Connecticut school shooting: Lawmakers offer prayers amid calls for gun control

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Kelfa28 said:
The only way to peaceably disarm America is make it attractive. Offer $100,000 for every AR-15 turned in. And $50,000 for every handgun. It would be cheaper than buying our own treasury bonds every month like the Fed does. It would stimulate spending and bring back the economy…maybe
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I can just see it now…someone turns in one and goes and buys several more to also turn them in. You could have a nice business going.😉
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
The fact that such crimes happen everywhere is not in dispute, however, the frequency of those crimes is greater in nations such as ours with rampant and practically unimpeded gun ownership.
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We have a massive number of people compared to Norway. Of course it will happen more.
 
Japan has a complete ban on guns and it has one of the lowest crime rates in the entire world.
 
someperson555 said:
that is a lie. you cant just go on assuming what the catholic church allows. if you would do a little research youll find that the church has supported gun control laws. sorry, the church isnt the mouthpiece of the republican party, its the mouthpiece of God.
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Page 144, Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, ‘The International Arms Trade: an Ethical Reflection’ in Origins 8 (24), 7 July 1994
… the right of legitimate defence by means of arms exists. This right can become a serious duty for those who are responsible for the lives of others, for the common good of the family or of the civil community. This right alone can justify the possession or transfer of arms
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2263 - 2265 and 2268 - 2269 Catechism of the Catholic Church
The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. “The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one’s own life; and the killing of the aggressor… The one is intended, the other is not.”
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Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:
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If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful… Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one’s own life than of another’s.
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Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.
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The fifth commandment forbids direct and intentional killing as gravely sinful. The murderer and those who cooperate voluntarily in murder commit a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance.
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The fifth commandment forbids doing anything with the intention of indirectly bringing about a person’s death. The moral law prohibits exposing someone to mortal danger without grave reason, as well as refusing assistance to a person in danger.
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someperson555 said:
Japan has a complete ban on guns and it has one of the lowest crime rates in the entire world.
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Irrelevant. They have a very different culture. The criminals there don’t even target tourists because it will make their country look bad.
 
someperson555 said:
ugh, please not the old black market argument. thats no excuse to tolerate evil. thats basically surrendering to evil. the fact is that gangmembers would still be no match for for law enforcment and those shabby weapons would still not pose as great a threat to the public as real semi automatic weapons.
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Fully automatic weapons are not as good as semi automatics you say?. I admit the lack of rifling is a bit problematic but gang bangers don’t aim anyways. How are good men being armed evil? Good men armed are the last resort against evil. As the economy gets worse and police forces are being cut, I don’t think leaving families unarmed is the way to go
 
Bill_Martin said:
Do you think weapons will just jump up and attack people? It’s the people, not the object that are the real threat.
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yeah, so then why not legalize private ownership of tanks and grenade launchers? and hey while we are at it lets legalize heroin too! naw, the streets totally wouldnt be like grand theft auto in a day.
 
someperson555 said:
yeah, so then why not legalize private ownership of tanks and grenade launchers? and hey while we are at it lets legalize heroin too! naw, the streets totally wouldnt be like grand theft auto in a day.
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Tanks and grenade launches are perfectly legal in many states.
 
someperson555 said:
yeah, so then why not legalize private ownership of tanks and grenade launchers? and hey while we are at it lets legalize heroin too! naw, the streets totally wouldnt be like grand theft auto in a day.
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ugh please not the whole legalize heavy ordnance argument again. These weapons are crew served and not useful for personal defense.
 
Kelfa28 said:
Fully automatic weapons are not as good as semi automatics you say?. I admit the lack of rifling is a bit problematic but gang bangers don’t aim anyways. How are good men being armed evil? Good men armed are the last resort against evil. As the economy gets worse and police forces are being cut, I don’t think leaving families unarmed is the way to go
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yes, because we all know how safe the streets were in the wild west. and i ask you again, nam e atime that mass shooter was thwarted by individual gun owners.
 
Bill_Martin said:
Irrelevant. They have a very different culture. The criminals there don’t even target tourists because it will make their country look bad.
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yeah because criminals totally care about the image of their nation…WHAT???
 
someperson555 said:
Japan has a complete ban on guns and it has one of the lowest crime rates in the entire world.
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And Chicago and DC have high gun restrictions, but higher murder rates than Alaska. Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica all have very strict gun laws, but have some of the highest murder rates in the world.

It’s cultural and economic, NOT the guns!! 80 MILLION gun owners today DIDN’T commit a crime!
 
Bill_Martin said:
Do you think weapons will just jump up and attack people? It’s the people, not the object that are the real threat.
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So you take no issue with the fact that an unemployed medical student can buy military grade ballistic gear, two Glocks, a shotgun, an assault riffle, and six thousand rounds of ammunition without anyone so much as batting an eyelash?
 
someperson555 said:
yes, because we all know how safe the streets were in the wild west. and i ask you again, nam e atime that mass shooter was thwarted by individual gun owners.
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You don’t see mass shooting s when the shooter is thwarted. :rolleyes:
 
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