Convince Me The Biblical Version is Fact

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Adam and Eve are the names that we have given to the first to homo sapiens sapiens who were given a soul in the image of God. Again, I believe they lived along side of Neanderthal, that is a pretty well accepted scientific hypothesis.

So, evolution evolution evolution, Hominina, various species, then Homo Sapiens Sapiens reached a point where God decided that two of them would be ensouled with a soul that was different than an animal soul. A higher soul, one in the image and likeness of God.

Their offspring all had the same sort of soul and the other species slowly died out. Now, all we have are Homo Sapiens Sapiens with the same rational soul as you and I and Adam and Eve.
 
Like every other post about Adam and Eve on CAF, many Catholics subscribe to the “miracle” of two pre-human “hominins” getting zapped with souls by God, but somehow cannot allow God the miracle of directly creating Adam and Eve directly as described in Genesis. So apparently God was able to create the entire universe from nothing, but could not create Adam in an instant. Did Jesus have to pick grapes and barrel them, and let them age for many years to create the finest wine that was enjoyed at Cana? Nope, He did it in an instant.
 
bobperk said:
So apparently God was able to create the entire universe from nothing, but could not create Adam in an instant.
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Let’s be clear. We that accept evolution would not say He could not, but that He did not. Big differences.

And on the flip side, are you saying that He could not have used evolution? That such a thing is impossible for Him? Or just that He did not? The sword cuts both ways.
 
The “God created Adam and Eve using evolution, and it is a miracle” is a cop-out, since naturalists and atheists take the same view and just leave God out of it. Either way, human beings are just the products of millions of years of evolution.

So yes, I am saying He “did not” use evolution to create man and woman in His image. Various passages of Scripture and 19 centuries of Church teaching consistently held this view.
 
Hope1960 said:
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TheLittleLady:
My guess is that you have not read “HUMANI GENERIS”

Start there.

It is not either/or.

It is dogma that we all come from original parents. The methods that God used in creation, including these two original parents and the homo sapiens who came before them is a matter that has not been dogmatically defined.

God could have created everything from nothing in 7 literal days, He could have used billions of years, we are free to believe either hypothesis.
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I’ve read most of it before but I do lean toward believing in Evolution and wonder how Adam and Eve can fit in with that.
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Nothing just shows up from nothing. Everything , everyone that exists was crated. creation ALL had a creator. When science tries to say otherwise one can be sure that is NOT science. It is “faith” in science which is not science.
 
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bobperk said:
So yes, I am saying He “did not” use evolution to create man and woman in His image. Various passages of Scripture and 19 centuries of Church teaching consistently held this view.
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I respectfully disagree.
 
Call me crazy. But the older I get. The more I believe it happened just as it was written. Especially after my last big break up. I can’t convince you. That is something you’ll have to discover for yourself.(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

And I’m not saying evolution isn’t real. But I highly doubt the reality of it is what we are taught in class.

Furthermore… any science we have today. Is still after the Fall of Man and loss of paradise. Which probably affected reality in a much more radical way we typically think in this subject.

It’s a mystery.
 
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As modern humans, the best we can do is to apply common sense and go with probabilities. If we think that a talking snake is probable or likely, then the door is open to a literal understanding of Genesis. If we are compelled to think that giants once roamed the earth and donkeys talked or that people lived many hundreds of years, then we need to be asking ourselves a few questions about why we believe such things to be true.
 
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Hope1960 said:
I’ve been sort of struggling with the idea of whether the first humans were Adam and Eve vs Evolution. From what I’ve researched online, very few highly educated people, (scientists etc.) agree with the Biblical version of the origin of life or the origin of species and agree with Evolution.

To those who subscribe to the Biblical explanation, please convince me Evolution is false and Genesis is literal.
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One giant false dichotomy.

It’s like asking if you believe in prayer or medicine.
 
So what position do you take? That two pre-humans were given souls by God?
 
OsculeturMeOsculo said:
Evolution is an acceptable belief in Catholicism.
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This demands a better explanation.

I assume you mean “evolution and creationism can be compatible”… ???

You realize that some evolution theories do not recognize the Creator? And probably the most popular one.
 
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Hope1960 said:
I’ve always believed we came to be by Evolution but, like I said upthread, this non-denominational Church I’ve been thinking about visiting doesn’t.
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What is it that makes you think they know more about evolution than scientists do?
 
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Hope1960:
I’ve always believed we came to be by Evolution but, like I said upthread, this non-denominational Church I’ve been thinking about visiting doesn’t.
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What is it that makes you think they know more about evolution than scientists do?
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That non-denominal Church is correct. We came to be by being created by God.
 
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rcwitness said:
So it is important to specify what exactly is acceptable about evolution and what is not.
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“Acceptable” isn’t an issue in science. Evidence is, not what “some” people may say.
You can deny the science all you want. Doesn’t change anything.
 
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