Democratic convention

[He_Man]

Here’s one…it was a phenomenally stupid move…both times…taking it out, though such language is unnecessary, and taking it out.

That being said, I think Ole Bill made most, not all, of the delegates forget all about it. Kind of like Ann Romney and a few others soothed some, not all ruffled Republican feathers.

At least these floor fights added some suspense to two otherwise boring conventions.

John

I agree, and that is fine. I don’t think anything in these conventions will have major impacts long term, but to claim the roll call and who changing the paltform on the fly was not a big deal is silly.

 

[ringil]

Unfortunately, those “radical fringe elements” are becoming the mainstream.

I hope you are wrong.

It’s the evangelicals. I blame them for much of the problems in the GOP.

I think it might be better if they could be given their own country to run as they wish.

 

[irishpatrick]

Here’s one…it was a phenomenally stupid move…both times…taking it out, though such language is unnecessary, and taking it out.

That being said, I think Ole Bill made most, not all, of the delegates forget all about it. Kind of like Ann Romney and a few others soothed some, not all ruffled Republican feathers.

At least these floor fights added some suspense to two otherwise boring conventions.

John

I agree, Clinton made those in the hall forget the debacle. However, the real video and audio is being discussed and played many times today. The truth is, there were more no’s than yes’s, and yet the change was still made. People are not stupid and that is being discusse far more than Clinton’s speech.

 

[He_Man]

I agree, Clinton made those in the hall forget the debacle. However, the real video and audio is being discussed and played many times today. The truth is, there were more no’s than yes’s, and yet the change was still made. People are not stupid and that is being discusse far more than Clinton’s speech.

That’s my point. It is getting more replay already, simply because it was like 90 seconds, versus 48 minutes.

 

[buffalo]

It was indeed a masterful speech and a substantive one too. The fact-checkers are going to be busy tonight!

Bill Clinton: A good lawyer defending a guilty client

You could see all the rhetorical sleights of hand, the magic of a delivery, the wit of the argument, the sarcastic sallies against the other side. All of that was in former President Bill Clinton’s speech at the Democratic Convention on Wednesday night. But it was clear, as he spoke, that his client was guilty of being a very bad president who has accomplished very little.

President Clinton’s record is by now so well known that each of us was silently mouthing to ourselves as he spoke about the contrast between his record and Obama’s. “We face a long hard slog to recovery” he intoned. But we remembered how he created six million new net jobs right after he took office (by the end of 1994). “We need to lay a solid foundation for a future economy,” he said. But we all realized that Obama has increased the debt by six trillion dollars. Hardly a solid foundation. When Clinton criticized the Republicans for doubling the debt after his administration left office, we all said to ourselves “and Obama tripled it."

The low point of Clinton’s speech was when he boldly charged into the fray – like the charge of the light brigade – and said that we are better off today than we were four years ago! Four years ago, with the US unemployment rate at just 6 percent, was worse than today with 8.3 percent? Four years ago, with just a $10 trillion debt, it was somehow not as good as today with a $16 trillion debt? Clinton’s arguments were obviously inadequate and sought to do something that cannot be done: speaking positively of Obama’s record.

In his obvious inability to win the argument, Clinton showed us how weak it is. As he recited his statistics, we came to understand how hollow they are. Is this all he can say about Obama’s record we all asked?

Read more: foxnews.com/opinion/2012/…#ixzz25hTGNQHe

 

[oldcelt]

In his obvious inability to win the argument, Clinton showed us how weak it is. As he recited his statistics, we came to understand how hollow they are. Is this all he can say about Obama’s record we all asked?

Only time will tell.
BTW, Fox may want to do a little fact checking in reference to the unemployment rate, unless they want to make the extremely weak argument that Clinton meant specifically Sept of 2008.

Even then it was about 6’2% and about to take a serious climb. And I know they don’t want to defend Jan. 2009.

John

 

[buffalo]

Only time will tell.

John

The salient question:

Will America be better off with more people on government assistance or less? That is the measure of success.

Reports say roughly 100million of 320 million are on some sort of federal assistance (excluding SS). Should we be aiming for 150 million?

 

[Carlan]

I presume that the Democratic Party at least hopes that Catholics don’t vote in accord with the Church’s position on abortion. And yet the party has made its unlimited abortion position so central that no divergence is allowed. So it also hopes that the pro-abortion contingent will vote based on this one issue.

It remains a remarkable feat of prestidigitation to me that the Democratic Party has managed to transform itself into the Party of Abortion without attracting undue attention to the fact

The same could be said about the GOP for its transformation into the party of non-concern for social justice, The Party of Greed. There are serious wrongs in the platforms of both Parties.
Peace, Carlan

 

[mary_bobo]

The same could be said about the GOP for its transformation into the party of non-concern for social justice, The Party of Greed. There are serious wrongs in the platforms of both Parties.
Peace, Carlan

Because one party does not agree with another on how to fix a problem does not make them “non-concerned”. We cannot continue to spend money that is not there and changes will have to be made. You will never convince me that Republicans do not care for the poor.

