Democratic convention

[_Abyssinia]

“Still a few Catholics”? It is likely that a majority of people identifying themselves as Catholics will vote for Obama.

Of course, many folk on CA Forums would define anyone who votes for Obama as a non-Catholic, so by that logic no (true) Catholics will vote for Obama.

In neither case will “a few” Catholics vote for Obama

Gallup’s daily tracking poll, taken from July 30 to Aug. 19, showed Mr. Romney with a slight edge among registered voters who are Catholic

nytimes.com/2012/08/25/us/politics/cardinal-dolans-convention-role-shows-gops-push-for-catholic-vote.html

American Life League commissioned a nationwide telephone survey of 900 self-identified Catholic registered voters — an August 15-19 poll conducted by ccAdvertising, a polling firm based in Centreville, Virginia. The polling firm gives the margin of error as +/- 3 percent. The focus of the survey was Catholic perspectives on the Church and nation.

Only 27 percent of the Catholics surveyed support President Obama. Of those surveyed, 74 percent of Catholic men over the age of 50 do not support Obama, while Obama support among Catholic men under 50 years is only 25 percent. With Catholic women over the age of 50, the president’s support is only 23 percent, with just 31 percent among Catholic women under 50 years

lifenews.com/2012/08/23/poll-obama-losing-more-support-among-catholic-voters

 

[Riverton_Grammy]

Worthwhile to do the same at the RNC unless there is some reason to believe that there are no wayward souls among the Republicans.

We are all wayward souls. Thankfully, many of us do not support the murder of innocent babies. Of all the things I have to answer for in my life, I am happy to say that isn’t among them. I wish that were true of all of us.

 

[Riverton_Grammy]

At least it is true to say that Romney is rich. It is untrue to suggest that Obama is foreign-born, Muslim, socialist, or hates America, but we’ve heard lots of that from the Republican side. Both sides are running pretty ugly negative campaigns.

Actually both Obama and Romney are quite wealthy. The way Romney made his money is fairly well known, and while much has been made of those companies they couldn’t save, his work did result in jobs for lots of other people, as well as many other benefits to others. Obama made his money writing books about himself. Quite a contrast.

 

[Tighty_Whitey]

At least it is true to say that Romney is rich. It is untrue to suggest that Obama is foreign-born, Muslim, socialist, or hates America, but we’ve heard lots of that from the Republican side. Both sides are running pretty ugly negative campaigns.

Is it untrue to suggest:

Obama is foreign-born - There’s a lot of debate about this topic. I mostly agree with you. The fact that settled the matter for me was his birth announcement having been published in a newspaper in Hawaii in the days after his birth. Obama did foster this mystery though and in many ways he made his bed on this issue. Just don’t understand why so much about his is a secret.

Obama is a Muslim - I personally believe that Obama isn’t a Muslim. If others want to accuse him of this I really can’t disprove it.

Obama is a Socialist - Yes Obama is a Socialist and truly wants to redistribute wealth in this country. Absolutely, Obama is a Socialist. Obama frequently gives speeches that he stresses the importance of the “collective”. The classic, “You didn’t build that!” blunder. One need only look behind the policies of the Federal Reserve should Obama win re-election and their natianalization of several industries that this administration has beaten down so the government can buy them a distressed prices.

Obama hates America - This a very broad statement. There are several aspects of America that are unique identifying aspects of America that one would expect the President of the United States to LOVE, but Obama hates many of our pillars and our institutions. Since this is a very long list I’ll just stick with the U.S. Constitution, a document he absolutely hates. I am a lawyer and I know the cloth from which Obama has been cut. I have known this well before his election in 2008. He is cut from a scholl of thought that was/is popular in Chicago that is very deconstructionist. (a look at the past 4 years bears witness to that). This school believes that anything and everything to do with our Constitution has to be destroyed as our Constitution permited slavery and therefore it is an invalid Constitution. Never mind the Civil War, Civil Rights movement, etc. none of that matters one iota since African Americans did not and could not participate in the creation of the Constitution.

