Connecticut school shooting: Lawmakers offer prayers amid calls for gun control

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Ender said:
I don’t know where you got your figures but here is the relevant Wiki data:

Murder rates per 100k …Deaths by firearms/100k… Murder by firearm/100k
Japan …0.3 … 0.07 … 0.02
United Kingdom …1.2 … 0.22 … 0.03
Switzerland …0.7 … 6.4 … 0.58
Canada … 1.6 … 4.78 … 0.76
Israel … 2.1 … 1.86 …
Sweden …1.0 … 1.47 …
Germany …0.8 …1.1 …
US … 4.2 …9.0 … 2.98

It is certainly still true that both violence and gun violence are higher in the US than the other countries you mentioned but a little perspective is useful. (If your data is from last year why is there a number for West Germany? That country ceased to exist in 1990)

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Sweden and Israel have very high gun ownership rates.
 
BroomWagon said:
If US has a higher homicide rate, that is largely inner city violence, sad to say.

It wouldn’t help much to make farmers in rural parts of the US give up their guns.
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Believe it or not, there are inner city areas all over the world.
 
aicirt said:
Consider too that fifty years ago, those suspected of having violent tendencies could be committed to a mental hospital by the family.
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True. But then movies like “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” came along and pointed out that that could only make things worse. “The Snake PIt” was another memorable movie.
 
JonahJ said:
Why was Obama crying??? :confused:

After all, he believed a few short years ago that these children had no right to live.

Dear Lord bless and comfort all those genuinely affected by this awful tragedy.
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Guns were involved in the Benqazi attack and he could have done something then but didn’t. He’s warming up for more gun contro and, of course, with the ultimate goal of disarming the citizens.
 
JonahJ said:
Why was Obama crying??? :confused:

After all, he believed a few short years ago that these children had no right to live.
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It might have been acting. He seemed robotic to me. But it’s truly puzzling why on the one hand liberals call child bearing a burden to women comparable to slavery, kill children in the womb without any hesitation while calling it a right, say that morality is relative and changeable, and then all of a sudden act indignant when something like this happens.
 
ProVobis said:
True. But then movies like “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” came along and pointed out that that could only make things worse. “The Snake PIt” was another memorable movie.
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Olivia De Havilland was just amazing in the latter film. It still packs a punch today.
 
Would people here support creating more strict gun laws, if we were able to get a ban on legal abortions after eight weeks gestation?

If we brokered this sort of deal, we could see a reduction of abortions by 300,000 per year!

In both sides, it is a winner, there would be less guns, and less killings through abortion–THAT would be a large step toward being a culture of life. After all, except for hunting, does a true culture of life ever need all these guns?
 
Zeno11 said:
I don’t hold out much hope for the future of the USA when even the Christians think they should be armed.
Can you really picture Jesus Christ with a handgun?!!
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New American Bible Luke 22:36:
He said to them,* “But now one who has a money bag should take it, and likewise a sack, and one who does not have a sword should sell his cloak and buy one.
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The sword was the gun of its day; its not a dual purpose instrument like a knife, which is a weapon and a tool.

The sword is too impractical for fine cutting (can’t see one cutting a steak with a sword), its solely designed as a weapon.

Christ told his people to be armed. We are Christs people. Ergo, we are armed.

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ProVobis said:
True. But then movies like “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” came along and pointed out that that could only make things worse. “The Snake PIt” was another memorable movie.
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Forty years ago things were different. Society has changed especially with the consumption of drugs and the culture of violence dolled out hourly on TV. Today, you can’t commit unless the person acts out and then it is too late. Nor can you force a person to take his medication. This to me is a deal breaker. If he wants to be a threat to society, then he cannot be in society. We got 20 babies dead here.
 
wynnejj said:
Coming to a FPS (first person shooter) video game near you.

What I would like to see is a correlation with mass murder by gun versus the general caliber of entertainment and the general morality of home life. These factors may be more indicative of what is going on in our present society.

I think the reason that so many of these shootings occur in churches and schools is not so much that they are gun-free zones but the fact that these locations represent those centers of teaching that should be making society better to an embittered individual that feels society is NOT meeting his/her needs. This feeling may be accentuated for an individual who lives in a good area, as opposed to an impoverished area, as the perceived misery versus the rest of society may be more pronounced. That is, misery can’t seem to find any company. I think this speaks to general morality.

With all the talk of secession, you know that many are feeling this pull to flip out.
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Schools didn’t become targets mass killers until the 1990s about the time Gun Free School Zones were created along with school Zero Tolerance policies.