 

[SamH]

The same could be said about the GOP for its transformation into the party of non-concern for social justice, The Party of Greed. There are serious wrongs in the platforms of both Parties.
Peace, Carlan

Who advocated greed? As for “social justice” how does that one make that claim with 1/3 of the population living off the seized assets in the form of blood sweat and tears of the working 1/3 of the population?

 

[oldcelt]

Will America be better off with more people on government assistance or less? That is the measure of success.

Reports say roughly 100million of 320 million are on some sort of federal assistance (excluding SS). Should we be aiming for 150 million?

The answer to your questions is obvious. My salient question are who is most likely to improve that, and how will they do it?

John

 

[Carlan]

Because one party does not agree with another on how to fix a problem does not make them “non-concerned”. We cannot continue to spend money that is not there and changes will have to be made. You will never convince me that Republicans do not care for the poor.

Just as you will never convince me that all Dems are Pro-Choice.
Just as you will never convince me all Republicans are Pro-Life.
Just as you will never convince me cutting taxes to our bare bones will save us.


Peace,Carlan

 

[Cider]

Well, ~1/2 of their radical fringe booed God and Jerusalem today, but I guess they haven’t completely taken over because the chair ruled that they were less than 1/3.

Yes, after three votes and him standing up there looking like now what do I do and being told to just read the teleprompter and override the votes.

The over riding of democracy on tape for all the world to see.

 

[JimG]

I hope you are wrong.

It’s the evangelicals. I blame them for much of the problems in the GOP.

I think it might be better if they could be given their own country to run as they wish.

The problem is, control of the Democratic Party has already been seized by the radical pro-abortion left. Evangelicals, indeed, any pro-life person, has nowhere else to go. Certainly they can not in conscience support a party which is so fiercely pro-abortion, and now pro-same sex marriage, and now also, pro limiting religious freedom. It took a lot of doing for the Dems to force Evangelicals into union with Catholics.

 

[Corki]

The problem is, control of the Democratic Party has already been seized by the radical pro-abortion left. Evangelicals, indeed, any pro-life person, has nowhere else to go. Certainly they can not in conscience support a party which is so fiercely pro-abortion, and now pro-same sex marriage, and now also, pro limiting religious freedom. It took a lot of doing for the Dems to force Evangelicals into union with Catholics.

Indeed. I think the little fracas over the platform ammendment showed that very clearly. The pro-God and pro-Israel part of the Democratic party seemed to be in the minority of convention delegates but I believe they are the majority of people who align with the Democratic party. There is a serious disconnect.

 

[buffalo]

Indeed. I think the little fracas over the platform ammendment showed that very clearly. The pro-God and pro-Israel part of the Democratic party seemed to be in the minority of convention delegates but I believe they are the majority of people who align with the Democratic party. There is a serious disconnect.

Step 1 - remove God - see reaction
Step 2 - add Allah - see reaction

 

[ringil]

Who advocated greed? As for “social justice” how does that one make that claim with 1/3 of the population living off the seized assets in the form of blood sweat and tears of the working 1/3 of the population?

“blood, sweat, and tears”, “seizing”.

Nice to know that some of us aren’t to fiercely defensive of our money. You know my wife and I don’t mind our money going to help people.

 

[irishpatrick]

That’s my point. It is getting more replay already, simply because it was like 90 seconds, versus 48 minutes.

Yes, and also because more than half of the people responding did so with a no.

 

[Havard]

You know my wife and I don’t mind our money going to help people.

Lol, come on now…

I know you don’t agree with the conservative philosophy, but it’s misleading to insinuate that it’s anti-charity.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Ad Exposing Obama’s Infanticide Support to Run During DNC Speech

lifenews.com/2012/09/06/ad-exposing-obamas-infanticide-support-to-run-during-dnc-speech
PHOTO: Teleprompter Already Affirmed Two-Thirds Majority Before ‘God, Jerusalem’ Platform Vote Ever Taken

foxnewsinsider.com/2012/09/05/photo-teleprompter-already-affirmed-two-thirds-majority-before-god-jerusalem-platform-vote-ever-taken
Forecast: 0% chance of rain for Obama’s speech

breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/06/zero-percent-chance-of-rain-for-obamas-speech
DNC stil guys pro Israe language

breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/06/Democratic-Party-platform-still-excises-pro-Israel-language
Obama Aides Throw Platform Chairs Strickland And Booker Under The Bus On Jerusalem

youtube.com/watch?v=9Hl0isFgeOM
Obama advisors don’t expect big bounce in polls

hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CVN_OBAMA_EXPECTATIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-06-08-24-13
Our Clinton Nightmare

factcheck.org/2012/09/our-clinton-nightmare