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mary_bobo said:
Why make a snide remark. Being the good liberal that he is, Dershowitz said what he believed to be true. He did not advocate that Cruz be elected president. Don’t you think Republicans can be intelligent?
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Of course I believe Republicans can be smart. I think John Kasich, Rand Paul, and even Mitch Mcconell (though in his case it’s not a good thing are highy intelligent, for example. I would just like some evidence that Ted Cruz is anything more than a fundamentalist tea-partyer.
 
DeusExMachina said:
Of course I believe Republicans can be smart. I think John Kasich, Rand Paul, and even Mitch Mcconell (though in his case it’s not a good thing are highy intelligent, for example. I would just like some evidence that Ted Cruz is anything more than a fundamentalist tea-partyer.
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Fair enough. But it takes an intelligent and skilled attorney to argue cases before the SC nine times. Perhaps you don’t like the fact that he is a strict constitutionalist. Most liberals would not. They find every opportunity to bend and twist the wording to find meanings there that the authors did not suggest. That document has held this country in good stead for more than 200 years. And while I am not a member of any of the many Tea Party groups, I do agree with their original intention–Taxed Enough Already.
 
DeusExMachina said:
Of course I believe Republicans can be smart. I think John Kasich, Rand Paul, and even Mitch Mcconell (though in his case it’s not a good thing are highy intelligent, for example. I would just like some evidence that Ted Cruz is anything more than a fundamentalist tea-partyer.
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Well, I’ll defend Ted Cruz on possessing intelligence until the cows come home. I’ll give him cunning, fortitude, craftiness, perseverance, ambition. I respect him, even like him, a little bit.

What I am realizing is how much he alienates so much of the mainstream electorate, especially moderates, independents. The GOP needs to build a broad coalition of voters. What happens to Cruz next Tuesday is critical. If he can make a good showing in Pennsylvania or Maryland, I say there is hope for him. It would be very good news indeed if the New York wipe out was just that - Trump’s home state, liberal GOP on social issues, etc. (Problem is that is about 40% of the party these days…Cruz alienates them as much as he does the Dems and Independents.)
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Let’s see what you have to say after next Tuesday.
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Oh you’ll see what I have to say alright!

:cool:

But seriously, just to be clear, we’re talking about whether Trump can win the general, right? Because if we were instead discussing whether he’ll win the primary, then I agree with most people that there is a chance of that. (Of course I wonder what’s even the point of that if he cannot win the general?)
 
Peter_J said:
Oh you’ll see what I have to say alright!

:cool:

But seriously, just to be clear, we’re talking about whether Trump can win the general, right? Because if we were instead discussing whether he’ll win the primary, then I agree with most people that there is a chance of that. (Of course I wonder what’s even the point of that if he cannot win the general?)
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Polls show that neither Trump or Cruz can win the general. Sadly, that does not seem to have any effect on their voters. I am sadly afraid we will end up with Hillary and I pray for the country. She is no moderate.
 
Peter_J said:
Oh you’ll see what I have to say alright!

:cool:

But seriously, just to be clear, we’re talking about whether Trump can win the general, right? Because if we were instead discussing whether he’ll win the primary, then I agree with most people that there is a chance of that. (Of course I wonder what’s even the point of that if he cannot win the general?)
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I cannot make up my mind if Trump can win or not. I think the fact that he is a liberal Republican with support from the moderate GOPers in the NE (everywhere really) and the “angry grassroots” base (i.e., the New York Islander/Duck Dynasty fans) bodes well. Let’s call this the “winner” angle. But then you have to try and picture the VP, the cabinet, running the country, dealing with the world, etc., and it all falls apart. Or you stumble onto a speech running on TV, same result.

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mary_bobo said:
Polls show that neither Trump or Cruz can win the general. Sadly, that does not seem to have any effect on their voters. I am sadly afraid we will end up with Hillary and I pray for the country. She is no moderate.
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Cruz is no moderate, either. He’s more extreme than Hillary, but in a different direction.
 
mary_bobo said:
Polls show that neither Trump or Cruz can win the general. Sadly, that does not seem to have any effect on their voters. I am sadly afraid we will end up with Hillary and I pray for the country. She is no moderate.
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I think you are right. We need to go with Kasich.
 