The laws were created to keep growing gang violence in nearby neighborhoods at bay. But as ALL ill-conceived liberal acts seem to do… it had unintended consequences. The schools soon become attractive targets for disturbed teens who want to go on an uncontested shooting spree.

I notice you dodged my question: Have you ever heard of a mass shooting at a gun show, gun range, or police station?

Mass murderers may be insane, but they’re not stupid. They look for east targets to do their last act of violence… Expecting criminals or the suicidal to honor laws is just another liberal fantasy.

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Zeno11 said:
I don’t hold out much hope for the future of the USA when even the Christians think they should be armed.
Can you really picture Jesus Christ with a handgun?!!
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Would people here support creating more strict gun laws, if we were able to get a ban on legal abortions after eight weeks gestation?

If we brokered this sort of deal, we could see a reduction of abortions by 300,000 per year!

In both sides, it is a winner. There would be less guns, and less killings through abortion–THAT would be a large step toward being a culture of life. After all, except for hunting, does a true culture of life ever need all these guns?
 
Geist said:
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I did not say ban all guns. But, the left really wants more strict laws–so why can’t we be smart and use that. Are we serious about saving the unborn?

In my suggestion, the left would feel they are giving up some of their freedoms with a more restrictive law regarding abortions, and the right would feel it is giving up some of its freedoms by allowing more strict gun control.

COMPROMISE means each side gives something that is NOT easy to give.
 
irishpatrick said:
Would people here support creating more strict gun laws, if we were able to get a ban on legal abortions after eight weeks gestation?

If we brokered this sort of deal, we could see a reduction of abortions by 300,000 per year!

In both sides, it is a winner, there would be less guns, and less killings through abortion–THAT would be a large step toward being a culture of life. After all, except for hunting, does a true culture of life ever need all these guns?
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You may be onto something there.

States by themselves could pass such an Amendment to the Constitution. And as you pointed out, it would have something for both sides.
 
irishpatrick said:
Would people here support creating more strict gun laws, if we were able to get a ban on legal abortions after eight weeks gestation?

If we brokered this sort of deal, we could see a reduction of abortions by 300,000 per year!

In both sides, it is a winner, there would be less guns, and less killings through abortion–THAT would be a large step toward being a culture of life. After all, except for hunting, does a true culture of life ever need all these guns?
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We Have GUN LAWS**** This school had a buzzer. He broke the glass. Gee, what a surprise. Do you think a lunatic cares about a buzzer when he is out to kill dozens of people? Maybe they should have put up a bigger sign to please use the buzzer. So what makes you think MORE laws would have deterred him?
 
ProVobis said:
You may be onto something there.

States by themselves could pass such an Amendment to the Constitution. And as you pointed out, it would have something for both sides.
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Exactly. I believe a ban on abortions after eights weeks is a huge prolife event…several hundred thousand lives will be saved.

I am personally willing to give-up something to get something that huge. I wonder how many co-called Christians are willing to do the same.

It is time for bold moves that each side will find attractive.
 
JohnVictor said:
I notice you dodged my question: Have you ever heard of a mass shooting at a gun show, gun range, or police station?

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Someone actually posted 4 articles about shootings at a gun range, and I think gun shows might be a possible place to make unregistered transactions.

Can you provide a Gospel message supporting your view?
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aicirt said:
We Have GUN LAWS**** This school had a buzzer. He broke the glass. Gee, what a surprise. Do you think a lunatic cares about a buzzer when he is out to kill dozens of people? Maybe they should have put up a bigger sign to please use the buzzer. So what makes you think MORE laws would have deterred him?
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You are not thinking this through. I agree with what you are saying, and sadly I agree more strict guns laws will not help. We need a foundational shift to change this culture to one that respects all life…buuuut, we cannot get that shift unless we try. We must give something big to get something big!
 
irishpatrick said:
Exactly. I believe a ban on abortions after eights weeks is a huge prolife event…several hundred thousand lives will be saved.

I am personally willing to give-up something to get something that huge. I wonder how many co-called Christians are willing to do the same.

It is time for bold moves that each side will find attractive.
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But until the ‘trade’ we continue operating under two wrongs make a right?..

So called Christians? I see Christians on these forums calling for more control. No one is defining the exact controls, but it is accepted some seek more than what we have now.
 
How would the Pope, or Jesus, respond to my proposal?

Would the Vicar of Christ, and Christ Himself, support fewer guns and less abortions?
 
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