Dave's Allegation That Catholics Are Idolators

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It would seem to me that this idea of Catholics worshipping idols must die out eventually. How many fundamentalist types went to see Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of the Christ”? Millions, as I recall. Now, what is a motion picture but a series of “idols” flashing across the screen to simulate motion to the human eye. Are the Fundalmentalists guilty of idol worshipping if the watch a religious movie like this, especially if they have an emotional and spiritual reaction? Were they guilty of worshipping Jim Cavizel or his prophet Mel while watching that movie? What is the difference between looking at a statue of Mary, or seeing her protrayed on the big screen? We Catholics know that art can raise you up toward God, which is why we have the most beautiful churches in the world (or at least we did, contemporary architecture is horrible, give me an old fashioned gothic church anyday). How long are they are they going to be able to use video media to promote their message and still claim that all graven images are against God?
 
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MaggieOH:
We need to keep to the topic and not get distracted as to why anyone has been suspended. It is enough to say that Ruth101 came here with an agenda, and in doing so she claimed to be a catholic but is in fact anti-Catholic.

So please let’s keep to the topic.

Oh and the worshippers of the KJV believe that the English translation dropped out of the sky:

“look up in the sky, is it a bird? Is it a plane? No it is the KJV being delivered by God.”

MaggieOH
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I did not mean to distract my friend from Sydney, I honestly do not know what it means to be suspended, as in does have anything to do with the post at hand? so no lecturing please, Australia is still a free country the last time I checked 😦
 
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Xavier:
graven images are not the gods themselves they are representations of those gods.
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This is also Bunk since that is not how the OT portrays them…they actually expected help from the idol itself…better have a look at the Book of Daniel…Oh wait…you don’t happen to have those chapters in your messed up abridged version of the Word of God. :crying: How very sad for you… Oh well…the Golden calf will certainly suffice to prove that you are wrong…again…and again…and again…
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Xavier:
I have answered most of this.
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With all due respect you didn’t answer any of it, I wish you would though. All I see here are evasions and ill-considered statements. I’m sure you can do better.
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Xavier:
To worship is to bow down. If our human spirit bows down to any thing, person or place then idolatry occurs.
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You are still stuck on the outward appearances “thing” and no; to worship is not always “to bow down”. What you are missing is the “why” someone is bowing. The “why” is the reason for everything. It is illogical to base a conclusion on only one set of results and not consider the entire body of evidence.

Here are some criteria I use in my daily life…

Practice what you preach; together testifies to a person’s integrity.

Faith and works; together testifies to a person’s justification.

In spirit and in truth; together testifies to a person’s genuine worship and love of God.

Words and deeds; together testifies to a person’s sincerity.

The words is bold are the witnesses. If they are not in agreement then they bear witness to hypocrisy.

Do you see that each one has an outward sign and one that is hidden? How then can you base a conclusion of an outward sign without knowing or even at least attempting to consider the inward hidden one? When in doubt ask.
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Xavier:
How can you attempt to correct?
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Again with all due respect; I did correct you, it’s the senseless part you haven’t come to terms with yet. I would much prefer that you “show cause”.
 
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Styree:
It would seem to me that this idea of Catholics worshipping idols must die out eventually. How many fundamentalist types went to see Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of the Christ”? Millions, as I recall. Now, what is a motion picture but a series of “idols” flashing across the screen to simulate motion to the human eye. Are the Fundalmentalists guilty of idol worshipping if the watch a religious movie like this, especially if they have an emotional and spiritual reaction? Were they guilty of worshipping Jim Cavizel or his prophet Mel while watching that movie? What is the difference between looking at a statue of Mary, or seeing her protrayed on the big screen? We Catholics know that art can raise you up toward God, which is why we have the most beautiful churches in the world (or at least we did, contemporary architecture is horrible, give me an old fashioned gothic church anyday). How long are they are they going to be able to use video media to promote their message and still claim that all graven images are against God?
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:amen: That was well said, Styree 👍
 
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MaggieOH:
If he belongs to:

The Baptists
The Fundamentalist Baptists
The various forms of Pentecostal,
Church of Christ
Church of the Nazarene
Hillsong
Assemblies of God

or any other of the thousands of variations then he might just be right. The KJV came before the existence of all of these denominations. However, the KJV, being an English translation of the manuscripts that make up Scripture, did not come before the beginning of the Church that was started by Jesus Christ. The canon of Scripture for both Old and New Testaments did not exist at that point.

MaggieOH
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Good Call… He belongs to an Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Church (bet you didn’t see that one comming). I’m not sure of the time table he was working with, but I got the impression he was talking about around 80a.d. for the complete bible as he knows it. I know it sounds crazy, but it is true none-the-less.
 
In answer in Xavier’s (such a good Catholic name) about worshipping whatever we bow too, does that mean upon walking into a court room we worship the magistrate or Judge? The millions of Japanese who’s polite and respectful way of welcome is to bow to one another, Japan must be a fun place with everyone worshipping everybody else!!
silly…
 
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CreosMary:
In answer in Xavier’s (such a good Catholic name) about worshipping whatever we bow too, does that mean upon walking into a court room we worship the magistrate or Judge? The millions of Japanese who’s polite and respectful way of welcome is to bow to one another, Japan must be a fun place with everyone worshipping everybody else!!
silly…
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:clapping: Hehehe, there ya go. I read your post and I thought… OMG! They do bow in welcome and when they leave to! Anyway I’m sure nobody in Japan questions the reasons for bowing.
 
We Catholics know that art can raise you up toward God
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Excellent point.
Who put that love of beauty in our hearts?
Why would He put that love of beauty in our hearts only to tell us not to make beautiful things?
Why would He be insulted when beautiful things are created to give Him honor and to remind us of Him?

