Convince Me The Biblical Version is Fact

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So I’ll just reiterate:
You have bigger spiritual matters of concern if you’re thinking of walking away from Jesus Christ himself to adhere to what these people think.
 
You honestly would walk away from the Church? That’s what I just heard you say. I will pray for you, of course, but that’s one big (and, in my humble opinion, wrong) step.
 
Cor_ad_Cor said:
So I’ll just reiterate:
You have bigger spiritual matters of concern if you’re thinking of walking away from Jesus Christ himself to adhere to what these people think.
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You’re free to have that opinion.
 
PyongPing said:
What do you think of this presentation?
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I thought that Hovind seemed like a fundamentalist and not well educated. After Googling him I found that yes, he is a fundamentalist and the education he received is, IMO, questionable.
 
PyongPing said:
I was simply asking you to consider the material, not the man.
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I only watched parts of the videos. I’m looking for information from intelligent, well educated people like scientists. Not a fundamentalist with questionable education.
 
Hope1960 said:
I care because I’ve been thinking ahead. If I do visit there and if I like it, I’d have to adhere to their beliefs.
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To me, such feelings speak to more than just whether evolution or six-day creation is true. (Especially given that both views are perfectly okay within the Church.) I’d like to ask what other points are making you consider leaving the Catholic Church.
 
Hope1960, today’s well educated, intelligent scientists are now becoming proponents od elegant evolution. This has become a more accepted trend since around the '60 or so, They see how elegantly and beautifully the universe and all that lies beyond the stars we know was perhaps evolving over the eons. And just as God has no limits in ‘being’ the ‘Void’ is also without limits-just isn’t filled yet, but ever expanding.

We, as God’s people and His creations ARE limited in our understanding of how this has been brought about and that is a good thing because if we knew everything we would be god-like with a little g. That might not work out too well. Lucifer tried it and look where he wound up.
What I am trying to convey is that we do not understand everything and really don’t need to. Thus we rely on faith. Either we have faith or we don’t, but perhaps strive to find faith. I am sorry that I am not more clear in my thought, but yes, my brain is limited.

It’s OK to search and check into other facets of ‘religion’ but never forget ‘The One True Church’ from all the many factions have sprung forth. Don’t leave home without knowing that Mother Church will ‘always leave the light on for you.’
 
WHICH “Genesis version”. The book of Genesis contains two different stories of creation.

Let’s start there, which one do you want to be proven?
 
mVitus said:
To me, such feelings speak to more than just whether evolution or six-day creation is true. (Especially given that both views are perfectly okay within the Church.) I’d like to ask what other points are making you consider leaving the Catholic Church.
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The priest scandal, plus, this church I’ve been considering is a lively church with modern music.
 
TheLittleLady said:
WHICH “Genesis version”. The book of Genesis contains two different stories of creation.

Let’s start there, which one do you want to be proven?
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Either. But mainly I think about whether Adam and Eve are our first parents; if they were real, historical people.
Then, if so, how did they come to be IF Evolution is a fact? If we evolved, where did Adam and Eve come in?

I’m wondering if we didn’t evolve, then I’d want it proven that Adam and Eve just miraculously appeared and how this occurred in light of so much evidence for Evolution.

I hope I’m articulating this well enough.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Chances are this non-denominational congregation also holds many beliefs that are contrary to the Faith.
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Probably. And I was thinking about this church last night and how, for instance, if I wanted to pray there in the middle of the day (outside of worship), assuming their doors are open.
If I were to pray there, there would be no Crucifix, no Tabernacle, no Eucharist. I thought it would lack the comforting feeling of being in the presence of the Lord, and be just a shell of a building
Still, I’m thinking about maybe visiting.
 
Hope1960 said:
The priest scandal,
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I empathize with you there. It’s hard to know what’s gone on and not wonder if such men could actually be priests in Christ’s Church.

