is so easy for others to say that “just because you don’t like the rules, don’t complain because we are right, and you are wrong!” in so many words. I only posted here because I wanted to weigh in on what the Pope has recently stated since I’m one of the people he is concerned with. I still have great respect for him and the position he holds is so very serious, I don’t envy him to say the least. It cannot be an easy task to shepherd so many people! While I do have issues concerning Church teaching on sexual morality (and I don’t even have sex!), because I find it doesn’t match my personal experience, I try to be obedient to the best of my ability. I will try your suggestion concerning the Eucharist. I find that idea to be very beautiful indeed. It certainly cannot hurt anything and I have nothing to lose by trying it. So thank you!!! - TShawn

 

[Michael_Francis]

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