I for one would love a debate on whether we should have a new constitution, but Obama has completely hidden his agenda and has taken so many actions that are extra-constitutional that it is clear what he is doing. Certainly he would lose a lot of support if he campaigned on the platform, “Hey let’s get rid of the Constitution”.

So I will definitely continue to claim that Obama is a Socialist and that he HATES America.

Peace, g.

 

[LisaA]

Is it untrue to suggest:

Obama is foreign-born - There’s a lot of debate about this topic. I mostly agree with you. The fact that settled the matter for me was his birth announcement having been published in a newspaper in Hawaii in the days after his birth. Obama did foster this mystery though and in many ways he made his bed on this issue. Just don’t understand why so much about his is a secret.

Obama is a Muslim - I personally believe that Obama isn’t a Muslim. If others want to accuse him of this I really can’t disprove it.

Obama is a Socialist - Yes Obama is a Socialist and truly wants to redistribute wealth in this country. Absolutely, Obama is a Socialist. Obama frequently gives speeches that he stresses the importance of the “collective”. The classic, “You didn’t build that!” blunder. One need only look behind the policies of the Federal Reserve should Obama win re-election and their natianalization of several industries that this administration has beaten down so the government can buy them a distressed prices.

Obama hates America - This a very broad statement. There are several aspects of America that are unique identifying aspects of America that one would expect the President of the United States to LOVE, but Obama hates many of our pillars and our institutions. Since this is a very long list I’ll just stick with the U.S. Constitution, a document he absolutely hates. I am a lawyer and I know the cloth from which Obama has been cut. I have known this well before his election in 2008. He is cut from a scholl of thought that was/is popular in Chicago that is very deconstructionist. (a look at the past 4 years bears witness to that). This school believes that anything and everything to do with our Constitution has to be destroyed as our Constitution permited slavery and therefore it is an invalid Constitution. Never mind the Civil War, Civil Rights movement, etc. none of that matters one iota since African Americans did not and could not participate in the creation of the Constitution.

I for one would love a debate on whether we should have a new constitution, but Obama has completely hidden his agenda and has taken so many actions that are extra-constitutional that it is clear what he is doing. Certainly he would lose a lot of support if he campaigned on the platform, “Hey let’s get rid of the Constitution”.

So I will definitely continue to claim that Obama is a Socialist and that he HATES America.

Peace, g.

Great post thank you! I appreciate your insight, particularly with respect to the Constitutional issues. I can’t quite get my head wrapped around the whole birther issue. I do think he’s hiding something in his college records that might have been a deal killer in 08 but by now…well who cares about that with 8+% unemployment, a stagnant economy, an exploding Middle East and a debacle in Afghanistan. Pales in comparison.

He HATES the Constitution…it puts limits on his desires to remake the country. Have you heard his latest crusade…a Constitutional Amendment to overturn Citizens United. Again here we are in a horrible financial situation and he’s worried about advertising by the “wrong” group? PUH LEASE. Add that to his Executive Orders, “recess” appointments that weren’t and his defiance of judicial orders and you have the Imperial President.

As to the Muslim question, I think his time in Indonesia made him sympathetic with Muslims and attributes to them far more angelic qualities than I think they deserve. I don’t think he’s a Christian at heart either. I think he joined the Wright Church by his own admission to enhance his black cred and to make contacts. He certainly doesn’t model Christ in his attitude or actions.

Thanks again for the thoughtful post. Lots to think about and ponder!
Lisa

 

[Tighty_Whitey]

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He HATES the Constitution…it puts limits on his desires to remake the country. Have you heard his latest crusade…a Constitutional Amendment to overturn Citizens United. Again here we are in a horrible financial situation and he’s worried about advertising by the “wrong” group? PUH LEASE. Add that to his Executive Orders, “recess” appointments that weren’t and his defiance of judicial orders and you have the Imperial President.

Thank you for your kind words. I think you’ve really nailed it with this new crusade about Citizens United. What a surprise Obama wants to curtail a group’s freedom of speech.