Here’s how I look at. First, I know that the Church is fixing the problem. Screening for seminaries is tougher. Practices have changed. The bishops have taken efforts to make sure it doesn’t happen. I also know it’s not an issue isolated to the Church and that it’s every in both religious and secular institutions. I also know that God can use sinful men for His purposes. Peter denied Christ three times. St. Paul was a persecuter of Christians. Plus the Pharisees, as much as Jesus called them hypocrites and everything, He still told people to listen to their teachings when they took the Chair of Moses, even if the way they practiced was not to be imitated. Finally, if Catholicism isn’t right, then who else has apostolic succession going from 33 AD and onwards? The priest scandal is awful and I know how it can cause doubts, but please don’t keave the Church.
Hope1960 said:
plus, this church I’ve been considering is a lively church with modern music.
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Music is nice and if the community is vibrant, I can get why you want that. Just remember that at Mass, we receive the Eucharist, Christ’s Body and Blood. Maybe it’d be possible for you to get involved with the music ministry at your parish to get better music. Or perhaps there’s another parish nearby more to your personal tastes?
Hope1960 said:
Then, if so, how did they come to be IF Evolution is a fact? If we evolved, where did Adam and Eve come in?
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Souls don’t evolve, but bodies can. So if we imagine a proto-human, 99.99999999% like a human physically and with an animal soul that gives birth to Adam, who has an immortal soul given to him by God, that’s how I personally think of the birth of the first true human. As for when, I personally think it’d be around the earliest archaeological evidence of religion. (I can’t rmember when that was and the last time I looked it up, I found zilch.)
 
Why why why are you toying with the idea of joining non-denominational church?
 
mVitus said:
Here’s how I look at. First, I know that the Church is fixing the problem. Screening for seminaries is tougher. Practices have changed. The bishops have taken efforts to make sure it doesn’t happen. I also know it’s not an issue isolated to the Church and that it’s every in both religious and secular institutions. I also know that God can use sinful men for His purposes. Peter denied Christ three times. St. Paul was a persecuter of Christians. Plus the Pharisees, as much as Jesus called them hypocrites and everything, He still told people to listen to their teachings when they took the Chair of Moses, even if the way they practiced was not to be imitated. Finally, if Catholicism isn’t right, then who else has apostolic succession going from 33 AD and onwards? The priest scandal is awful and I know how it can cause doubts, but please don’t keave the Church.
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Despite people saying otherwise on CAF, I have to wonder about the validity of the Sacraments, if given by a bad priest.

I wonder just what percentage of priests are good, Holy, chaste men. (Someone posted it, but I forget the number now)
mVitus said:
Souls don’t evolve, but bodies can. So if we imagine a proto-human, 99.99999999% like a human physically and with an animal soul that gives birth to Adam, who has an immortal soul given to him by God, that’s how I personally think of the birth of the first true human. As for when, I personally think it’d be around the earliest archaeological evidence of religion. (I can’t rmember when that was and the last time I looked it up, I found zilch.)
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I’ve always thought that this makes the most sense, and know that theory is perfectly fine for Catholics to believe and, unless I’m wrong about this other church, this is against their beliefs.

I went there to Celebrate Recovery for awhile, a couple years ago, and the woman who led our group is a divorced and remarried former Catholic. I think she said that she ended up at this non-denominational Church because she was a divorced, remarried Catholic. I do remember her being teary when talking about missing the Eucharist.
 
I dont know what to say. The Catholic Church isnt just another denomination. Its Jesus Christ’s church that he spoke to Peter about in the bible. It has the fullness of truth and beauty and opportunity. & The actual, literal, body and blood of Christ himself! And confession!! There are wolves in our midst. Sinners of every kind everywhere. But the Church is not the evil some people commit. Or the evil we all commit

To give away 90% of Christianity and all it has to offer you because bad people do horrible things… Its so heartbreaking. Its so so sad!

Please pray!
 
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