I personally think it is VERY SILLY to believe that God, our heavenly Father, would want us to refrain from creating beauty!

How many parents here would scold their children for handing them a picture they drew?
 
Hi

Was oudave banned because some might be affraid he is right?

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DCOCB:
Hi

Was oudave banned because some might be affraid he is right?

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Welcome back Dave.

Peace
 
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Wildgraywolf:
Good Call… He belongs to an Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Church (bet you didn’t see that one comming). I’m not sure of the time table he was working with, but I got the impression he was talking about around 80a.d. for the complete bible as he knows it. I know it sounds crazy, but it is true none-the-less.
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In that case he better throw out any Bible he possesses that has a New Testament. The people who met at Jamnia did not accept the manuscripts of the Christians as Scripture.

Maggie
 
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DCOCB:
Hi

Was oudave banned because some might be affraid he is right?

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Hello poster #1
First time I have heard of Dave being banned, the fact is he never appears to respond to his posts.
Dont worry my friend, none of us are afraid of the truth… built into the Holy Roman Catholic Church!
I fear it may be Dave who is afraid to answer his respondee’s posts.
Welcome and enjoy
God bless and Mary protect you always 👋
 
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CreosMary:
I did not mean to distract my friend from Sydney, I honestly do not know what it means to be suspended, as in does have anything to do with the post at hand? so no lecturing please, Australia is still a free country the last time I checked 😦
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Mary,

and just guess where I was born? smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_6.gif

No offence was taken Mary. It is just that there has been an invasion recently of people who have come into the forum not to learn but to tell Catholics what they believe according to their agenda. We do try and keep them out of harm’s way if you know what I mean. Some of them try coming back after suspension under a new name but they give themselves away and the moderators will soon hear of it and they will get suspended again. It would seem that Dave does not understand that to try that tactic will not win any friends. He is here to try and hijack the thread. That is why I sounded so tough.

MaggieOH
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MaggieOH:
Mary,

and just guess where I was born? smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_6.gif

No offence was taken Mary. It is just that there has been an invasion recently of people who have come into the forum not to learn but to tell Catholics what they believe according to their agenda. We do try and keep them out of harm’s way if you know what I mean. Some of them try coming back after suspension under a new name but they give themselves away and the moderators will soon hear of it and they will get suspended again. It would seem that Dave does not understand that to try that tactic will not win any friends. He is here to try and hijack the thread. That is why I sounded so tough.

MaggieOH
(Carn the Saints)
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We do not worship statues! Maggie I love you and forgive me for this temporary hijack.Please pray for Terri Schiavo the court denied the stay :crying: STARVATION starts at 1:00 tomorrow:crying: Pray,email do what ever you can.God Bless
 
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MaggieOH:
Mary,

and just guess where I was born? smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_6.gif

No offence was taken Mary. It is just that there has been an invasion recently of people who have come into the forum not to learn but to tell Catholics what they believe according to their agenda. We do try and keep them out of harm’s way if you know what I mean. Some of them try coming back after suspension under a new name but they give themselves away and the moderators will soon hear of it and they will get suspended again. It would seem that Dave does not understand that to try that tactic will not win any friends. He is here to try and hijack the thread. That is why I sounded so tough.

MaggieOH
(Carn the Saints)
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No offence taken and thank you for explanation, it appears that Dave has reappeared as, Oh? what was it now DCBOC or something like that just a few posts back. I will ask the moderators what “suspended” means.
The saints will get no where (not the ones in Heaven)
C’mon Tigers
 
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CreosMary:
No offence taken and thank you for explanation, it appears that Dave has reappeared as, Oh? what was it now DCBOC or something like that just a few posts back. I will ask the moderators what “suspended” means.
The saints will get no where (not the ones in Heaven)
C’mon Tigers
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Sorry its Brother CreosMary (masculine)
 
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CreosMary:
No offence taken and thank you for explanation, it appears that Dave has reappeared as, Oh? what was it now DCBOC or something like that just a few posts back. I will ask the moderators what “suspended” means.
The saints will get no where (not the ones in Heaven)
C’mon Tigers
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Touche!!

That was the Tasmanian tigers was it not? I thought that they did not exist any longer smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_6.gif

Everyone else, this conversation is a perfect example of other forms of idolatry. I have followed the St. Kilda Aussie Rules football club for the past 46 years. The people in Victoria are mad about their football. In fact the current Archbishop of Sydney, Cardinal George Pell almost made it into the Richmond Football team (Tigers to everyone else). During the football season you will hear the odd remark from the pulpit about one’s favourite team, and the Bishops in Australia are no exception.

Australians take their football so seriously that coming from Melbourne to Sydney brings with it some serious derision. Like how could anyone watch aerial ping pong instead of thugby (er that should be Rugby). The people go along to the football parks on the weekend and they scream and shout for their favourite team.

Anyone not familiar with this type of thing would think that Aussies are a very idolatrous nation because of the way we love our football.

So, anyone who calls a Catholic an idolator should have a good look at their own activities. Do they go along to a building that is called a church where a big sound system has been set up and there are bleachers instead of pews, and instead of a service that gives praise to God there is a rock band (oops I mean a Christian music band) that comes on stage and when they begin to play and some woman by the name of Darlene begins to sing the arms are raised in the air and everyone sways to the music, giving adulation to the performer on the stage.

MaggieOH
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
We do not worship statues! Maggie I love you and forgive me for this temporary hijack.Please pray for Terri Schiavo the court denied the stay :crying: STARVATION starts at 1:00 tomorrow:crying: Pray,email do what ever you can.God Bless
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May God’s justice be done to those who have prevented treatment to Terri Schiavo
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