Private polls reveal a Trump-Cruz Indiana dogfight
Three different groups, not affiliated with the presidential campaigns, that have surveyed the state recently provided results to POLITICO on condition that they be shared anonymously.
One survey, completed on April 12, had Ted Cruz and Donald Trump in a statistical tie: 32 percent to 32 percent, with John Kasich, governor of neighboring Ohio, a distant third, with 14 percent.
A second survey also had Trump and Cruz tied, but that was a change from three weeks earlier, when Cruz had led outside the margin of error.
A third survey, from last week, had Trump ahead of Cruz, outside the margin of error.
While private polls are to be treated with caution, the lack of public data in Indiana makes sharing the findings worthwhile, especially given the state’s coveted status.
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Read more: politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/trump-cruz-indiana-primary-polls-222287#ixzz46UrTwB3X
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Article regarding Hugh Hewitt on MSNBC:
Another thing Hewitt mentioned was Trump’s statement that he wants to change the Republican Party platform on the life issue, which drew the ire of major players in Indiana–a hardcore pro-life state. Hewitt added that these missteps could cost him, even though Trump remains the frontrunner, and that there is a path to 1,237 for Trump.
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m.townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/04/21/hugh-hewitt-trump-wont-get-1237-delegates-unless-political-asteroid-hits-california-n2152138
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Let’s see what you have to say after next Tuesday. I predict Trump wins all states. As I stated before, he has a very good chance to clinch the nomination outright, before we even get to the convention, or on the first ballot. What is the response of the anti-Trump right to that scenario? Have you thought about it? Seriously. (no, of course not, because the Cruz crusade is taking up all the oxygen - too bad it is a nonstarter)

I caught a glimpse of a Trump speech on TV last night - had my normal cringe/switch channel ASAP reflex (cannot get through 3 sentences; it is such embarrassing nonsense; I am not watching him at all, so a bit in the dark there). It made me question my new position a little bit, no doubt. Would enough talent and experience in the GOP be willing to associate themselves with Trump in order to build an administration. I wouldn’t do it. Why do I expect them to.

:hypno:

So, dead end either way.

Kasich - he is our last hope; this could well be my new argument; am thinking it over. At least he is electable. (can you imagine the irony if this is what happens?)

:doh2:

I am still voting for Cruz in my primary. I think the Tuesday Eastern state voters out there should vote Cruz too.
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Cruz might win Nebraska. Lots of Evangelicals there. He also might, might win Indiana. That’s a winner-take-all state. If Cruz wins Indiana, it will make it impossible for Trump to win the delegates needed for nomination, I think. And if Trump doesn’t go to the convention with the needed delegates, he sure won’t win on the second ballot. Cruz would have a better chance. Just my opinion, of course. No one knows a lot about Indiana because they don’t conduct polls.
 
mary_bobo said:
Fair enough. But it takes an intelligent and skilled attorney to argue cases before the SC nine times. Perhaps you don’t like the fact that he is a strict constitutionalist. Most liberals would not. They find every opportunity to bend and twist the wording to find meanings there that the authors did not suggest. That document has held this country in good stead for more than 200 years. And while I am not a member of any of the many Tea Party groups, I do agree with their original intention–Taxed Enough Already.
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Thats just it. I’m not your average liberal, I’m a left-leaning libertarian. Ted Cruz can be something of a neo-con once in a while, which I’m really not comfortable with.
 
mary_bobo said:
Polls show that neither Trump or Cruz can win the general. Sadly, that does not seem to have any effect on their voters. I am sadly afraid we will end up with Hillary and I pray for the country. She is no moderate.
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Compared to Cruz, Hillary is no moderate; but neither is virtually anyone else. Compared to Trump, she is somewhat more liberal, but not very much so. Compared to Sanders, she is quite moderate. Everything is relative, politically speaking.
 
Poll for Wisconsin:
What if the candidates were Republican Ted Cruz and Democrat Hillary Clinton, for whom would you vote? [ROTATE:]
Ted Cruz…44% Hillary Clinton …45% Other (VOL)…8% Not Sure … 4%
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snc.edu/sri/docs/2016/201604wissurvey.pdf

Clinton is beating Trump by 12 points in that poll and the number of “other” and “Not sure” is higher than with Cruz and Clinton.

Based on national polls I’ve seen and now this state poll, Clinton is polling worse against Cruz and Trump than Sanders against Cruz or Trump. So who is easier to beat for the Republicans? Based on the polls, it’s Clinton. But Trump is polling badly against her in this Wisconsin poll.

All this talk about Cruz being too socially conservative or unelectable, well at this point he’s not polling badly against Clinton. Clinton is leading Cruz by 2.3 average on Real clear politics: realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_cruz_vs_clinton-4034.html
 
_Abyssinia said:
Poll for Wisconsin:

snc.edu/sri/docs/2016/201604wissurvey.pdf

Clinton is beating Trump by 12 points in that poll and the number of “other” and “Not sure” is higher than with Cruz and Clinton.

Based on national polls I’ve seen and now this state poll, Clinton is polling worse against Cruz and Trump than Sanders against Cruz or Trump. So who is easier to beat for the Republicans? Based on the polls, it’s Clinton. But Trump is polling badly against her in this Wisconsin poll.

All this talk about Cruz being too socially conservative or unelectable, well at this point he’s not polling badly against Clinton. Clinton is leading Cruz by 2.3 average on Real clear politics: realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_cruz_vs_clinton-4034.html
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Polls were saying it was a tight race between Clinton and Sanders in New York, and she won nearly 60/40. I think Sanders was truly surprised. Polls cannot be trusted; at best, they should be given just a modicum of credence. Much depends on how the poll was conducted.
 
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