I think if you put Calvinism in the same position as Mormonism, you are not in line with the Magestrium.
It seems many Catholics cannot discern their own Catholic Faith? According to official Catholic dogma, who are your brothers in Christ, Mormons or Protestants? I find your posting to be very very sad, causing division in the body of Christ. I thought good Catholics obey the Magestrium?Some people when they find that they have no winning arguments left, instead of “repenting” and acknowledging the truth, they try to drive the other side out of the board by unfair means, and deny him (or her) the opportunity to argue or present his or her case. That is dishonest, dishonorable, and amounts to cheating and foul play. That is typical Evangelical/Protestant/Calvinist/Reformed/Baptist behavior – so I have noticed.
Why do you separate Evangelicals and Catholics? We are really one in spiritual reality. Even the Catholic Catechism verfies that Evangelicals are brothers in Christ. I don’t think Catholics believe in the Mormon gospel, nor do they believe that Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God. What is your true agenda on this Christian Forum site? When I discuss things with Mormons on this site, I am defending the Christian Faith where Catholics and Evangelicals are one.
I do not separate them. They separated themselves—long ago.
My agenda is to discuss the gospel, answer questions about Mormonism, and prevent people like you from misrepresenting it.
Mormon baptism is not considered valid by the Catholic Church because Mormons don’t accept the Trinity.
Mormons consider historical Christianity to be Apostate, therefore there is an element of truth in what you say. From our perspective, Mormonism is the only true form of Christianity; therefore your statement from our point of view would translate into: “I do not consider true Christianity to be one with Apostate Christianity;” and of course there is an element of truth in that.
Thank you for the official answer. Many Catholics are not able to discern who are considered your brothers in Christ from those who are not considered to be your brothers in Christ according to the Catholic Catechism. Maybe some Catholics need to read their Bible and the Catechism too… just kidding bro. You have been great, but a few on this site are quite irrational in their postings.
I think you are right. The more Catholics reading their bibles and catechism, the less irrational posts by Catholics we would have. CAF serves at least as many Catholics as it does non-Catholics!
I agree that many Catholics don’t understand their faith.
I think the orthodox Catholic Faith to be very good in regards to its overall doctrine. Many Protestants are responding to what they hear from lay Catholics that they know. However, many lay Catholics do not represent official Catholic teaching. Therefore, Protestants tend to over-react to what is usually not the official Catholic belief on a topic. I can understand why some grounded Protestants are now Catholic. However, I think it’s an over-reaction from the problems of Protestantism.
It is interesting to read this perspective. I have always thought the Reformation was an over reaction to the behavior problems of European Roman Catholic clerics.
There was a movement that came out of a Reformed circles about 6 years ago, which went beyonnd Reformed distinctives. The movement had a few nicknames. One of the nickname to this sub group was called a Catholic Calvinism.It is interesting to read this perspective. I have always thought the Reformation was an over reaction to the behavior problems of European Roman Catholic clerics.
I still believe that the Reformation was caused by God.The Catholic Church, and especially the clerical establishment, was indeed very corrupt at the time of the Reformation. Luther’s rebellion had a justifiable cause from that point of view. But then he went off the beaten track, and introduced serious heresies that took Protestantism down a blind alley and in a wrong direction. His most serious heresy was “justification by faith alone without works,” followed by his rejection of most Catholic sacraments, and the requirement of an ordained priesthood. It had one desirable outcome from the Catholic point of view, however, and that was providing the impetus for a genuine reform of the Catholic Church, which came into effect with the Council of Trent. Whether the Catholic Church would have conducted that reform without the impetus of the Protestant revolt, one can never know for sure.It is interesting to read this perspective. I have always thought the Reformation was an over reaction to the behavior problems of European Roman Catholic clerics.
The Reformation was not caused by God. Nothing good came out of the Reformation that was meant to be good. Any good that came out of it, came in spite of it, not because of it. God has His own ways of making good to come out of the evil actions of others. One obvious good was the genuine reform of the Catholic Church, as mentioned in my previous post. I will tell you another good thing that came out of the Reformation. It indirectly led to the establishment of a government in the United States that separated religion from government, and guaranteed religious freedom for all citizens, thus paving the way for the Restoration of the Gospel. The Restoration could not have taken place in continental Europe, because the necessary religious freedoms did not exist to facilitate it. Religion was used as a tool of politics, and religious descent of various kinds was repressed. The Constitution of the United States was set up by people who had known religious persecution in Europe and had escaped from it; and they had a keen interest in ensuring that government would remain separate from religion; and that the religious freedoms of the citizens would not be trampled upon by a government that favored one particular religion over another. That indeed came from God, and provided the right environment in which the Restoration of the gospel in the last days could take place. God moves in mysterious ways, His wonders to perform!There was a movement that came out of a Reformed circles about 6 years ago, which went beyonnd Reformed distinctives. The movement had a few nicknames. One of the nickname to this sub group was called a Catholic Calvinism.
Well, this is why I spend so much time here. I learn something new every day!There was a movement that came out of a Reformed circles about 6 years ago, which went beyonnd Reformed distinctives. The movement had a few nicknames. One of the nickname to this sub group was called a Catholic Calvinism.
Of course you would have to, otherwise you would not be able to cling to the fruits of it. It is similar to Catholics calling the Fall of Adam “oh necessary sin of Adam”.