Conservatives call on GOP leaders to step down

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livnlern said:
Really? What’s your source for this? Women have ALWAYS chosen abortion? I don’t think so. Don’t presume to know how women think.
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I did not mean to imply that all women abort but that abortion has been with us over the ages.

Source? Try Hippocrates.
 
seekerz said:
I did not mean to imply that all women abort but that abortion has been with us over the ages.

Source? Try Hippocrates.
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Seekerz, there are plenty of religions that are lenient on abortion if this is what you find so important.
 
seekerz said:
Women have always, in varying numbers, chosen abortion as a way to avoid difficulties in their lives.
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And making it illegal would be a great beginning to help them re-think those decisions.
seekerz said:
Making it more accessible has taken some of the fear and stress away…
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And you voted for the man who loves to fund the abortion mills that help to make it more accessible.
seekerz said:
but to suggest that they do it simply because it’s available?
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Available, more accessible, and legal.
seekerz said:
Women are NOT mindless robots - they may make bad choices with regard to a pregnancy;
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Who said that women were mindless robots? Sometimes decisions are made on the spur of the moment while caught in a passion. If it were illegal, our mothers would be able to step back and take a long look at other viable options.
 
Mickey said:
And making it illegal would be a great beginning to help them re-think those decisions.
And you voted for the man who loves to fund the abortion mills that help to make it more accessible.
Available, more accessible, and legal.
Who said that women were mindless robots? Sometimes decisions are made on the spur of the moment while caught in a passion. If it were illegal, our mothers would be able to step back and take a long look at other viable options.
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That’s your opinion and I respect it. Any reason you can’t respect that I see things differently? I have seen women make abortion decisions in places where it is illegal. It’s not simply an opinion I pull out of thin air.
 
seekerz said:
I did not mean to imply that all women abort but that abortion has been with us over the ages.

Source? Try Hippocrates.
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I found this on the Hippocratic Oath:

"I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath
 
seekerz said:
More’s the pity. The direct path to socialized medicine would have been my preference too, but our health care system is too complex to make that transition in too short a time I think. I find it laughable that socialized medicine is supposed to be some dark, sinister force when American taxpayers have helped support it in many countries around the world for decades. But then, who can understand the ways of man…?
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What you’re affirming then, is that Obamacare is a strategem to ultimately foist socialized medicine on a country that doesn’t want it and never has. “The worse the better” right?

It’s possible, of course, that the window to socialism may be narrower than some suppose. As good as the left is at controlling perceptions, the whole strategy may fall apart if the people associate Obamacare’s failures with government control of medicine.
 
livnlern said:
I found this on the Hippocratic Oath:

"I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath
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Yes, that was what I was referring to. It is clear from the oath that abortion was not an unknown phenomenon. Swearing not to provide a pessary, means that you know it is practiced by some.
 
seekerz said:
That’s your opinion and I respect it. Any reason you can’t respect that I see things differently? I have seen women make abortion decisions in places where it is illegal. It’s not simply an opinion I pull out of thin air.
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Why should pro-life supporters respect an “opinion” that says it’s okay to kill an unborn baby? I have no respect for that.
And just because women have abortions “in places where it is illegal” doesn’t make the decision a right or moral one and doesn’t make those women heroic by any means.
 
seekerz said:
Yes, that was what I was referring to. It is clear from the oath that abortion was not an unknown phenomenon. Swearing not to provide a pessary, means that you know it is practiced by some.
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And yet even Hippocrates, who was obviously a pagan, saw that there was something wrong with aiding in an abortion.
 
Ridgerunner said:
What you’re affirming then, is that Obamacare is a strategem to ultimately foist socialized medicine on a country that doesn’t want it and never has. “The worse the better” right?

It’s possible, of course, that the window to socialism may be narrower than some suppose. As good as the left is at controlling perceptions, the whole strategy may fall apart if the people associate Obamacare’s failures with government control of medicine.
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Socialized health care is not “the worse the better” and it is not a political ideology. It is an affirmation that all human lives are equally valuable, by aiming for all people to have access to health care.

One would think that the respect for life message would be welcomed, as a prelude to extending that to the very earliest stages of life. What a more wonderful way to teach respect for life than to champion it?
 
livnlern said:
Why should pro-life supporters respect an “opinion” that says it’s okay to kill an unborn baby? I have no respect for that.
And just because women have abortions “in places where it is illegal” doesn’t make the decision a right or moral one and doesn’t make those women heroic by any means.
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Show me a single place I have said that it’s okay to kill the unborn.

The relevance of what happens in places where abortion is illegal, is as an example of what the law by itself, without the necessary support base in society, can achieve.
 
Okay, this thread is “Conservatives call on GOP leaders to step down”, saw Brent Bozell doing this, he runs Newsbusters I believe.

But the truth on abortion is that in this case, Obama and many of his fellow Democrats, not all hopefully, are pushing this as an agenda, it’s way beyond a “woman’s right to choose” so many have these blinders on that justifies their actions, individual choice.

Planned Parenthood is a million dollar if not billion dollars a year revenue maker, they give out birth control pills and contraceptives

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Okay, then why do their abortions grow every year???

It may be presented as a woman’s right but no doubt, this is about a big revenue maker, an organization the government grants millions too, I think $ 500 million dollars in one year.

And their purposes, Planned Parenthood appears to be totally ineffective.

So this isn’t about just “a woman’s right to choose”, this is about funding this thing, expanding it.
 
seekerz said:
Women are NOT mindless robots - they may make bad choices with regard to a pregnancy; that does not mean they have not thought through the matter.
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This proposition really doesn’t work. Women can choose not to have sex outside marriage. They can choose not to have “unprotected sex” in marriage or out, if one affirms that as a choice. And yet, manifestly a great number do, as you say, make bad choices. But suddenly, as you are saying, they make thoughtful choices, even though the stress and anxiety levels cannot be anything but greater. It is known that choosing abortion is often strongly influenced by third parties…by boyfriends, family, etc. And, of course, some who influenced the initial bad decision, and have an interest in influencing the next decision, because of the consequences to them, not to the pregnant woman.

And we’re to believe abortion is somehow not also a “bad choice”?

But it’s legal, and so boyfriends, families, friends, and those who propagandize it as merely a harmless “choice” have a powerful means of influencing the outcome; a means that would not be there, or at least not so readily, but for its being available on demand. Even some limitations on abortion could effect better choices. But there are none.
 
seekerz said:
Right again. 🙂
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Okay, so we’re agreed on that!
Then explain to me why, thousands of years later, the liberal side of our country is unable to understand that abortion is evil and that those of us who oppose abortion (especially Catholics) should have to go along with the HHS mandate?
 
seekerz said:
Show me a single place I have said that it’s okay to kill the unborn.

The relevance of what happens in places where abortion is illegal, is as an example of what the law by itself, without the necessary support base in society, can achieve.
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And yet you support Obama, who’s administration supports abortion.
 
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