I am hopeful that the election will help America get back on track and result in our religious freedoms being safeguarded.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Pro-Lifers Place 3,300 Flowers at Democrat Convention for Abortion Victims

Pro-life advocates tomorrow will place 3,300 flowers in front of the Time Warner Arena and conduct a prayer vigil to remember the victims of abortion, which the Democratic party strongly supports.

Brice Griffin, of America Defend Life, says the 3,300 flowers represent the number of innocent children that are aborted every day in America and the number of women who are daily bruised and diminished through abortion.

The prayer service and laying of flowers will be on Friday, Aug. 31, at 6:30 P.M. The location of the event is the Time Warner Arena public sidewalk on 333 E. Trade St. facing the EpiCentre. Members of “America Defend Life” will also be holding a demonstration and prayer gathering in front of Planned Parenthood on Saturday.

Griffin said the flowers are a way to try to make it clear to President Obama and the Democratic Party that they should end the violence of abortion and embrace human rights and justice for all.

“We are humbled to be able to offer a visual and symbolic expression of the damage caused by abortion in our country every day. At the same time, we are praying for the women and their children who have been bruised,” he said. “Abortion is the real war on women, and it is our hope that through peaceful and prayerful witness we can educate America on the truth that drives Planned Parenthood and their child-killing business.”

Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney, Director of the Christian Defense Coalition in Washington, D.C. and one of the organizers of the event, also talked about it.

“Abortion has now become one of the central issues in the race for the White House in 2012. We are laying these flowers and praying in front of the Time Warner Arena to remind President Obama and the nation that all life has dignity and purpose and the violence and brutality of abortion in America must come to an end,” he said.

“The real ‘War on Women’ is the violence directed toward mothers and their children by organizations like Planned Parenthood who perform over 330,000 abortions yearly at that their clinics,” he added. “Our witness at the DNC and to President Obama is simple yet profound. President Obama please embrace human rights and equality for all and end this tragic ‘War on Women’ through abortion.”

lifenews.com/2012/08/30/pro-lifers-place-3300-flowers-at-democrat-convention-for-abortion-victims

 

[Erich]

At least it is true to say that Romney is rich. It is untrue to suggest that Obama is foreign-born…

No matter what you personally may or may not believe about where Obama was born, the inescapable fact is that Obama lied about his place of birth. Either he lied about being born in Kenya (prior to 2007), or he’s lying now about being born in Hawaii; clearly he was not born in both places.

I do think he’s hiding something in his college records that might have been a deal killer in 08

You mean, like, whether he was using a Foreign Passport to get and prove his foreign student status for entrance into Occidental College, Columbia, and later Harvard Universities? If that’s in his college records, that would be a deal killer in '12 as well.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

No matter what you personally may or may not believe about where Obama was born, the inescapable fact is that Obama lied about his place of birth. Either he lied about being born in Kenya (prior to 2007), or he’s lying now about being born in Hawaii; clearly he was not born in both places.

How could he lie about being born in Kenya? He never claimed that he was born there.

 

[oldcelt]

How could he lie about being born in Kenya? He never claimed that he was born there.

RICH,

Again with those troublesome facts. For shame!

John

 

[threedogday]

RICH,

Again with those troublesome facts. For shame!

John

sigh

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

RICH,

Again with those troublesome facts. For shame!

John

John,

has the President released his short form college transcripts yet?

 

[oldcelt]

has the President released his short form college transcripts yet?

Not to my knowledge,does that have something to do with his birth?

John

 

[Erich]

How could he lie about being born in Kenya? He never claimed that he was born there.

From this link:

A literary agent’s promotional text for a 1991 brochure states Obama was “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”
…

• Despite claiming the passage about Obama’s birthplace being Kenya was a mistake, the listing still maintained that Obama’s birthplace was Kenya until after Obama became a U.S. Senator. “Goderich’s statement fails to explain why the “fact checking error” persisted for sixteen years, through at least three different versions of Jane Dystel’s website, and through at least four different versions of Obama’s biography,” reports Breitbart.com.
• The literary agency also updated the text in June 1998, but the part about Obama being born in Kenya was retained.
• The text was again updated in February 2005 to reflect the fact that Obama had become a Senator, but Kenya was still listed as his birthplace.
• After an April 2007 modification of the text, the passage still read Obama, “was born in Kenya.”
• As Steve Boman reveals, the Dystel & Goderich agency asks its clients to submit their own biography, meaning it’s virtually impossible the listing of Obama’s birthplace as Kenya could have been a “fact checking error” on behalf of the literary company itself.
• During a speech about HIV, First Lady Michelle Obama said she and Barack Obama “visited his home country of Kenya.”

