Connecticut school shooting: Lawmakers offer prayers amid calls for gun control

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gmarie21 said:
We gave away some of our freedoms with the Patriot Act and all the laws that followed (now the government can have a “file” on each American without a warrant and without just cause). Sorry, tragedies and sin suck and hurt, but we should never surrender our freedoms for the false sense of security. It always bites humans in the end when they do.
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Yup. The end does not justify the means. Abolishing freedom in the name of safety is simply evil.
 
someperson555 said:
youve got to be kidding, guns should be banned period. public safety is more important than being able to shoot beer cans in your backyard.
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BTW…if you actually are able to, somehow, get rid of the weapons in the country…I give you exhibit A

youtube.com/watch?v=mHAO8oxwioU

All you need is scrap metal, a hacksaw, drill with a drill press and a file.

Two weeks and about $50 to make.

Scary? You betcha. But this is a guy showing this off based on a British guy who developed this design and weapons are banned completely there
 
TimothyH said:
I hope they round up the guns and dump them into the ocean.

I don’t care what argument anyone uses or what anyone thinks of me. I hope they outlaw them, round them up, melt them down and make shopping carts out of them.

-Tim-
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That would only take care of the legelly owned guns, what would you do about the illegelly owned guns?:confused:
 
someperson555 said:
youve got to be kidding, guns should be banned period. public safety is more important than being able to shoot beer cans in your backyard.
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Maybe not banned, but there should be serious gun control. Look at gun control in every developed nation and they all have less gun homicides

Source: Stats Canada
statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2008002/article/10518-eng.htm

In reality, nothing will be done. Nothing was done after Virginia Tech, the Tuscan shooting, the Sikh Temple shooting, or the Aurora shooting.
 
Kelfa28 said:
Guns are not the problem.

Secularism, entitlement, atheism, materialism and other such words are the main issues with this country and it’s violence.
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Your proof of this is? Violence has been around since the beginning of mankind
 
SamH said:
Actually Bush ended his operation when he was president. Fast and Furious was all Obama and Holder. But don’t let anything like the facts disway you.
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Bush didn’t end anything. Fast and Furious was a continuation of gun walking operations under Project Gunrunner that began under the Bush Administration and was put to an end under the Obama Administration.
Kelfa28 said:
The question was “THOSE” kinds of laws, as in the laws that they have in Mexico. In order to affect gun laws that are on par with those of Mexico, it would require door to door raids and the threatened imprisonment of tens of millions of people in this country.
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I don’t have any objections to using the Patriot Act to send the National Guard into the inner cities of this country to put an end to gang related drug and gun trafficking. They’re domestic terrorists and should be treated as such.
scipio337 said:
So now you’ve jumped from “stronger response to illegal gun ownership and sales, charges of domestic terrorism…” to “ban all guns”. Pretty easy jump, isn’t it?
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I didn’t make that leap. I agreed that the right to life trumps the right to shoot beer cans. 😉
 
gmarie21 said:
We gave away some of our freedoms with the Patriot Act and all the laws that followed (now the government can have a “file” on each American without a warrant and without just cause). Sorry, tragedies and sin suck and hurt, but we should never surrender our freedoms for the false sense of security. It always bites humans in the end when they do.
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why cant you libertarians make a distinction between corrupt government and good government? government restrictions are not bad in themselves, they are only bad depending what is being restricted. remember, it was the republicans who introduced the patriot act.

true freedom is impossible. our faiith is submission to God, so you should kiss the idea of 'freedom" goodbye. true freedom is not even desirable, its much better to live in a morally responsible society than an anarcho-libertarian mad max style society.
 
someperson555 said:
why cant you libertarians make a distinction between corrupt government and good government? government restrictions are not bad in themselves, they are only bad depending what is being restricted. remember, it was the republicans who introduced the patriot act.

true freedom is impossible. our faiith is submission to God, so you should kiss the idea of 'freedom" goodbye. true freedom is not even desirable, its much better to live in a morally responsible society than an anarcho-libertarian mad max style society.
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:rolleyes:
 
Bill_Martin said:
Laws prohibiting the behavior that is the problem are necessary. Laws that prohibit objects and place silly levels of bureaucratic red tape onto the folks who choose to follow them with the expectation that they will stop behavior are useless. People have been killing each other long before guns existed.
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Gift_from_God said:
Maybe not banned, but there should be serious gun control. Look at gun control in every developed nation and they all have less gun homicides

Source: Stats Canada
statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2008002/article/10518-eng.htm

In reality, nothing will be done. Nothing was done after Virginia Tech, the Tuscan shooting, the Sikh Temple shooting, or the Aurora shooting.
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None of those other countries have a Constitution which guarantees a right to own guns. Strict gun laws would never last without a Constitutional change and that will never happen. 🤷
 
someperson555 said:
youve got to be kidding, guns should be banned period. public safety is more important than being able to shoot beer cans in your backyard.
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If you go down that route how you can disagree that baseball buts, the number 1 weapon used for violent crime should be banned in the name of public safety or motor vehicles which kill more annually than guns?

Do you think Obama can rescind the 2nd amendment? No. There is no way you can ban guns

Catholic teaching supports owning a gun for protection and so does not the 2nd amendment
 
Bill_Martin said:
I certainly hope nothing is done.
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Then there will just be more shootings. The gun culture has brought more violence, not safety. Where’s the massive shootings in Australia, or England, or Canada? Nothing like what has transpired in the United States happens in these countries. Look at the source I provided
 
How about talking about the real solution here and ban public schools and maybe movie theaters too?
 
Gift_from_God said:
Then there will just be more shootings. The gun culture has brought more violence, not safety. Where’s the massive shootings in Australia, or England, or Canada? Nothing like what has transpired in the United States happens in these countries. Look at the source I provided
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False. More people own guns than ever before and the overall crime rate has gone down.
 
Dawnia said:
None of those other countries have a Constitution which guarantees a right to own guns. Strict gun laws would never last without a Constitutional change and that will never happen. 🤷
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Your Constitution says well regulated militia. Gun control can exist and it works. That’s a proven fact
 
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