In fact, googling [michelle says barack’s home country is kenya] turns up 39,300 hits.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Not to my knowledge,does that have something to do with his birth?

John

In a manner of speaking. This president tends to play into the real or imagined concerns of people who are interested in his official documents. In the case of his transcripts, he has spent millions preventing their release. Now, I doubt that there is anything earth shattering in them, but his refusal to release them does beg the question: why not?

 

[oldcelt]

Now, I doubt that there is anything earth shattering in them, but his refusal to release them does beg the question: why not?

Actually, I agree…question, and I truly do not know the answer…has Romney released his college transcripts?

John

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Actually, I agree…question, and I truly do not know the answer…has Romney released his college transcripts?

John

I believe so, but am by no means positive.

 

[LisaA]

You mean, like, whether he was using a Foreign Passport to get and prove his foreign student status for entrance into Occidental College, Columbia, and later Harvard Universities? If that’s in his college records, that would be a deal killer in '12 as well.

I hadn’t thought of that. I figured he’d just used his race or some other affirmative action claim like “Princess Running Mouth” in Massachusetts. In 08 had we found out our future President was a self described dope smoking slacker who’d gotten admission to Occidental on some kind of false claim he might have had difficulty convincing us he could be trusted on other matters. Of course we found out that answer too late.

Lisa

 

[Riverton_Grammy]

I hadn’t thought of that. I figured he’d just used his race or some other affirmative action claim like “Princess Running Mouth” in Massachusetts. In 08 had we found out our future President was a self described dope smoking slacker who’d gotten admission to Occidental on some kind of false claim he might have had difficulty convincing us he could be trusted on other matters. Of course we found out that answer too late.

Lisa

I have also read that Obama visited Pakistan during a time period (in the '80’s I think) when a US Passport couldn’t take you to Pakistan, so he used the passport of another country…

 

[Alan55]

You base the likeliness that a majority of Catholics will vote for Obama on…?

His attack on the Church to practice freely?

There are several posters on this very board who, while they will not vote for Romney, are unable to vote for Obama for the HHS mandate and other items that are a violation of not just the Catholic faith, but other people of conscience.

I am interested to see how the Democratic convention goes. I’m not sure what the approach or focus will be. Gone are the empty platitudes of “Yes we can!”, as the campaing has gone strictly negative. President Obama certainly can’t run on his record (unless he is running away from it, ha!).

What does that leave them?

I’m guessing we’ll get a lot of “things would be worse if the other guys were in charge”, with some scare tactics to seniors, union members, and college students sprinkled in.

Numerous sources report that Obama got some 54% of the Catholic vote in the 2008 election. The last poll I saw (May 2012) indicated that Obama was supported by about 50% of Catholic voters:

gallup.com/poll/154430/catholics-presidential-pick-differs-ethnicity-religiosity.aspx

I realize that was three months ago, so I’d welcome more recent poll numbers, although I’m not sure whether polling will track will with the actual vote. We’ll all see.

As for the Democratic National Convention, I would expect that the major talking points would include:

• Our nation’s recovery after the greatest world-wide financial disaster since the Great Depression;
• The end of the war in Iraq and withdrawal of our forces from Afghanistan. These wars cost us more than 6,500 American lives and more than 96,000 wounded. In 2008, we had as many as 187,900 troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. We have already spent between $2.4 and 2.7 trillion, and by the end of these wars, it is estimated that we will have spent $3.7 trillion.
• Passage of the Affordable Care Act, which ensured that tens of millions more Americans will have health insurance and ended a number of abuses by insurance companies.

Those would be my top three.